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 Topic: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party

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  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #30 - March 01, 2010, 09:54 PM

    Check out the comments, emotional pleading and Ad hominems.

    Please point that out! But maybe explaining the terms, or describing exactly what people are doing so they realize they have no case to present.

    The comments show they know they are fucked and there is nothing they can do. It's bizarre that they have to defend muslims, no matter who these muslims are, just because they are muslims and they must attack and criticize anybody, does not matter who it is or what they're saying, because they are not muslim.

    This needs to go out there as well. I already made a comment, I wish it was more substantial though :(


    The IFE, Hizb ut Tahrir and all these organisations will have alerted people on forums to bombard that thread.

    The documentary is of the highest quality and credibility. In the final third, secular Bangladeshis start speaking out against them. Its a very important programme.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #31 - March 01, 2010, 10:29 PM

    I cant believe that the first 30 outraged posts, attack on Islam,I am offended! ( honestly one said that) etc etc were actually made before the program was actually aired ! Cheesy

    I have posted a reply over there but they seem to be vetted  so Im not sure it will be posted,it was a measured response so there iwll be no need to reject its publication,will wait to see if it is/

    But I agree that this has been a very very important broadcast and may well be one that will be pointed out as one that started the new moderate/secular ascension

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #32 - March 01, 2010, 10:41 PM

    Shit!  Reading those responses is like reading the Ummah forum only without all the calls to 'kill the kaffirun'.

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #33 - March 01, 2010, 10:44 PM


    Like I said, they will have been sent there by the IFE, Jamaat e Islami etc guys to bombard it with comments when they knew they had been sussed by this programme. All they have is screaming hysterically about prejudice, hell, the documentary even mentions that this is what they do and that is why some people are inhibited from confronting them.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #34 - March 01, 2010, 10:51 PM

    Good programme.  I will be watching future episodes.  I can't believe I actually consorted with some of these people when I lived in London but the thing is, I wasn't even aware of it although I suspected as much.

    Anyone who has been to the East London Mosque will know how it is like a miniature Saudi Arabia in there.  When I used to go for the weekly women's Arabic courses and Saturday women's circle I always got the impression that if you didn't suport the Wahhabi strand of Islam then you were not a 'good Muslim'.  

    In the Arabic class, half to 2/3 of the sisters wore niqab and whenever a 'brother' came into the room (always behind a screen, of course) all the ladies would hush up real quick lest he hear the awrah of their voices and a young boy would be used as a go-between if anything needed to be passed across the barrier.

    It was odd seeing all these Bengali girls trying so hard to be Arabs.   wacko

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #35 - March 01, 2010, 10:52 PM

    Billy, I think you're underestimating the capacity for Musulmans to say stupid shit without the need to be goaded by Islamists. They are quite brilliantly stupid by themselves.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #36 - March 01, 2010, 10:56 PM

    It was odd seeing all these Bengali girls trying so hard to be Arabs.   wacko


    It sickens me.

    Whenever I see a bengali girl don that despicable rag I just want hurl.  finmad

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #37 - March 01, 2010, 11:00 PM

    Damn!  Over half way through reading the comments on the Dispatches website and STILL they are all defensive posts written BEFORE the programme even aired!

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #38 - March 01, 2010, 11:02 PM

    Iblis, these guys are basically the Bangladeshi Jamaat-e-Islami operating under the name of Islamic Forum of Europe from the East London Mosque, which is bang in the middle of the biggest Bangladeshi community probably outside Bangladesh. They interviewed Bangladeshis in London opposed to them and one of them made the point that they were even against the formation of Bangladesh. These guys threatened and intimidated secular Bangladeshis who hold festivals celebrating Bengali music and dance and culture as 'un Islamic'. They really were model nasty Islamist bully boys.

    THe Muslim Council of Britain must be pulling their hair out. Their key members were implicated with this bunch of assholes, including their current leader, Abdul Bari.

    This documentary is very, very important. Hopefully it will be on youtube soon so everyone can see it.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #39 - March 01, 2010, 11:03 PM

    These are the same guys that also aided the Pakistan army in slaughtering 100,000s of Bengalis in 1970.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #40 - March 01, 2010, 11:05 PM

    Good programme.  I will be watching future episodes.  I can't believe I actually consorted with some of these people when I lived in London but the thing is, I wasn't even aware of it although I suspected as much.

    Anyone who has been to the East London Mosque will know how it is like a miniature Saudi Arabia in there.  When I used to go for the weekly women's Arabic courses and Saturday women's circle I always got the impression that if you didn't suport the Wahhabi strand of Islam then you were not a 'good Muslim'.  

