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  • Question: Niqabs/Burqa should be..
  • Allowed - 12 (23.5%)
  • Partially Banned - 23 (45.1%)
  • Banned - 16 (31.4%)
  • Total Voters: 51

 Topic: Ban Niqab?

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  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #240 - July 17, 2010, 06:46 PM
    Quote from: Heyjustlooking on July 17, 2010, 06:45 PM
    I agree, it's not for us to say whether that person should or shouldn't know what they are supporting - that's their choice.


     clap

    Well said and agree
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #241 - July 17, 2010, 06:49 PM
    You can, sure. But no one should ever do that.

    You guys are applauding for someone to stand for something they don't even know?

    Maybe I'm just wrong but that is stupid.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #242 - July 17, 2010, 06:51 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 06:49 PM
    You can, sure. But no one should ever do that.

    You guys are applauding for someone to stand for something they don't even know?

    Maybe I'm just wrong but that is stupid.


    Qalbi you are not going to make them realise by forcing it away from them. 
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #243 - July 17, 2010, 06:52 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 06:49 PM
    You guys are applauding for someone to stand for something they don't even know?



    Oh I'm so sorry I was under the impression that you have not met every single niqab wearer. But clearly we are mistaken and you have to come out with such a statement.

     
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #244 - July 17, 2010, 06:57 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 17, 2010, 06:51 PM
    Qalbi you are not going to make them realise by forcing it away from them. 


    True. Hence why I said they need to read history. It's not only with banning of the niqab do I agree with but I also want them to be educated.

    Meredith - Of course I haven't met every single niqabi just like you. No one has. But if they were to really, and I mean really do research on face veiling and how it came about - and Islam in general they wouldn't even think of wearing that. They can't be afraid of seeking knowledge. We have to discard the idea of the burqa being a choice.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #245 - July 17, 2010, 06:58 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 06:57 PM
    They can't be afraid of seeking knowledge. We have to discard the idea of the burqa being a choice.


    And you think singling out those who wear it and basically ripping it away from them by force will make them change their minds?
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #246 - July 17, 2010, 07:01 PM
    Again, I said education must be given to them. And no one is ripping it off of them.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #247 - July 17, 2010, 07:02 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 07:01 PM
    Again, I said education must be given to them. And no one is ripping it off of them.


    I beg to differ.
    What is banning if it is not forcing them to not wear it?
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #248 - July 17, 2010, 07:02 PM
    You know, when I'm older I'm going to make a conference like thin among niqabis. Sister to sister. And I will try to get speakers and all and try to answer their questions, educate them, etc. I have a plan.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #249 - July 17, 2010, 07:02 PM
    Quote from: Meredith on July 17, 2010, 06:46 PM
    clap

    Well said and agree


    Yep, the ban doesn't make sense to me. I mean I don't like the Niqab but the government can't infringe on another's right unless it is a threat to the security of the majority but then we're getting into another reason for the ban which is one I'm more inclined to consider.

    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 06:49 PM
    You can, sure. But no one should ever do that.

    You guys are applauding for someone to stand for something they don't even know?

    Maybe I'm just wrong but that is stupid.


    I can understand you passion against the niqab but that's the woman's choice. We are not applauding but merely recognising her right to wear it. You can't tell people how to think - basic principle of freedom. We need to win these women over via debate.
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #250 - July 17, 2010, 07:03 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 06:57 PM
    True. Hence why I said they need to read history. It's not only with banning of the niqab do I agree with but I also want them to be educated.


    And you they are necessarily going to accept what you teach them.  They do not accept scientifically backed facts if it contradicts Islam.  They most probably dismiss it as Western propaganda.  Were you ever told the story of the sun and wind as a child?


    ]
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #251 - July 17, 2010, 07:03 PM
    Ripping someone's clothes off and not allowing them to wear something are two different things.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #252 - July 17, 2010, 07:04 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 07:02 PM
    You know, when I'm older I'm going to make a conference like thin among niqabis. Sister to sister. And I will try to get speakers and all and try to answer their questions, educate them, etc. I have a plan.


    That's different... it would have a better chance of working without the ban.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #253 - July 17, 2010, 07:05 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 07:03 PM
    Ripping someone's clothes off and not allowing them to wear something are two different things.


    The ban is doing that metaphorically.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #254 - July 17, 2010, 07:05 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 17, 2010, 07:03 PM
    And you they are necessarily going to accept what you teach them.  They do not accept scientifically backed facts if it contradicts Islam.  They most probably dismiss it as Western propaganda.  Were you ever told the story of the sun and wind as a child?


    ]


    No, I was never told that story... I think. You're right. I even dismissed it as Western propaganda. I admit that.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #255 - July 17, 2010, 07:06 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 07:03 PM
    Ripping someone's clothes off and not allowing them to wear something are two different things.


