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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #330 - December 06, 2013, 02:34 PM

    The story of Pakistan...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zres57y6rsY

    AND THAT FELLOW  was a Pakistan Lieutenant-General.,   Hamid Gul

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #331 - December 09, 2013, 09:42 PM

    Dr. A. Q Khan writes about Azad on Pakistan..

    Well there  Azad mean "Not  Freedom" but "Maulana Abul Kalam Azad"   A well Known Muslims leader from Indian subcontinent   and was an influential Congress leader of India" Let us pick up some nuggets from his scribbles

    Azad on Pakistan_part 1
    Azad on Pakistan_part 2

    All that was written by Dr. A. Q. Khan...  He  writes
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    Maulana Abul Kalam Azad was an influential Congress leader of the Independence Movement. He was a scholar, an historian, and linguist and a religious scholar. At the age of 35 he became the youngest president of the All India National Congress

    On October 28, I wrote a   column quoting extracts from an interview given by him to Shorish Kashmiri of ‘Chattan’, Lahore. This column is in response to requests to publish the whole interview. However, due to space constraints, it has been abridged.

    The original interview was published in Urdu and was later translated into English by former Union Cabinet Minister, Arif Mohammad Khan. This English version is taken from Khan’s translation.

    Here are the interesting Q & A from  Maulana Abul Kalam Azad
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      Q: The Hindu Muslim dispute has become so acute that it has foreclosed any possibility of reconciliation. Don’t you think that, in this situation, the birth of Pakistan has become inevitable?

    Ans:  If Pakistan were the solution of Hindu-Muslim problems, then I would have extended my support to it. A section of Hindu opinion is now turning in its favour. By conceding NWFP, Sindh, Balochistan and half of Punjab on one side and half of Bengal on the other, they think they will get the rest of India – a huge country that would be free from any claims of communal nature. If we use the Muslim League terminology, this new India will be a Hindu state, both practically and temperamentally.

    …The communal hatred it has generated has completely extinguished all possibilities of spreading and preaching Islam. This communal politics has hurt the religion beyond measure. Muslims have turned away from the Quran….By the time of the decline of the Mughal rule, Muslims in India were a little over 22.5 million. Since then the numbers kept increasing. If the Muslim politicians had not used the offensive language that embittered communal relations, and the other section acting as agents of British interests had not worked to widen the Hindu-Muslim breach, the number of Muslims in India would have gone up…Under British influence we turned Islam into a…hereditary community.

    The Indian Muslims have frozen Islam and its message and divided themselves into many sects…clearly born at the instance of colonial power….They prefer the religion of politics, not the religion of the Quran. Pakistan is a political standpoint.

    Regardless of the fact whether it is the right solution to the problems of Indian Muslims, it is being demanded in the name of Islam. The question is when and where Islam provided for division of territories to settle populations on the basis of belief and unbelief. …..

    How shall we explain the ever growing Muslim presence in non-Muslim lands, including India? Do they realise that if Islam had approved this principle, then it would not have permitted its followers to go to non-Muslim lands and many ancestors of the supporters of Pakistan would not even have entered the fold of Islam?...

    The impact of western thought and philosophy has made the crisis more serious. The way the leadership of the Muslim League is conducting itself will ensure that Islam will become a rare commodity in Pakistan and Muslims in India….Pakistan, when it comes into existence, will face conflicts of a religious nature.

    As far as I can see, the people who will hold the reins of power will cause serious damage to Islam. Their behaviour may result in the total alienation of the Pakistani youth who may become a part of non-religious movements….You will see that, despite the increased role of ulema, the religion will lose its sheen in Pakistan.

     

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    Q: But many ulema are with Quaid-e-Azam.

    A: Many ulema were with Akbar-e-Azam too; they invented a new religion for him. Do not discuss individuals. Our history is replete with the doings of the Ulema who have brought humiliation and disgrace to Islam in every age and period.

    The upholders of truth are exceptions. How many ulema find an honourable mention in the Muslim history of the last 1,300 years? There was one Imam Hanbal, one Ibn Taimiyya. In India we remember no ulema except Shah Waliullah and his family. The courage of Alf Sani is beyond doubt, but those who filled the royal office with complaints against him and got him imprisoned were also ulema. Where are they now? Does anybody show any respect to them?   

    Q: Maulana, what is wrong if Pakistan becomes a reality? After all, ‘Islam’ is being used to pursue and protect the unity of the community.

    A: You are using the name of Islam for a cause that is not right by Islamic standards. Muslim history bears testimony to many such enormities.

    …If Pakistan was right for Muslims, I would have supported it. But I see clearly the dangers inherent in the demand. I do not expect people to follow me. …. Muslims will not hear anything against Pakistan unless they experience it. Today they can call white black, but they will not give up Pakistan. The only way it can be stopped now is either for the government not to concede it or for Mr Jinnah himself – if he agrees to some new proposal.

    …But I must warn that the evil consequences of partition will not affect India alone; Pakistan will be equally haunted by them. The Partition will be based on the religion of the population and not on any natural barrier a like mountain, desert or river. A line will be drawn; it is difficult to say how durable it would be.