    In the Arabic class, half to 2/3 of the sisters wore niqab and whenever a 'brother' came into the room (always behind a screen, of course) all the ladies would hush up real quick lest he hear the awrah of their voices and a young boy would be used as a go-between if anything needed to be passed across the barrier.

    It was odd seeing all these Bengali girls trying so hard to be Arabs.   wacko


    The poison of Saudi Arabia. Bengalis in the east end of London didn't used to be like this. They still have a resistance to it - all those secular Bengladashis at the end of the programme describing how they fought against the Jamat e Islami for so long.

    Saudis come along, pump millions into that mosque to disseminate that strain of Islam, and voila.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #41 - March 01, 2010, 11:11 PM

    Not surprising. The did the same to Bangladesh. Bangladesh has no native strain of conservative Islam. Our native Islam is much more syncretic, hinduized and sufi-tomb worshipping in nature. The Saudis pumped millions into Bangladesh and we imported that vile shit.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #42 - March 01, 2010, 11:42 PM

    HOLY shit. I do feel like swearing a bit more at these twats but i'll restrain myself for now. They will never turn this country into an Islamic state, having said that this news is still alarming. Talk about religious minorites taking the piss, and I'm not even talking about all British Muslims.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #43 - March 02, 2010, 02:46 AM

    Damn!  Over half way through reading the comments on the Dispatches website and STILL they are all defensive posts written BEFORE the programme even aired!


    they put an "action alert" out about three weeks ago.  One of our friends on ummah accidentally posted it before having it deleted but it's the usual cri de cour for mass whining.

    Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful, The Perpetually Pissed Off About Some Shit Or Other.
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #44 - March 02, 2010, 03:20 AM

    Look forward to seeing this on YouTube; sounds interesting.
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #45 - March 02, 2010, 12:46 PM

    really pissed off about C4s comments format. They seem to have limited numbers and someone vetting them. By all means delete the ones that are just abusive or just slogan screaming. They dont even seem to have got the balance right as the ' you are islam haters!! ' type posts far outnumber the reasoned responses. Perhaps they are bending over backwards to accomodate the 'offfended' to show just how balanced they are ( the irony) they should have just allowed a free for all in the comments page rejecting just the abusive and inane. Would have been much more interesting reading.
    I now feel frustrated that my 'beliefs' are not being   listened to,this is discrimination and  I AM OFFENDED !!!!!  I feel like a beheadng is now on the cards,now where did I put that swiss army knife ?? Would it be haram to corkscrew someones head off?

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #46 - March 02, 2010, 01:16 PM

     Cheesy
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #47 - March 02, 2010, 01:18 PM

    I just finished watching the program. I missed it last night cause I was to busy revising for exams whistling2. The amount of influence these ******* are having is scary man. Something needs to be done about this. I went to the mosque in 2008. I think it was on eid day or something. I didn't notice anything weird at the time. Btw, George galloway is the biggest ***hole that I’ve ever seen. I can’t believe that I used to adore this man once.
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #48 - March 02, 2010, 02:13 PM

    How long will it be until the moderate Muslim community stands up? Surely there's thousands and thousands of people, I'm aware that it would be a risky and intimidating think to stand up to extremists but moderates would probably be the best way at isolating extremists; they've hijacked the entire image.

    Or at least, what more can moderates do...
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #49 - March 02, 2010, 04:32 PM



    This is cross-posted from the other thread, for anyone who missed it, about the comments on the Channel 4 website

    +

    Well, here is Andrew Gilligan writing in the Daily Telegraph today - all those comments on the Channel 4 website were, yep, co-ordinated.

    +++++++

    You may have noticed that any newspaper articles or TV programmes exposing the doings of Islamist radicals - such as the ones about the Islamic Forum of Europe which I’m in the process of bringing out at the moment – always attract weirdly formulaic, oven-ready complaints (”what the well-known racist and CIA agent Andrew Gilligan conveniently forgets to acknowledge is the decisive role of the IFE in promoting community cohesion, ending world poverty, stopping climate change,” etc, etc.) Well, I think I’ve solved the mystery.

    Someone not a million miles from the IFE has kindly passed me an email sent out by Musleh Faradhi, the organisation’s president, last Tuesday, February 22nd. “We need to ensure Channel 4 receives a strong message from the community by being inundated with complaints,” says Mr Faradhi. That was nearly a week before transmission.

