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 Topic: If the Heart was the Mind before then what was the Brain?

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  • If the Heart was the Mind before then what was the Brain?
     OP - February 27, 2010, 06:14 PM

    In the past what did people think the brain was? And how do we know that when they said: I know this to be true in my heart not to mean the brain, but the chest/abdomen, this is where the mind and spirit was.

    Anybody who speaks of the heart (organ) as the brain today will be laughed at.

    Are we sure people believed this in the past? And what were their thoughts on the brain (organ)? What was its purpose?
  • Re: If the Heart was the Mind before then what was the Brain?
     Reply #1 - February 27, 2010, 07:23 PM

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    In the past what did people think the brain was?


    Quran..Quran..Quran.. Science..Science..Science from baboons

    Didn't you read anything about Heart and Brain in Quran dear BlackDog


    Boy you ask very tough questions..  Any way people knew very well about Brain.. here is some thing what people thought about it before Muhammad's birth during Aristotle time




    http://www.princeton.edu/~cggross/Neuroscientist_95-1.pdf


    After Quran became Scientific manual, we started giving more importance to the Pump.. the heart..

     Quran has so many verses on heart and so much science in it,
    essentially  it is BRAINLESS


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    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: If the Heart was the Mind before then what was the Brain?
     Reply #2 - February 27, 2010, 08:07 PM

    lol thanks yeezeevee

    i need more info on this, i think it's a fascinating subject

    also need to figure out when the arabic word for brain came into use,

    it cant be akel, i think thats mind, fe laam takloon, do you not think, i think the root is the same, but the word for brain in arabic is damagh and makh دماغand # مخ

    are these words in the quran?
  • Re: If the Heart was the Mind before then what was the Brain?
     Reply #3 - February 27, 2010, 09:36 PM

    Just to let the readers know..  Some Facts about Brain..

    1). Brain-related scripts were written by Egyptians as early as 5000 years ago. Surprisingly, the Egyptians knew so much, that they  factually and systematically described 48 injury cases. They also were the first to describe the cerebral cortex (as “corrugations which form in molten copper”). Unfortunately, these observations and methods were not accounted for in the Egyptian medical theory (dominated by magical concepts) and surgeries for medical reasons are not known.

    2. The Egyptians strongly believed in life after death and skillfully mummified their Pharaohs. Their view of the role of the different organs was reflected in the way they prepared them for use in the next life. But the Egyptians considered the heart the most important organ of the body, the seat of the mind and of the intellectual activities. As the brain was not an essential organ to the Pharaoh, it was extracted using an iron hook through the nostrils and discarded. In contrast, other organs were removed, treated (especially the heart) and replaced in the body or stored in jars positioned along the body. This heart-centered view prevailed for thousands (!) of years in middle-eastern and European ancient cultures.


     3. For the ancients, the heart was the most important organ. This view is well reflected in the Hebrew Bible, in which the blood is related to the soul and the Hebrew word "heart" ("Lev") appears thousands of times. AND BRAIN WAS MENTIONED NOWHERE.  The complete absence of references to the brain in the Bible reflects the heart-centered view. The belief that the bodies of the dead were “sacred” and “filthy” at the same time resulted in the forbiddance of post mortem surgeries and prevented changes to that view. The blood-soul link is the source of the Jewish tradition of massively salting meat for at least 3 hours, extracting all the liquids from it by osmosis. It represents the moral norm that permits consuming only of the body, sparing the soul. Current technology “resuscitates” the meat by injections of water and salts.

       
    4. Alcmaeon (450 BC) from Croton (in nowadays Italy) was the first to associate the brain with sensations and cognition and to use anatomical dissections for intellectual inquiry. However, many of his conclusions were wrong. He believed that the eyes were made of water and fire (light is not essential for vision, as evidence by the "fire" generated from a blow to the eye).  Even famous mathematician Johannes Kepler held the view that the iris could generate light. The experiment that refuted the idea that physical light is generated in the eyes was performed by the Italian anatomist G. B. Morgagni (1719).

    5. In contrast to the school of Alcmaeon that favored dissections, Hippocrates of Cos (425 BC) emphasized detailed observations. He also was against the traditional attribution of divine causes to diseases and located epilepsy in the brain, as well as all sensations and reasoning.

    Hippocrates is popularly known for the institution of the Hippocratic Oath, held sacred by doctors all over the world.
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    The Hippocratic Oath (Modern Version)"The Hippocratic Oath: Modern Version".


    I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

    I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

    I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

    I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

    I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

    I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

    I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

    I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

    I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

    If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: If the Heart was the Mind before then what was the Brain?
     Reply #4 - February 27, 2010, 10:29 PM

    Awesome stuff Yeezeevee!
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