    We must remember that an entity conceived in hatred will last only as long as that hatred lasts. This hatred will overwhelm relations between India and Pakistan…The politics of Partition will act as a barrier….Indian Muslims will have three options before them:

    • They become victims of loot and brutalities and migrate to Pakistan; but how many Muslims can find shelter there?

    • They become subject to murder and other excesses. A substantial number of Muslims will pass through this ordeal until the bitter memories of Partition are forgotten and the generation that had lived through it completes its natural term.

    • A good number of Muslims, haunted by poverty, political wilderness and regional depredation, decide to renounce Islam.

    Prominent Muslims who support the Muslim League will leave for Pakistan. The wealthy Muslims will take over the industry and business and monopolise the economy of Pakistan. But more than 30 million Muslims will be left behind in India. What promise does Pakistan hold for them?

    …Pakistan itself will be afflicted by many serious problems. The greatest danger will come from international powers who will seek to control the new country, and with the passage of time, this control will become tight. India will have no problem with this outside interference as it will sense danger and hostility from Pakistan.

    what a great man.. His predictions are becoming reality

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #332 - December 13, 2013, 05:27 PM

    History’s baggage: Pakistan’s Punjab problem  writes that man Ayaz Amir from Land of Pure..

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    Arising from the same soil, breathing the same air, moving to the same folk songs and music, defined by the same five rivers, Punjab over the centuries has yet produced two distinct types of personality: the Muslim Punjabi and the Sikh Punjabi. There is also the Hindu Punjabi but for ease of discussion let the first two categories suffice.
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    The Sikhs were not just the followers of a new religion. Under a succession of Sikh warlords taking advantage of the long twilight of the Mughal Empire, and then under Ranjit Singh who founded a Sikh kingdom – the first unified Punjabi political entity in over 2000 years – they became a nation.

    In this journey from obscurity to kingship, the Sikhs proved themselves tough warriors, more than a match for the Mughals to the east and the Afghans to the west. After Nadir Shah’s invasion of India (1739 – a mere 32 years after the death of Aurangzeb) Punjab fell from Mughal hands, becoming first a possession of Nadir Shah’s empire and then part of Ahmed Shah Abdali’s kingdom of Kabul.

    The Sikhs took back Punjab from the Afghans and through war and conquest Ranjit Singh made Peshawar a part of his Sikh kingdom. Successors to the Sikhs were the British and when the Lahore Durbar, after the death of Ranjit Singh, became a victim of intrigue and dissension, and the Khalsa army suffered defeat in two wars, Punjab became part of the British Empire.

    And we have succeeded the British. Ranjit Singh’s success was on the battlefield. His failure was the failure of Indian despotism, Muslim and non-Muslim alike: the inability to lay the foundations of a lasting political order. The Delhi Sultans couldn’t do it; the Mughals couldn’t do it; and Ranjit Singh failed in the same measure.

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    There’s one thing missing from this picture. Even when Ranjit Singh was lord of Punjab, Muslims constituted the majority in his kingdom, as also in Kashmir. But from the death of Aurangzeb in 1707 right up to the British annexation of Punjab in 1849, a span of 150 years, Muslim governors and commanders – in Kasur, Multan and elsewhere – appear as minor characters, acknowledging the suzerainty of Kabul or Lahore, but lacking the dash or energy to fill the vacuum caused by the collapse of Mughal power in Punjab.

    The Sikhs made that grab for power. They had the drive and the ability, and the fighting prowess. But where was the Punjabi Muslim? Why wasn’t he able to throw up a leadership equal in valour and élan to the rampaging Sikh? The Chathas would sometimes put up a fight, as would the Bhattis and, to the north, tribes like the Janjuas. But they couldn’t stand up to Sikh power.

    One Muslim name stands out: that of Adina Beg Khan who through ability and intelligence became very briefly ruler of Lahore. But he died and that was it and soon over the battlements of the Lahore Fort, built by Akbar the Great, shone the star of Ranjit Singh.

    This is not history for the sake of history. It sheds some light on our predicament today. Indian Punjab is just a planet in the Indian constellation. But Pakistani Punjab because of numbers and resources, representation in the army and administration, is the engine, the motor, the driving force of this republic.

    We lament the quality of leadership… that we could do much better if we had a better leadership class. But if Muslim Punjab couldn’t perform this feat in that long interregnum of Mughal decline, by what magic does it reverse the dynamics of history and from the same air, the same soil, the same rivers – in fact no longer five but three – produce a class of warriors and administrators (warriors in the metaphorical sense) that can lead Pakistan out of the shadows and into the sun?

    We are successors not to the Sikhs but the British. Lahore today – its Mall, its old buildings, its seats of authority, the best of its schools and colleges, the best of its hospitals, the Secretariat, the police chief’s office, the assembly building, the high court – is a reminder not of our Sikh but our British past. The settlement of land, the demarcation of tehsil and district boundaries, qanungo and patwar circles, even thana jurisdictions (many of them) are a reflection of that past.

