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  • Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     OP - February 27, 2010, 11:02 AM

    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/index.html?hpt=C1

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    Political, religious and sexual behaviors may be reflections of intelligence, a new study finds.

    Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.

    The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say. But they show how certain patterns of identifying with particular ideologies develop, and how some people's behaviors come to be.

    The reasoning is that sexual exclusivity in men, liberalism and atheism all go against what would be expected given humans' evolutionary past. In other words, none of these traits would have benefited our early human ancestors, but higher intelligence may be associated with them.

    "The adoption of some evolutionarily novel ideas makes some sense in terms of moving the species forward," said George Washington University leadership professor James Bailey, who was not involved in the study. "It also makes perfect sense that more intelligent people -- people with, sort of, more intellectual firepower -- are likely to be the ones to do that."

    Bailey also said that these preferences may stem from a desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ. In fact, aligning oneself with "unconventional" philosophies such as liberalism or atheism may be "ways to communicate to everyone that you're pretty smart," he said.

    The study looked at a large sample from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), which began with adolescents in grades 7-12 in the United States during the 1994-95 school year. The participants were interviewed as 18- to 28-year-olds from 2001 to 2002. The study also looked at the General Social Survey, another cross-national data collection source.

    Kanazawa did not find that higher or lower intelligence predicted sexual exclusivity in women. This makes sense, because having one partner has always been advantageous to women, even thousands of years ago, meaning exclusivity is not a "new" preference.

    For men, on the other hand, sexual exclusivity goes against the grain evolutionarily. With a goal of spreading genes, early men had multiple mates. Since women had to spend nine months being pregnant, and additional years caring for very young children, it made sense for them to want a steady mate to provide them resources.
    Religion, the current theory goes, did not help people survive or reproduce necessarily, but goes along the lines of helping people to be paranoid, Kanazawa said. Assuming that, for example, a noise in the distance is a signal of a threat helped early humans to prepare in case of danger.


    "It helps life to be paranoid, and because humans are paranoid, they become more religious, and they see the hands of God everywhere," Kanazawa said.

    Participants who said they were atheists had an average IQ of 103 in adolescence, while adults who said they were religious averaged 97, the study found. Atheism "allows someone to move forward and speculate on life without any concern for the dogmatic structure of a religion," Bailey said.

    "Historically, anything that's new and different can be seen as a threat in terms of the religious beliefs; almost all religious systems are about permanence," he noted.

    The study takes the American view of liberal vs. conservative. It defines "liberal" in terms of concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people. It does not look at other factors that play into American political beliefs, such as abortion, gun control and gay rights.
    "Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with
    people they associate with," he said.

    Given that human ancestors had a keen interest in the survival of their offspring and nearest kin, the conservative approach -- looking out for the people around you first -- fits with the evolutionary picture more than liberalism, Kanazawa said. "It's unnatural for humans to be concerned about total strangers." he said.
    The study found that young adults who said they were "very conservative" had an average adolescent IQ of 95, whereas those who said they were "very liberal" averaged 106.

    It also makes sense that "conservatism" as a worldview of keeping things stable would be a safer approach than venturing toward the unfamiliar, Bailey said.
    Neither Bailey nor Kanazawa identify themselves as liberal; Bailey is conservative and Kanazawa is "a strong libertarian."

    Vegetarianism, while not strongly associated with IQ in this study, has been shown to be related to intelligence in previous research, Kanazawa said. This also fits into Bailey's idea that unconventional preferences appeal to people with higher intelligence, and can also be a means of showing superiority.

    None of this means that the human species is evolving toward a future where these traits are the default, Kanazawa said.
    "More intelligent people don't have more children, so moving away from the trajectory is not going to happen," he said.
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #1 - February 27, 2010, 02:29 PM

    Anyone think this proves intelligent people tend to become atheists while dumber ones stay religious?
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #2 - February 27, 2010, 02:33 PM

    atheists has more commonsense then regular theists  Afro
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #3 - February 27, 2010, 02:56 PM

    As I see it brain and information are two different things just like computer and software are two different things ie biology and psychology.

