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 Topic: How I Left Islam

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  • Re: How I Left Islam
     Reply #60 - March 18, 2010, 05:24 PM

    lol
  • Re: How I Left Islam
     Reply #61 - March 21, 2010, 06:57 PM

    Great story Moe. It reminded me of what I went through.
  • Re: How I Left Islam
     Reply #62 - August 02, 2011, 07:31 PM

    Moe,
    The questions you have mentioned in the beginning of your story are almost same as every Muslim think of. I have compiled a list of questions that I have posted to many different forums..but didn't get satisfactory answer for any of them....

    Disbelief doesn't justify getting tortured in eternal hell
  • Re: How I Left Islam
     Reply #63 - August 13, 2011, 03:53 AM

    I know some people here were waiting for me to tell my story, so here it goes!
          I was interested in learning about other religions since I was 11 years old, mainly because I used to like reading fantasy stories, especially the ones that some people actually believe in. So when I was 11, used to read stuff in the internet whenever I was bored, and the first weird shit I read about was said to be satanism... really turned out to be some sort of sick religion where people sacrifice other people and carve some wicca star on the chest of the victims, they have sex in coffins, and say the devil told them to... Now I was 11, so I was like 'WOOOAAAH!'. From that day I started reading about other faiths, and got to read about the REAL Satanism, which was actually a philosophy.
          When I turned 12, my family moved back to Saudi (in Jeddah and Taif). I lived close to a younger cousin of mine who's dad was a religious freak. This kid told me a lot of stuff in Islam that my parents never taught me before, like music is haram, Gog and Magog (he told me a really fucked up story about them), that pictures of people and animals was haram.
    Over the years in Jeddah and Taif, I kept asking religious teachers a lot of questions, like:
    - Predestination: what about the people who are bound to die as unbelievers? Isn't that unfair?
    - Mohammed's marriage to Aisha: even if they were 'meant to be', why at a very young age?
    - Priority: What about a non-muslim person was very nice and kind during his/her life, and dies without converting to Islam?
    - why did god create us only to test us?
    ...and many many more. But I was still very religious at that time.
    I came back to Canada right a month before my 17th birthday, and started 12th grade there. I was suffering from depression a social anxiety, so I mostly stayed at home just reading from the internet.
          One day I was browsing some Islamic stuff on youtube. The first time I knew about Bill Maher was when I saw him arguing with Mos Def on Real time. The guy who posted the clip wanted to show how a Muslim like Mos Def 'wins' against a non-beleiver like Bill, to prove how flawless Islam is. I was like "Yes! We always win!'. But I would sometimes go back to this clip and watch it again (a boring habit I do), and I noticed it was actually the other way around, Mos Def wasn't able to defend Islam. I Became more interested in Bill Maher, and watched his comedy standup, which led me to discover George Carlin. I was really interested in what they say about religion. And it started out with me thinking "Even though I'm a muslim, this guy does kinda make a point here..."... the more 'points' I heard them make, the more unsure I became about my faith. I started to watch documentaries and debates about religion and atheism. And when I took 12th grade biology (which I dropped out), I learned what evolution really was.
          I stayed one more year in high school to take extra courses. Once in gym class, 2 guys asked me if I really believed in Islam, I said yes. "So you actually believe in 72 virgins in heaven?" Dammit! I knew that Islam was useless if I didn't believe in everything it says, so I said....."yes". While I was walking back home after school I was yelling to myself in my head "WHY AM I STILL BELIEVING IN ALL THIS?"...it was fear, fear that I might be wrong if I stopped believing. But I didn't didn't like lying to myself, I had to admit inside that I was seeing something wrong here. I recalled everything I ever learned from the books and articles I have read, from the debates, speeches, and documentaries I have seen. In my last day of being a muslim, I had to ask myself this question: "What if I was born and raised in another faith, would I see Islam as something unique, special and different from the others, and thus convert?" I had to think about it for a long time to give myself an honest answer...."No" I said. If I cant agree to everything in Islam, then there is no point in believing it. And if it was man who created religion, it was also man who created God. And I suddenly became an atheist, without going through deism or anything in the process.