    The British were not just conquerors. They were more than that, flag-bearers of a superior civilisation. Japan embraced this civilisation and became a great power. China has embraced the same civilisation – signified by knowledge and learning – and is on its path to world greatness.

    The Punjabi Muslim had no qualms about enlisting in the British army and fighting its battles in distant lands. The Muslim Punjabi from Chakwal, Jhelum, Rawalpindi, Attock and the other enlistment districts distinguished himself under British colours, sometimes even winning the highest awards. As a subordinate there was no one who came near his merit. But when it came to acquiring the mental habits of that superior civilisation there arose before him problems of the mind and psychology.

    Punjab was the sword arm of the empire but the Muslim component of its mind remained trapped in a time warp. Instead of looking forward and stepping into the future the Punjabi mind harked back to an imaginary past, there seeking its greatest comfort.

    The Pathan was not afraid of India. He had ruled India in the past. The Sindhi had no problem with India. For centuries past Muslims and Hindus had lived together in Sindh in amity. The Baloch imagination moved in other spheres: Iran to the west, Afghanistan to the north. As for the Kashmiri, his fate had not figured in the convoluted events leading up to Partition.

    The fear of India was an obsession of the Punjabi ruling class and its ideological fellow-travellers crossing over from East Punjab, Delhi, Lucknow, Bhopal, Bihar and Hyderabad Deccan. Fear and insecurity they carried in their hearts and minds and fear and insecurity they made part of the ruling ethos of the new state.
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    There was another thing to note. Muslim conquerors had won their Indian dominion at the point of the sword. The Mughals had gained their empire the same way. Ranjit Singh created his Sikh kingdom by the sword and a high order of statesmanship. The British won their empire through the sword and the power of a forward civilisation. But the Punjabi Muslim, now the dominant partner in the new state, was receiving his gift not through dint of effort but the sheer force of circumstances.

    So is it any surprise if the Punjabi Muslim and his Mohajir ally, sharing the same mindset and the same analysis of history, instead of making something of their gifted acquisition went back into the past, worshipping at the altar of confused ideology, looking at the future with fearful eyes and falling into the lap of outside powers to gain a feeling of security?

    And the differences which still persist: look at Indian Punjab, its dance and vitality and the thing they have made of the bhangra. In Lahore kite-flying and basant become a threat to national security. Talk and think a bit openly and you invite the wrath of the ideological battalions. And in a city on the crest of whose fort the emperor Jahangir drank deep and looked into Noor Jahan’s eyes, to get a drop of anything requires a visit to a Christian friend or a spiritual mentor (otherwise known as a bootlegger).

    Getting a drop is not the point; liberating the Muslim Punjabi mind is. For hundreds of years men and women entered the Data Darbar through the same gates. Then a committee, of which Finance Minister Ishaq Dar is a member, decided that piety was best served if the gates were segregated. And minds keen as his are supposed to fix our economy.

    well that is about the recent history of people of Punjab .. muslims/sikhs and hindus

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #333 - December 17, 2013, 03:22 PM

    Azizi on Attacks On Mosques & Islamic Centers in West and International Media

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_Hh2QxkmY

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #334 - December 18, 2013, 02:34 PM

    Imran Khan, talks about Never giving up on your Dreams at the   TEDxKarachi

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkRIIDYuIC0


    Great guy..but...but...
     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #335 - December 20, 2013, 10:02 PM

    Former President General  Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan back in Action..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxJX33tr6ho

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SJY189Jk8A


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #336 - December 26, 2013, 04:59 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFNstNFvWtk

    confusion.. confusion.. confusion..  everywhere ..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #337 - December 27, 2013, 05:14 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLpU5W7Vsfc

    well that is OK., being a democratic country, everyone must have freedom to participate in elections .. But kiddo learn to speak the language ..

    This "Roti Kapadha aur Makkan" slogan is too ooold ., and go to public every day look in to their faces next 10 years..  sell your property from London and start living in pakistan., after 10 years or so. then think about politics..  and stop shouting in to mike..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #338 - December 27, 2013, 05:23 PM



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    This "Roti Kapadha aur Makkan" slogan is too ooold .,

                            No no! It should be "panem at circenses"
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #339 - December 27, 2013, 05:42 PM

                           No no! It should be "panem at circenses"

    what can I say to you about Pakistan INception ?

    and that speaker is   Dr Farooq Haider Maudoodi..   Maudoodi....Maudoodi.. You know who That  Maudoodi.  was and this Farooq Haider Maudoodi is??

    Any way INcePtion focus.. focus on Future.. Past is gone.. it is dead.. it was killed,   murdered in day light..  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #340 - December 27, 2013, 05:45 PM

    Are you a Pakistani o.o?

    what can I say to you about Pakistan INception ?

    and that speaker is   Dr Farooq Haider Maudoodi..   Maudoodi....Maudoodi.. You know who That  Maudoodi.  was and this Farooq Haider Maudoodi is??

    Any way INcePtion focus.. focus on Future.. Past is gone.. it is dead.. it was killed,   murdered in day light..  