    Then there’s the email – also leaked to me – circulated at 6.12pm yesterday (Mon) by the IFE’s chums at the Muslim Council of Britain. “Do everything you can to get articulate responses ready and distributed from as many of our affiliates as possible…In essence, we need to make a noise out there and we need everyone’s help. It is vital we do this for our collective interests,” says Tufael Ahmed of the MCB’s media committee. Still almost two hours till airtime, Tufael!

    Here is some free media advice for the media committee. It would have been better not to be cross until you had actually seen the programme. Any sense that complaints are being “ensured” or that “articulate responses” are being “got ready” hours or even days beforehand might lead the rest of us to conclude that the outrage is somewhat… well, manufactured.

    I might also remind my new fans of something that a previous object of my attentions, Ken Livingstone, had to learn the hard way. We have amassed a great deal of material on this story, much of which has not so far emerged. Don’t rush in to any (further) denials which you may later come to regret.

    I have no doubt that many of my “articulate responders” will complain on the grounds I’ve claimed that the IFE is at the heart of a giant Islamist conspiracy that Links Everything Together. I haven’t said that, in fact – but if I wanted to say it, I don’t think I’d need much better evidence than Mr Ahmed’s email, with its claim that the IFE is at the heart of “our collective interests.”


    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100028040/islamist-radicals-complain-early-complain-often/



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #50 - March 02, 2010, 09:03 PM

    How long will it be until the moderate Muslim community stands up? Surely there's thousands and thousands of people, I'm aware that it would be a risky and intimidating think to stand up to extremists but moderates would probably be the best way at isolating extremists; they've hijacked the entire image.

    Or at least, what more can moderates do...


    Question, Unechance-- and I'm not being a smartass, it's a legit question-- what exactly does that mean the "moderate Muslim community standing up". I hear people say this a lot, but they aren't very specific on what they feel moderate Muslims need to do to fight radical Islam.

    Certainly there do exist moderate Muslims who are speaking out against radical Islam, and there are some even physically fighting radical Islamists in the Muslim world-- Iran right now is a pretty damn good example of moderate Muslims standing up to the hardliners, even under immediate threat of death. So what is it that the moderates are not doing that they need to do? Is it just a question of numbers? If it is, you'll likely have a problem as most Muslims are like everyone else-- not particularly political and more concerned with everyday shit like work, friends and family than they are with "standing up" for...well...any cause, really.

    My personal opinion is the problem is not a lack of moderate Muslims standing up, but a general lack of moderation in Islam generally, and not enough Islamic institutions that have reconciled themselves, even partially, to secularism, as many of the Christian churches were forced to do by the Enlightenment and the revolutions it inspired. And that took a long time to happen. Spain didn't become secular until the 1970s, in some ways Ireland still isn't, and in the US, the first modern secular government, there is still a large portion of Christians actively fighting against secularism. In certain parts of the developing world, Christianity still plays a big and very destructive/sexist role in society-- Guyana is a good (bad) example of that.

    fuck you
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #51 - March 02, 2010, 09:22 PM


    Unechance watch the documentary, the final part is about moderate Muslims in east London opposed to the Jamaat-e-Islami standing up to the IFE extremists.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #52 - March 03, 2010, 04:43 AM

    I did watch the documentary and it's encouraging to see more moderate Muslims stand up and say no, but the thing is it makes you wonder why so much of this happens only in Britain, and how whenever there is a problem with the Muslim community, either it's something like this or they're being misrepresented, it seems like it's other people who speak up first and not always Muslims themselves.

    To me, the "moderate Muslim community stands up" means that the 50% of people (at least) who don't share the same extremist radical views simply stand up and say that this is not what they believe in. From what I've heard and read, moderate Muslims don't really receive a platform, or if they do, it's overshadowed and undertoned with other distorted views. You look at big organisations like IFE, as mentioned, or even the Muslim Council of Britain, and you see the undertones of homophobia and antisemitism, it just seems to me that even organisations that represent themselves as moderate don't seem to be.

    I don't know, I don't even know much about this issue... I just think the wider Muslim community needs a platform to speak on, the media gives extremists far too much credit and it just creates problems. I firmly believe that a change in Islam will come from Islam / Muslims and not from politicians, extremists need to be isolated from communities but instead you hear things about teachers and imams teaching children that Jews are pigs. It seems like the whole system of bigotry and intolerance climbs the entire social ladder of Islam, and that moderates don't get the opportunity to say no without being labeled an infidel.