    I beg to differ.
    Still forcing one, may as well rip it off them.

    Oh and would you look? Just as we was discussing ripping it off individuals.
    I find that France had its first "burka rage" where now a member of public felt it was her right to rip iff the niqab off another citizen.

    That is the way to get them to stop wearing  Afro
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7735607/France-has-first-burka-rage-incident.html

    Good job on increasing racial tensions France. Way to get Muslims integrated further into mainstream. Target and pick on them.
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #256 - July 17, 2010, 07:14 PM
    Lol. That's nice, Meredith. I would never rip a woman's burqa off. I would never rip anything off anyone. It is her so called "right" to wear a garbage bag by all means. What that lawyer did is physical assault. I kind of change my mind a little. We should educate them rather than ban the burqa HOWEVER I am still 100% against the burqa.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #257 - July 17, 2010, 07:20 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 07:14 PM
    Lol. That's nice, Meredith. I would never rip a woman's burqa off. I would never rip anything off anyone. It is her so called "right" to wear a garbage bag by all means. What that lawyer did is physical assault. I kind of change my mind a little. We should educate them rather than ban the burqa HOWEVER I am still 100% against the burqa.


    Hell I'm not a Muslim but If I'm annoyed at this ban. Imagine how Muslims feel about it. I wouldn't be surprised if wearers go up.

    Then we agree.
    I have no problem with education. I'm against a ban
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #258 - July 17, 2010, 07:21 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 07:14 PM
    Lol. That's nice, Meredith. I would never rip a woman's burqa off. I would never rip anything off anyone. It is her so called "right" to wear a garbage bag by all means. What that lawyer did is physical assault. I kind of change my mind a little. We should educate them rather than ban the burqa HOWEVER I am still 100% against the burqa.


    Exactly. Afro
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #259 - July 17, 2010, 07:22 PM
    I know Muslims who are for the ban.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #260 - July 17, 2010, 07:23 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 07:22 PM
    I know Muslims who are for the ban.


    And I also know Muslims who hate this ban.
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #261 - July 17, 2010, 07:24 PM
    By educating them and making them realize the face-veiling stands for, they will ultimately ban it themselves Wink inshaAllah
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #262 - July 17, 2010, 07:25 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 07:24 PM
    By educating them and making them realize the face-veiling stands for, they will ultimately ban it themselves Wink inshaAllah


    Well said and agree  Afro
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #263 - July 17, 2010, 07:30 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 07:22 PM
    I know Muslims who are for the ban.


    Ye, I think it was Muslim woman in French parliament who was for this as well because she believed the Niqab was a detriment to Muslim women but it's irrelevant now. The ban is the wrong thing and there are probably many more who are against it.

    As Meredith said, the implications for social cohesion are not good. France is already in dire circumstances with its already alienated French Muslim population especially the youth. The timing could not have been worse.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #264 - July 17, 2010, 07:42 PM
    Quote from: DARKEYED9 on July 17, 2010, 07:24 PM
    By educating them and making them realize the face-veiling stands for, they will ultimately ban it themselves Wink inshaAllah


    I disagree. It stands for whatever the wearers want it to stand for. Sure, a lot of niqab wearers are forced to wear it. But those who are forced to wear it don't need to be educated as to what it stands for. If you tell them it stands for oppression, you won't have told them anything they didn't know already. If you try to educate somebody who chose to wear it, by telling them it stands for oppression, they'll tell you that they condemn forcing women to wear it but she chose to wear it herself.

    So what's plan B?
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #265 - July 17, 2010, 08:01 PM
    I know where I've seen you before, J4.  It was in the Peoples' front for Judea . Or wait a minute, maybe it was in The Judean Peoples' Front.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #266 - July 17, 2010, 08:04 PM
    Dunno what you're talking about but doesn't matter I don't care.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #267 - July 17, 2010, 08:08 PM
    its from Monty pyhon -  look it up
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  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #268 - July 17, 2010, 09:07 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on July 17, 2010, 07:42 PM
    I disagree. It stands for whatever the wearers want it to stand for. Sure, a lot of niqab wearers are forced to wear it. But those who are forced to wear it don't need to be educated as to what it stands for. If you tell them it stands for oppression, you won't have told them anything they didn't know already. If you try to educate somebody who chose to wear it, by telling them it stands for oppression, they'll tell you that they condemn forcing women to wear it but she chose to wear it herself.

    So what's plan B?


    If you think that's all I'll say... "oppression" then you're wrong. Oppression isn't the only thing.
  • Re: Ban Niqab?
     Reply #269 - July 17, 2010, 09:36 PM
    it was not my intent to start an arguement with anyone.  i was
    pointing things out from my perspective, as the poll and question
    asked,  geez.
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
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