    Hum dekhe ge "Butto Zinda hai" 
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #341 - December 28, 2013, 02:38 PM

    Are you a Pakistani o.o?
    Hum dekhe ge "Butto Zinda hai"  

    Khya dekhe ge  INcePtion  Khya dekhe ge ??    
    Bhutto bahuth sallomke pahela Margaya.,  
    and  I am   finmad  that is not butto.,  you PHOREN PAKSITANIS forgot how to write Bhutto...

     Cheesy  well watch the guy who tried his best to lift Pakistha and see where is he is now..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frDEgNWhVvQ

    It is actually  not Pakistan Problem.,  but problem of "Islam in Politics" that rears its ugly head quite often and put many such Muslim majority nations in to a spiraling black hole of allah doll..

    with best wishes and happy new year
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #342 - December 31, 2013, 04:21 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH-dKUiroQY

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #343 - January 06, 2014, 05:16 PM

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    Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s birthday was celebrated on December 25 with many speeches, newspaper articles, TV programmes, change of guards at his mausoleum, etc.

     It goes without saying that both August 14 and December 25 symbolise something very special for us all – the first being our independence day after almost 150 years of British colonial rule and the latter being the birthday of our dear, great leader, Muhammed Ali Jinnah, who helped us obtain freedom from British yoke and, possibly, from Hindu domination.

    Quaid-e-Azam not only changed history, he created history, something very few leaders can be credited with. He was honest to the core, hard working and incorruptible, all qualities that are now scarce in our present-day rulers. He sacrificed his life for us – for this beautiful country. He could never have imagined what an incompetent, corrupt lot would usurp the country and make us a laughing stock in the comity of nations.  

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    This Muslim nation, inheritors of the best religion in the world, has turned out to be its worst followers. Did not George Bernard Shaw say: “Islam is the best religion, but has the worst followers”?

    Both these commemorations leave us much food for thought. They are reason to stop for a while and reassess ourselves – the present bad state of the nation and our potentials and achievements as a country. The challenge for Pakistan today is, first of all, to put our house in order, change our nasty national habits and characteristics of lying, cheating, adulteration, stealing, in-fighting, etc. and then bridge the large gap between our performance and the promises made by our founding fathers.

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    We have all the ingredients to become a dynamic, developed, advanced country. We are mostly self-sufficient in food, export billions worth of wheat, quality rice, cotton, sea food, textiles and leather goods and have vast reserves of mineral resources – gold, copper, coal, iron and precious metals. The sparkling sweet waters of our rivers ensure the fertility of our plains and our hardworking peasants and labourers are able to produce the best.


    However, we waste billions of acres of sweet water twice a year by letting it flow to the sea unused, thanks to the continued incompetence of our corrupt rulers over the past 60 years. Despite our possibilities, we are one of the poorest, most backward, most illiterate, most malnourished and least gender-sensitive countries in the world.

    We are now known all over the world for terrorism, sectarianism and violence against women and children. Despite having many highly educated people and being a nuclear power, we present a bleak picture of human development.

    Nearly 50 percent of our population lives below the poverty line. Almost 70 percent people are illiterate, contrary to the fudged statistics put out by the government. Almost 40 percent boys and 60 percent girls never go to school.

    The dropout rate at primary level is more than 50 percent every year. Access to basic social services like primary healthcare, safe drinking water, toilet facilities, etc are not available to half the population. Almost 50 percent of all children are malnourished. Almost 50 percent of all Pakistani families live in single-room accommodation with a large number of people not even having this facility and being even worse off.

    In fact, people face not only paucity of income, daily livelihood, medical and educational facilities and opportunities, but also of good governance and honest, God-fearing, competent rulers. Human resource development and availability of good rulers remains nothing but a dream.

    Many knowledgeable people have been warning about the alarming situation in the country in terms of a dismal situation in economics, our educational system, science and technology, healthcare and state enterprises as well as unemployment, loadshedding, the total absence of law and order, the royal lifestyles of the rulers and the squandering of national wealth for dubious (and corrupt) schemes.

    The root cause of all maladies lies in the total ignorance of the rulers in understanding the importance of education, science and technology. No progress can be made without educating the masses. The situation has become catastrophic as we have continuously brushed this problem under the carpet. We have been brought to this miserable state because, for every dollar spent in the social sector, almost five times as much is spent on defence and debt servicing.

    A negligible amount is being spent on education, science and technology and the health sector receives a laughable share of the budget. No wonder we are doomed. We have failed to invest in our people and we are shamelessly behind our neighbours in almost every sector. Years of social and economic neglect by incompetent and corrupt rulers requires drastic measures for redressing the situation.
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    Either we raise a whole army of scientists, engineers, economists, good administrators, skilled labourers and, above all, clean, God-fearing politicians and rulers, or we face the forecast made by Maulana Abul Kalam Azad coming true down to the last word.

    Sir Karl Popper, an eminent philosopher of science and society, who died in London in 1994 once said: “Next to music and art, science is the greatest, most beautiful and most enlightening achievement of the human spirit.” Personally, I would put science first.