    Since all normal human brains are the same so the only difference will be who has the access to wider or more information and uses it. So people who use their brains better get different results than those who do not.

     

    I am a student of quran and islam and not an exmuslim.
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #4 - February 27, 2010, 02:58 PM

    Quote
    Religion, the current theory goes, did not help people survive or reproduce necessarily, but goes along the lines of helping people to be paranoid...


     Cheesy

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #5 - February 27, 2010, 03:01 PM

    sorry double post

    I am a student of quran and islam and not an exmuslim.
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #6 - February 27, 2010, 03:04 PM

    As I see it brain and information are two different things just like computer and software are two different things ie biology and psychology.

    Since all normal human brains are the same so the only difference will be who has the access to wider or more information and uses it. So people who use their brains better get different results than those who do not.

     


    So true.  I've known some pretty conservative Christian families back in the States, even used to babysit for them and I observed that with such people they feel the need to shelter their children from many of the realities of the world which hinders their ability to cope with the wider world once they become adults.

    As for adults, I've met some pretty dimwitted uberChristians (and uberMuslims) but rarely have I crossed paths with a dull witted agnostic or athiest.  Then again I don't really go around talking about faith and beliefs with everyone I meet but I have noticed this trend in my personal dealings with people.

    Religion throws up barriers inside a person's head with all of it's taboos that it makes people afraid to think outside the box.

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #7 - February 27, 2010, 03:11 PM

    The smarter and more educated you are, the bigger the chance you're an atheist.
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #8 - February 27, 2010, 03:16 PM

    My IQ is 90.
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #9 - February 27, 2010, 04:05 PM

    My IQ is 90.

    Congrats!
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #10 - February 27, 2010, 04:09 PM

    Congrats!



    tkany uu
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #11 - February 27, 2010, 04:22 PM

    Where did you check it BD? I got 115 from http://www.iqtest.com/
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #12 - February 27, 2010, 04:28 PM

    i joke i mine is around 110 to 120 depending on the test. 90 is considered below average. 100 is average.
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #13 - February 27, 2010, 04:51 PM

    Lol I got 122  grin12

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #14 - February 27, 2010, 04:54 PM

  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #15 - February 27, 2010, 04:56 PM

    so we're all mostly in high intelligence - the article says the religious folks are around 90 something on average  dance
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #16 - February 27, 2010, 05:12 PM

    My IQ is 123.   dance

    It's gone up since I last did this test.  dance dance dance


    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #17 - February 27, 2010, 05:17 PM

    I have an IQ of 104 (from dyslexia psychological assessment) and of 113 from http://www.free-iqtest.net

    http://www.free-iqtest.net/images/badges2/l113.gif


    and im 18
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #18 - February 27, 2010, 07:12 PM

    Mine is 147, it is certified, by the High IQ society. Since I was offered a membership for something like £30 at the time.
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #19 - February 27, 2010, 07:12 PM

    I always get shitty results when I do IQ tests, I hate them. I did the one Liberated mentioned; http://www.iqtest.com/

    My results: 105.

    I didn't understand a few of the questions but still, paltry results.

    I suck at math, and may brain my not function with abstract questions, which is strange since I have no problems with abstract thinking. I think I'm fairly smart in the real world and with the "real" academic conundrums. But when it comes to these abstractions, my brain fails. Either that, or I'm just deluding myself, and my IQ is in fact average even when dealing with real-life scenarios.

    In any case, fuck it, at least it's average  grin12
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #20 - February 27, 2010, 07:14 PM

    Mine is 147, it is certified, by the High IQ society. Since I was offered a membership for something like £30 at the time.