    There you have it folks! I tried to keep the story as short as possible, so as not to bore you with too many details. Hope you enjoyed reading it!
    Questions? Comments?


    Before I start this post and the content it contains are not to mock you or anyone on this forum but are rather questions that I need to ask for my self
    Hey, I am Agnostic, and I just found out about this forum and this is my first post so I don't want to get rude.


    But I think Mohamed married that girl when she was 17-19( I found a link with "proof)
    And don't people who don't know about the Islam or are born ( or get a) with a mental disease immediately go to heaven?
    Also where does it say that you get 72 virgins in the Quran ( I honestly don't know since I never really read it)
    Have you ever read anything about Islam it self or did you watch videos of people defending or mocking religion in general.

    Once again This is not to re-convert you, this is all for my self, I need a better understanding of going from Islam to Atheism.

     thnkyu
  • Re: How I Left Islam
     Reply #64 - August 13, 2011, 04:57 AM

    Before I start this post and the content it contains are not to mock you or anyone on this forum but are rather questions that I need to ask for my self
    Hey, I am Agnostic, and I just found out about this forum and this is my first post so I don't want to get rude.


    But I think Mohamed married that girl when she was 17-19( I found a link with "proof)
    And don't people who don't know about the Islam or are born ( or get a) with a mental disease immediately go to heaven?
    Also where does it say that you get 72 virgins in the Quran ( I honestly don't know since I never really read it)
    Have you ever read anything about Islam it self or did you watch videos of people defending or mocking religion in general.

    Once again This is not to re-convert you, this is all for my self, I need a better understanding of going from Islam to Atheism.

     thnkyu


    Link?

    Why do people who don't know go instantly to heaven and we have to be judged? Couldn't we all just be ignorant and led to heaven as well?
  • Re: How I Left Islam
     Reply #65 - August 13, 2011, 05:56 AM



    But I think Mohamed married that girl when she was 17-19( I found a link with "proof)

    Then post it.

    Quote
    Also where does it say that you get 72 virgins in the Quran ( I honestly don't know since I never really read it)

     
    Quote
    And (there will be) Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes, Like unto Pearls well-guarded. A Reward for the deeds of their past (life). (56:22-24)

    We have created (their Companions) of special creation, and made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), beloved (by nature), equal in age,- for the Companions of the Right Hand. (56:35-38)

    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/056.qmt.html#056.036

    Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires; Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; And voluptuous women of equal age;  And a cup full (to the brim

    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/078.qmt.html#078.033

    There are some more, these are the ones I could remember. I don't recall about reading any number specifically, though. That's probably a myth.
  • Re: How I Left Islam
     Reply #66 - August 13, 2011, 11:20 PM

    @The two posts above

    Link?

    Why do people who don't know go instantly to heaven and we have to be judged? Couldn't we all just be ignorant and led to heaven as well?

    Link?

    I can't send links so Google: Did prophet muhammad really marry a 9 year old , then chose the Sribd link ( the 6th one) ^_^ Reply to me if there are flaws in his "Theory" Thank you.

    Link:(Read above)
    Also I think that you got to heaven if you don't know about it but if you find out about it or someone introduces it to you you can't "Ignore" it.


    Then post it.

    I can't send links so Google: Did prophet muhammad really marry a 9 year old , then chose the Sribd link ( the 6th one) ^_^ Reply to me if there are flaws in his "Theory" Thank you

    Link:(read above)
    Virgins sound good to me haha, But it was probably just to seduce people into join his religion.... I am still a agnostic because I am in that " What if it is all true phase"
  • Re: How I Left Islam
     Reply #67 - August 14, 2011, 01:00 AM

    Edit: waste of time.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
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