    ...........

    It is rather unfortunate that both politicians and rulers have not fulfilled the promises made by our founding fathers. We have let down Quaid-e-Azam and those who gave their lives for us to be able to live respectably in this country. Various schemes – many mismanaged, ill-used and selfishly devised – have wasted billions of dollars without any lasting benefit where it matters most – the very poor.
    ......................

    well that is what AQ Khan wrote at Jang with a heading From expectations to performance.  well he also  Quotes  George Bernard Shaw

    “Islam is the best religion, but has the worst followers”? ..

    Best religion with worst followers...   why??   Question is why? how does a best religion produces worst followers? 

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #344 - January 09, 2014, 11:25 AM

    Why would anyone kill to preach religion?’ Asks ‘ ‘ SAHER BALOCH in Dawn

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    KARACHI: “Zalim hain, be-gunah ko maartay hain, [Cruel are these people; they kill the innocent],” said Faqir Ahmed while referring to the gruesome murder of six men inside the shrine of Ayub Shah Bukhari in Gulshan-i-Maymar a day ago.

    Sitting inside a straw tent, known as Astana, at another shrine situated in Khuda Ki Basti, Ahmed was busy speaking to a group of young men who had travelled from the nearby Ayub Goth to inquire about a langar (free food distribution) scheduled for Wednesday.

    Apart from the noise of traffic nearby, the atmosphere inside the Quyyum Shah Bukhari shrine was tranquil yet alarmed.

    “We came to know about the murders,” 30-year-old daily wage earner Javed Hussain said, adding that, “like others we are clueless as to why anyone would kill in order to preach religion?”

    Though no one inside the shrine knew the background or pedigree of the saint they revere, the men insisted that the one they had deep respect for was ‘banda-i-khuda’ and that should be a reason enough to visit his resting place.

    Standing on the doorway of his Astana, as a strong smell of sandal wood wafted across, a young devotee of the saint, Yasir Ali, 27, said: “The saint, Ayub Shah, had three brothers — Shareef Shah, Kareem Shah and Quyyum Shah — whose shrines are situated across the city.”

     Well ‘ SAHER BALOCH  wrote that and more at that link on a news clip in which 6 guys were slaughtered like sheep.. it is not by gun shots.. BUT SLAUGHTERING people for their god...  Well that is NOT NEW IN  LAND OF PURE

    but my problem is with Saher  Baloch  you see here


    She is so mart yet so DUMB TO ASK THAT QUESTION.. don't you know the answer Saher?
    I bet you do., but you don't want the answer to terrify you. 
    Would you like to know the answer? 
    come and read me here...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #345 - January 09, 2014, 03:17 PM

    Why would anyone kill to preach religion?’ Asks ‘ ‘ SAHER BALOCH in Dawn
     Well ‘ SAHER BALOCH  wrote that and more at that link on a news clip in which 6 guys were slaughtered like sheep.. it is not by gun shots.. BUT SLAUGHTERING people for their god...
    but my problem is with Saher  Baloch  you see here

    So I wanted get bit details on that news clip that SAHER BALOCH is talking about


    Rescue workers move one of six bodies found near a shrine in Gulshan-i-Maymar area from a hospital morgue in Karachi on January 7, 2014.

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    Mass slaughter in Karachi: 6 decapitated bodies found near shrine

    KARACHI:   Barely a week after tragedy struck Keenjhar Lake, following the discovery of five bodies near a mausoleum, another incident of mass killing was reported from the outskirts of Karachi. This time the bodies of six decapitated men were found. “In the note, Taliban claimed responsibility for the killings and threatened that those who visit shrines could meet the same fate,” said Station House Officer Samad Khan.
    The bodies were found in a mud-house close to the Ayub Shah Shrine situated on a hillock located in the deserted area on the north-eastern outskirts of the city.

    One of the custodians of the shrine, Jumman Shah Faqir found the bodies at around 11am when he returned to the place as per his routine. “With their slaughtered bodies, the mud-house was splattered with their blood,” he said...


    Bodies of six men with their throats slit, recovered near Karachi shrine



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    KARACHI: Six men were found with their throats slit at a shrine on the outskirts of Karachi on Tuesday accompanied by a note from militants.
    The bodies were found from a mud house adjacent to the Ayub Shah shrine in Gulshan-e-Maymar area with a note claiming to be from the Taliban. The note threatened that mete out similar fate to those visiting the shrine.

    Ayub Shah Shrine is located on a 125 feet hill in a deserted area in between Ahsanabad and Surjani. The area falls within the jurisdiction of Gulshan-e-Maymar of District West. Three of the victims were custodians of the shrine and were identified as Munawar, Saleem and Javed.

    Two others were identified as Ramzan and Abid and were visitors. A third visitor has yet to be identified. The visitors had stayed on after a five day Urs at the shrine concluded on Sunday.
    The victims were aged between 20 to 50 years. They were the residents of Khuda-ki-Basti, Ayub Goth and Lyari.




    well that is from here and that is the news Saher  Baloch was discussing in that article..