    What about Mensa? They don't have an IQ test on their website. They have this workout though:

    http://www.mensa.org/index0.php?page=12
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #21 - February 27, 2010, 07:27 PM

    I'll try it... I looked at the first page of the link Liberated posted...  I am not even going to do that it is just too damn easy.
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #22 - February 27, 2010, 07:27 PM

    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/index.html?hpt=C1

    liberalism and atheism all go against what would be expected given humans' evolutionary past. In other words, none of these traits would have benefited our early human ancestors, but higher intelligence may be associated with them.


    That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. How would lack of belief in God put early humans at a disadvantage? What was the IQ of the people who complete this study? Fuckin 80? I'll comment on the liberal part below.

    Quote
    "It helps life to be paranoid, and because humans are paranoid, they become more religious, and they see the hands of God everywhere," Kanazawa said.


    Wow. It just gets dumber and dumber. I know plenty of paranoid people who are atheist (yours truly included) and plenty of religious people who aren't paranoid. Not only is this kind of speculation decidedly unscientific, it's pretty boneheaded even as pure speculation.

    Quote
    The study takes the American view of liberal vs. conservative. It defines "liberal" in terms of concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people. It does not look at other factors that play into American political beliefs, such as abortion, gun control and gay rights.
    "Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with
    people they associate with," he said.

    Given that human ancestors had a keen interest in the survival of their offspring and nearest kin, the conservative approach -- looking out for the people around you first -- fits with the evolutionary picture more than liberalism, Kanazawa said. "It's unnatural for humans to be concerned about total strangers." he said.
    The study found that young adults who said they were "very conservative" had an average adolescent IQ of 95, whereas those who said they were "very liberal" averaged 106.

    It also makes sense that "conservatism" as a worldview of keeping things stable would be a safer approach than venturing toward the unfamiliar, Bailey said.
    Neither Bailey nor Kanazawa identify themselves as liberal; Bailey is conservative and Kanazawa is "a strong libertarian."


    So basically they rigged the definition of "liberal" and "conservative" to support their evolutionary hypothesis. Never mind that there are a lot of people, Americans included, who would reject those definitions, and never mind that economically, early human tribal society was essentially communist.

    fuck you
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #23 - February 27, 2010, 07:36 PM

    I always get shitty results when I do IQ tests, I hate them. I did the one Liberated mentioned; http://www.iqtest.com/

    My results: 105.

    I didn't understand a few of the questions but still, paltry results.

    I suck at math, and may brain my not function with abstract questions, which is strange since I have no problems with abstract thinking. I think I'm fairly smart in the real world and with the "real" academic conundrums. But when it comes to these abstractions, my brain fails. Either that, or I'm just deluding myself, and my IQ is in fact average even when dealing with real-life scenarios.

    In any case, fuck it, at least it's average  grin12



    Ye u can improve your IQ though mine is like 130 according to the facebook one but some days it's higher some days it's lower, depends how much sleep i get lol.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #24 - February 27, 2010, 08:19 PM


    Ye u can improve your IQ though mine is like 130 according to the facebook one but some days it's higher some days it's lower, depends how much sleep i get lol.



    Sure. Or I can just have a big penis.
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #25 - February 27, 2010, 08:23 PM

    If you put me in power to where I can rule over you like a tyrant, I promise high IQs for everyone. Big cocks and six-pack abs for the dudes, and big boobs and spectacular asses for the chicks. And everyone gets 10 million dollars.

    Q-Man--for a better future!

    fuck you
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #26 - February 27, 2010, 08:27 PM

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #27 - February 27, 2010, 09:18 PM

    Cattell   138
    Stanford-Binet   126

    Based on these scores I closely miss Mensa's cutoffs
  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #28 - February 27, 2010, 10:35 PM

    Sure. Or I can just have a big penis.



    LAWL

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Liberal atheists 'have higher IQs'
     Reply #29 - February 28, 2010, 12:11 AM

    well the article has some truth to it
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