    That's just what I as a non-Muslim looking in would assume but I can't know as much as many of you.
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #53 - March 03, 2010, 12:10 PM

    Quote
    It seems like the whole system of bigotry and intolerance climbs the entire social ladder of Islam, and that moderates don't get the opportunity to say no without being labeled an infidel.

     Thats is a big part of the problem there. I am not a muslim or ex-muslim either however I dont think it is necessary to be to find parrallels to this problem in other conflicts and schisms.

    Usually as it dawns on a section of a particular society that their stance is in fact harming them more than it is acheiving, a sizeable number desire change but the mindset that was borne from strife (real or imagined or self-inflicted) is extremely difficult to challenge or change and so you have a large percentage wishing for change but unable or unwilling to say so becuase that mindset will percieve them as betraying the 'cause' or being an Uncle Tom or such like. Social ostracism or worse awaits the brave who speak out.
     
    It takes the first brave souls to speak out and suffer the inevitable outcry and recriminations before others also raise their voices and it starts a snowball effect giving others the courage to stand up to the bullys and the fixed mindset. It will come though I believe.
    I also believe this process will start (or has already started) in Isreal as younger generations start to see through the bullshit and question why they have to be in eternal conflict with their neighbours. Those voices are already there and I believe as time goes on they will get louder.
     

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #54 - March 03, 2010, 12:14 PM


    I think that what you said about intolerance and bigotry being on the whole social ladder is very true. What I have observed as a muslim is that they refuse to say their true feelings in front of others. For instance it outrages even the most unpracticing muslims to hear one say that they do not agree that Islam is the true religion because they do not believe the Prophet was a good man or should be followed.  Yet when approached, in my experience, will say that you have the choice to your beliefs. In reality they are not against murder of an apostate and will say so if in the position to do so. However, they are not in the position to do so and say anything in order to not turn the non-muslims from thinking badly about islam.

    muslims are taught to some extent that they are the best in religion and by consequence it has undertones of superiority regardless of how moderate, unpracticing or orthodox a muslim seems to be.  This is because they believe that Islam is the true religion and are not interested in rethinking this point of view.  Nor do they appreciate anyone else bringing it up.

    Because of the fear of death our point of view has not been told and perhaps with the media and freedom of speech in the west hearing about the reasons we are no longer muslim will help others to make up their minds.

  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #55 - March 03, 2010, 12:28 PM

    I have just read the thread regards  Tahir ul-Qadri. Perhaps this could be one of the voices I was referring to that can change mindsets. Those that were afraid to speak out against Al-qaida and their supportes may now feel they can and using this fatwa as an answer to their critics. This is all positive stuff.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8544531.stm

    The reactions to this are going to be very very interesting. Would someone with access to muslim sites such as umma let us have some feedback as to the reactions over there? cheers

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #56 - March 03, 2010, 12:59 PM

    Quote from: Kaffir Latte
    Would someone with access to muslim sites such as umma let us have some feedback as to the reactions over there? cheers

    It's the usual bluster.  The goons over at Ummah do not believe a word published by ANY western media outlet about Islam.  They are calling for more letters of complaint to be written, etc, etc, etc.  The IFE is completely innocent, they are a community organisation, etc.  Snore....

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #57 - March 03, 2010, 01:06 PM

    Here's the thread on Ummah:

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?251325-Dispatches-Britain-s-Islamic-Republic-Monday-8pm-C4

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #58 - March 03, 2010, 06:19 PM

    thanks for the link.First time Ive been over there,but having seen that 2 of the guys who were criticising and makieng salient points about the programme were banned.Tells you all you need to know about their desire for debate. Im not sure they believe Hassan was a great loss to them. The bag the cats are in is extremely fragile and any piece of reason or free-thinking would surely let them out.
    Dont think I will ever post over there as I can't think of anything innocuous enough that I would say that would not get me banned. I will just lurk and get myself an edookashun on their reasoning all the better to counter their BS if they ever try it on with me IRL.
    I think the the thing that stumps them with this programme is that much of the criticism is directed at IFE by muslims so all they can do is throw the usual Zionists,islamophobe conspiracy stuff around.Anything but take on board that C4 pwnd their sneaky arses.

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: Islamic Radicals infiltrate the Labor Party
     Reply #59 - March 03, 2010, 08:00 PM

    Too right!  They got pwned!  dance

    I have noticed too how Ummah's mods will disable anyone's acct who holds views counter to theirs.  That's why although I have an acct there I never post as I know I will just end up getting into huge arguements with them and getting myself all roiled up over nothing!


    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
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