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #346 - January 12, 2014, 04:17 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFUWDbOuxY0

    Hard questions.. difficult to answer...

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #347 - January 14, 2014, 03:45 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wFYbwqyXqg

    well that is from 4th January 2014 and that fellow  is Maulana Sami Ul Haq

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    Maulana Sami ul Haq (Urdu: مولانا سمیع الحق‎, Samī‘u’l-Ḥaq; born December 18, 1937) is a Pakistani religious scholar and a politician. He is regarded as the "Father of the Taliban"  and has close ties to Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar. Sami ul Haq is currently the chancellor of Darul Uloom Haqqania, a Deobandi Islamic seminary which is the alma mater of many prominent Taliban members. Haq serves as chairman of the Difa-e-Pakistan Council and is the leader of his own faction of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam political party, known as JUI-S. Sami ul-Haq is also a founding member of Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal the creator of Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, a terrorist organization.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SL2cnUgBT8

    He was teacher of Mullah  Omar that ruled Afghanisthan and took it to 7th century.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6APGiFKYqk

    Oh well,   time never stops but Political Islam lives in the times it started the 7th century.,.



    great picture... I amnot sure Mr. Reagan said that ,, but who knows anything can happen in politics..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQKoyJ8KRh4

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #348 - January 18, 2014, 04:44 PM

    Pakistan becomes Islamic Republic
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     KARACHI: President Mohammad Ayub Khan has given his assent to the Constitution (First Amendment) Bill, 1963, making the Fundamental Rights justiciable and changing the nomenclature of the State to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

    The new Act, which became operative from yesterday, enlarges the jurisdiction of the courts for the enforcement of the Fundamental Rights incorporated in the Constitution.

    The First Amendment to the Constitution, which was adopted by the National Assembly during its last session in Dacca, makes it obligatory on the part of the Advisory Council of Islamic Ideology to examine all laws with a view to bringing them “in conformity with the Holy Quran and Sunnah”. Furthermore, the Council has to submit its progress report for each year to Parliament for scrutiny.

    In the Principles of Policy of the Constitution, a new principle has been added which lays down that no law shall be repugnant to the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and Sunnah.  

     Well THAT IS NOT TODAY'S NEWS.. it was the news of the day 50 YEARS AGO
    fools should have left those 14 point constitution of Pakistan alone instead of making it "ISLAMIC REPUBLIC".    

    Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah   after consulting the Muslim leaders formulated the "Fourteen Points" for safeguarding the rights and interests of the Muslims in any future constitution of the country. Here are these 14 points:

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    -The form of the future constitution should be Federal, with the residuary power vested in the provinces.

    -A Uniform measure of the autonomy shall be granted to all provinces.

    -All legislatures in the country and other elected bodies shall be constituted on the definite principle of adequate and effective representation of minorities in every province without reducing the majority in any province to minority or even equality.

    -In the Central legislature Muslim representation shall not be less than one third.

    -Representation of the communal groups shall continue to be by separate electorates provided that it shall be open to any community at any time to abandon its separate electorate in favor of the joint electorates.

    -Any terrestrial redistribution that might at any time be necessary shall not in any way affect the Muslim majority in Punjab, Bengal and NWF Province.

    -Full religious liberty that is liberty of belief, worship and observance, propaganda, association and education shall be guaranteed to all communities.

    -No bill or resolution or any part thereof shall be passed in any legislature or any other elected body if three fourth of the members of any community in that particular body oppose it being injurious to that of the community.

    -Sind should be separated from the Bombay Presidency.

    -Reforms should be made in the NWF Province and Baluchistan.

    - Provision should be made in the Constitution giving Muslims an adequate share along with the other Indians in all the services of the State and Local self Governing bodies having due regard to the requirements of efficiency.

    -The Constitution should embody adequate safeguards to the protection of the Muslim Culture, education, language, religion, personal laws, and Muslim charitable institutions. They should get their due share in grant-in-aid.

    -No cabinet, either central or provincial, should be formed without there being at least one third of the Muslim Ministers.

    -No change shall be made in the constitution by the Central legislature except with the concurrence of the states constituting the Indian Federation.

    those 14 points would have been  good enough to safe guard Islam and Muslim community and become a progressive Muslim majority country by this time.  Oh well time never stops..

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #349 - January 18, 2014, 05:43 PM

    I am fond of the "reforms should be made in the NWFP". What reforms were those? Was that the "pretend it does not exist" reform? Or was it the "let us make a huge dam and then wash the entire province away" reform?

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #350 - January 18, 2014, 05:54 PM

    I am fond of the "reforms should be made in the NWFP". What reforms were those?........


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1mtE0GAAT8

    when women can fly F-16., women can rule that country and women can work in every sphere competing in politics.. in police.. in educational institutes and in every place.. Just PUT ALL THOSE  GODDAMN ISLAMIC BABOONS WITH BEARDS IN BURQA and make them cook and and look after kids and never come out of home for next 20 years..  that reform will change the society...

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #351 - January 18, 2014, 11:01 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcKS9JPSfCg

    well that is history ... but could repeat again in different parts of the world

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #352 - January 21, 2014, 07:48 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcKS9JPSfCg

    well that is history ... but could repeat again in different parts of the world

     Yap that is history and this is today..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZlHIlUXPUQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NPCFLT62fI

    Sheikh Rasheed shouts and shouts and shouts.. no one cares..

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #353 - January 23, 2014, 01:27 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5jvlX6s7DU

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #354 - January 27, 2014, 12:21 AM

    Chaudhry Aslam  Of  Karachi....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il0Pq0RkhxY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mn76-dYfJM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXnuYB-G1-w

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #355 - January 28, 2014, 12:59 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FravWnRsnxw

    stupid dramas and kids   get caught in the middle for a emotional roller coaster. Add Nuclear weapons to this every day JINGOISM .. one day we will have what we are dreaming for folks..

    The evolution of South Asia’s nuclear powers by   Henry Srebrnik

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    While much of the world’s attention these days is focused on Iran’s nuclear program, it should not be forgotten that its eastern neighbours, Pakistan and India, South Asia’s two largest countries and long-time enemies, both are nuclear-armed states.


    India is not a party to the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and tested what it called a “peaceful nuclear explosive” in 1974. The test was the first after the creation of the NPT, and India’s secret development of nuclear weaponry, using civilian nuclear technology, caused great concern and anger from nations such as Canada, that had supplied its nuclear reactors for peaceful and power generating needs.

    Indian officials had rejected the NPT in the 1960s on the grounds that it created a world of nuclear “haves” and “have-nots.” The Indian position asserted that the NPT was in many ways a neo-colonial regime designed to deny security to post-colonial powers.

    Even after its 1974 test, India maintained that its nuclear capability was primarily “peaceful,” but in 1998 India tested weaponized nuclear warheads, including a thermonuclear device. Today, India is estimated to have up to 100 nuclear warheads.

    In 2008, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) approved an agreement with India under which the agency gained access to India’s civilian nuclear reactors. As a result, India was granted a waiver allowing it to access civilian nuclear technology and fuel from other countries, including the United States. Both President George W. Bush and his successor Barack Obama have agreed that the world’s largest democracy is a responsible nuclear power.

    The IAEA’s Director General, Yukiya Amano visited India last March to hear from Indian policy makers, scientists, researchers and engineers on developments in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy.

    But India is also expanding its ability to produce highly enriched uranium for military purposes, including more powerful nuclear weapons, according to a U.S.-based think tank that cited satellite imagery taken last April of a gas centrifuge facility under construction at the Rare Materials Plant near Mysore in Karnataka.

    The Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) published a report in 2013 stating that this new facility “could significantly increase India’s ability to produce highly enriched uranium for military purposes, including more powerful nuclear weapons.”

    Pakistan, too, is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and built its first nuclear power plant near Karachi with equipment and materials supplied mainly by western nations in the early 1970s. Pakistani Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto had promised in 1965 that if India built nuclear weapons then Pakistan would too, “even if we have to eat grass.”

    In 1998, Pakistan conducted its first six nuclear tests at the Chagai Hills, in response to the five tests conducted by India a few weeks before. In 2004, the Pakistani metallurgist A.Q. Khan, a key figure in Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, confessed to having sold gas centrifuge technology to North Korea, Iran, and Libya, though he denied complicity by the Pakistani government or army.

    “Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal probably consists of approximately 90 to 110 nuclear warheads, although it could be larger,” according to a report released last year by the Congressional Research Service (CRS), an independent research wing of the U.S. Congress. “Islamabad is producing fissile material, adding to related production facilities, and deploying additional delivery vehicles. These steps could enable Pakistan to undertake both quantitative and qualitative improvements to its nuclear arsenal,” the report said.

    Given Pakistan’s chronic instability there is always the danger that such weapons could conceivably fall into the hands of Islamist extremist groups should the country implode.

    As Robert Kagan noted in his book “The Revenge of Geography,” published in 2012, “A state like Pakistan can have weapons of mass destruction, even as it can barely provide municipal services and protect its population from suicide bombers.”

    As well, any conflict with India over disputed Kashmir could easily touch off a major conflagration.

    Henry Srebrnik is a professor of political science at the University of Prince Edward Island.

     and that article from last week.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0rvc5utVD8

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #356 - January 29, 2014, 01:47 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOnwzBDczz4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpYDsRC8xRc

    i watch that and I watch this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aZfRv2GqaQ

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #357 - January 30, 2014, 03:40 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHQG-SGw-o

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #358 - February 01, 2014, 10:09 PM

    Taliban leaders want Imran Khan, 4 clerics to represent TTP in talks  says news



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    ISLAMABAD: The outlawed terrorist outfit, Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), has proposed a five-member team, comprising four clerics and a politician, to hold peace talks with the government on its behalf, Geo News reported Saturday.
     
    "TTP wants Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Sami (JUI-S) chief Maulana Samiul Haq, Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam cleric Mufti Kifayatullah, Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) leader Professor Ibrahim, Lal Masjid’s Maulana Abdul Aziz, and Chairman Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf Imran Khan to be part of their team", TTP spokeman Shahidullah Shahid told Geo News program "Capital Talk" anchor, Hamid Mir over the telephone.
     
    Hamid Mir, who is a senior journalist, also quoted Shahidullah Shahid as denying that TTP wanted the aforementioned proposed mediators to be part of the government’s team constituted to negotiate peace with Taliban.
     
    "Lately, some satellite news channels aired a report claiming TTP has demanded these dignitaries should be in the government team, which is misleading and groundless. We never asked them for that, instead we proposed these names for a panel, which would represent TTP", Shahidullah Shahid told Hamid Mir.
     
    Mir also revealed that JI's Professor Ibrahim had confirmed to him that he was contacted by the TTP for the same over the phone.
     
    "I have been requested to represent Taliban in Pakistan-TTP parleys", Mir quoted Ibrahim as saying. Professor Ibrahim also told Hamid Mir that his top brass had allowed him to play a mediator's role in the peace talks. "I will only act as a Salis-e-Khair (intermediary for a good cause). That's it."
     
    On the other hand, PTI leader Imran Khan said he would decide on it in a high-level party meeting scheduled for Monday.
     
    "I have no clear idea about this development, however, I have full faith in the government's peace talks committee. I suggest TTP choose its representatives from among its own leadership", said he.
     
    JUI-S's Maulana Samiul Haq reserved his decision for now.
     
    "My decision will wait until things become clear", said Maulana Sami.
     
    Other proposed team members have yet not come up with a confirmation whether they are ready to represent Tailban in talks.


    well 4 beards one clean shaved.. Hope they come some sort agreement with these brutes of Islam..

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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #359 - February 02, 2014, 11:12 AM

    Four mindsets of Pakistan_Dr Farrukh Saleem  Sunday, February 02, 2014

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    A mindset is a   “fixed mental attitude or disposition that predetermines a person’s responses to and interpretations of situations.” In essence, a mindset is a “set of assumptions, methods or notations held by one or more people or groups of people.”

    Here are three facts. Fact 1: Over 2003-2014 fatalities in terrorist violence in Pakistan stand at 50,943. Fact 2: Over 2002-2014, there have been a total of 390 suicide attacks. Fact 3: Over 2001-2014, there have been a total of 4,754 bomb blasts. What does a Pakistani mind make out of the above facts? Within the Pakistani society, both civil and military, there exist four mindsets – conspiratorial, strategic, appeasement and clear.

    The conspiratorial mindset is convinced that whatever is happening in Pakistan is all American/Indian/Zionist doing. The strategic mindset is bent upon containing the TTP (considered anti-Pakistan) and protecting the Afghan Taliban (considered ‘strategic assets’).

    The appeasement mindset desires to contain violence against the state of Pakistan by offering concessions to the perpetrators of violence. And, the clear mindset is convinced that the state of Pakistan must have monopoly over the use of physical force over every square kilometre of Pakistan’s 796,095 square kilometres.

    The dominant mindset within our civil society is the conspiratorial mindset while the dominant mindset within the military top brass is the strategic mindset (contain TTP, protect Afghan Taliban). Our political leaders continue to sell whatever is the easiest to sell which happens to be the conspiratorial mindset. Our military high command, in the meanwhile, remains glued to the strategic mindset with or without doing a cost-benefit analysis of alternatives.

    Within the Pakistani society, both civil and military, there also exists an appeasement mindset. Political adherents of the appeasement mindset remain convinced that appeasement can somehow contain violence. Uniformed adherents of the appeasement mindset, however, seem to have learnt their lesson from a string of failed peace agreements.

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    For the record, we are in a state of war. And we need to win this war; whether this is our war or not is really irrelevant at this stage. To be certain, the war is being fought at three levels – the physical battlefield, mental combat and moral combat. Mental combat is about two things – the ‘will to fight’ and the ‘belief in victory’. Moral combat is about ‘whose side is God on’. Unless we win at all three levels it cannot be a complete victory.

    A conspiratorial mindset weakens the ‘will to fight’. An appeasement mindset weakens the ‘belief in victory’. A strategic mindset can surely beat the TTP on the physical battlefield but ends up strengthening the forces whose goal is to replace Pakistan’s democracy with a medieval form of Khilafat (a “TTP-Afghan Taliban handshake” according to Sartaj Aziz). Remember, unless Pakistan wins at all three levels – physical, mental and moral-it cannot be a complete victory.

    Of the major political players, the PPP, while in power, was focused on the ‘monetary mindset’ and now out of power is inching closer to the clear mindset. The PTI and the JI are the flag-bearers of the conspiratorial mindset. The PML-N represents the appeasement mindset while the GHQ is full of strategic mindsets.

    Someone intelligent once said, “In war there is no substitute for victory.”


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OHA9anqQY8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWvqypzkBC0

    The return of Masood Azhar  that article is from today's news paper

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