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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #120 - October 30, 2010, 02:57 AM

Very interesting. I'll provide my details.

Name: Faiz
Country: UAE

3 reasons for leaving Islam:

1. The genocide of Banu Quraiza
2. The qadr and free-will paradox
3. Death penalty for leaving Islam

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Reply #121 - October 30, 2010, 09:23 AM

Quote from: Faiz on October 30, 2010, 02:57 AM
2. The qadr and free-will paradox

whats qadr?

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Reply #122 - October 30, 2010, 10:01 AM

I could never work that shit out either. Sometimes I thought I got close. I figured I was too dumb to grasp it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadr_(doctrine)

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Reply #123 - October 30, 2010, 11:17 AM

Quote from: IsLame on October 30, 2010, 09:23 AM
whats qadr?

The path Allah has already chosen for us and it is written down or something. Basically it says that when a person is born all of their life's future actions are already known by Allah. Sorta defeats the point of free will don't you think? And then all knowing Allah roasts us in Hell when he already KNOWS the outcome of our life.

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Reply #124 - October 30, 2010, 01:25 PM

^ it's very complicated , the best way to look at it is that for islam free will and "fate" , run together

so if you stole something it's your fault not fate

but if you got something beyond your grasps , like a big sum of money from some guy then it's "fate"
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Reply #125 - October 30, 2010, 11:38 PM

I don't see any contradiction between free will and predestination but then again I don't fully understand it. What doesn't make sense is predestination and the meaning of life. If life is just a test to see if you're going to be in Jannah or not and not but God already knows the results of this test through his omniscience, then what exactly is the meaning of life?

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Reply #126 - October 30, 2010, 11:44 PM

There's a lot of confusion between al-Qadr and Free Will for Muslims.
If you believe in God, there's conflict and confusion.
If you don't, then it makes complete sense. IMO
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Reply #127 - October 30, 2010, 11:56 PM

@GodIsNotGreat that's exactly the problem , because allah said that he knows the results but as the same time he say that fate doesn't determine whether you go to hell , it's all about your choices

there is one thing though , there are many verses where he say that he "blinds" the infidels hearts corrupting they're judgment which makes them commit evil acts not of they're choices

and there are verses where he "gives up" on people because they lost they're way one too many times , making recovery for them impossible

the bottom-line for me is that quran is the most contradicting piece of garbage ever , it even beats torah which has been written by many people
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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #128 - November 02, 2010, 06:16 PM

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1. no proof for allah AT ALL
2. too evil to worship even if he did exist
3. teaches immoral things

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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #129 - November 03, 2010, 01:41 AM

Quote from: GodIsNotGreat on October 30, 2010, 11:38 PM
I don't see any contradiction between free will and predestination but then again I don't fully understand it. What doesn't make sense is predestination and the meaning of life. If life is just a test to see if you're going to be in Jannah or not and not but God already knows the results of this test through his omniscience, then what exactly is the meaning of life?

My teacher for Islamic studies put it this way : Although Allah knows what you will decide and who will end up in heaven , etc , he does not compel you to do it (but he still knows that you will )

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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #130 - November 03, 2010, 02:39 AM

A great book about pre-destination: Slaughterhouse Five. One of my favourite books if not my favourite novel.

I think the idea of pre-destination is much nicer than the idea of free will, of course that alone is not a reason to believe in it.
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Reply #131 - November 03, 2010, 10:26 AM

Quote from: Eliphaz on November 03, 2010, 02:39 AM
A great book about pre-destination: Slaughterhouse Five. One of my favourite books if not my favourite novel.

Same! Love Kurt Vonnegut.

Quote from: Eliphaz on November 03, 2010, 02:39 AM
I think the idea of pre-destination is much nicer than the idea of free will, of course that alone is not a reason to believe in it.

Why nicer?

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Reply #132 - November 03, 2010, 10:32 AM

Quote from: laces on November 03, 2010, 01:41 AM
My teacher for Islamic studies put it this way : Although Allah knows what you will decide and who will end up in heaven , etc , he does not compel you to do it (but he still knows that you will )

Quote from: razi3l-0 on October 30, 2010, 11:56 PM
@GodIsNotGreat that's exactly the problem , because allah said that he knows the results but as the same time he say that fate doesn't determine whether you go to hell , it's all about your choices

there is one thing though , there are many verses where he say that he "blinds" the infidels hearts corrupting they're judgment which makes them commit evil acts not of they're choices

and there are verses where he "gives up" on people because they lost they're way one too many times , making recovery for them impossible

the bottom-line for me is that quran is the most contradicting piece of garbage ever , it even beats torah which has been written by many people

Yeah that was one of the things that I never could rationalise as a Muslim.

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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #133 - November 03, 2010, 10:43 AM

Quote from: GodIsNotGreat on November 03, 2010, 10:32 AM
Yeah that was one of the things that I never could rationalise as a Muslim.

Yeah, it made me so depressed when I couldn't make sense of it. And once I finally admitted to myself that there is no god, it was like "Zing! Everything finally makes sense!". It took a huge weight off my shoulders. Until existential depression kicked in.

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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #134 - November 10, 2010, 11:46 PM

Well hi,i'm savage,just testing stuff riight now,i'm a noob,some of you may "know" me "BD,BD,BD blah blah"
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Reply #135 - November 15, 2010, 12:19 AM

Quote from: laces on November 03, 2010, 01:41 AM
My teacher for Islamic studies put it this way : Although Allah knows what you will decide and who will end up in heaven , etc , he does not compel you to do it (but he still knows that you will )

i guess its like watching a film where u know exactly whats going to happen but still watch it for the sake of watching it
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Reply #136 - November 15, 2010, 12:32 AM

It's not like that.

It's more like a Director writing a script and us, the actors acting it out, and the Director punishing us for following the script. I think.

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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #137 - November 15, 2010, 03:37 AM

Hey you can add me to the Ex-Muslim list as well

Reason for leaving Islam? It goes almost EVERYTHING against what I personally stand for.. lack of womens rights, discrimination against minorities, more political than spiritual..bad human rights and it destroys a persons self esteem.

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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #138 - December 03, 2010, 09:40 PM

bold. WERE you a muslim? born/converted/reverted *blah!* etc.
what region of the world are you from and when did you decide all
this? Inquiring minds want to know! AND would you consider calling
Allah a wanker?

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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #139 - December 03, 2010, 10:03 PM

+1 - you can put it all by posting in a thread in the introductory section of the forum

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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #140 - December 25, 2010, 03:20 PM

Hi guys,

I'm newbie here, an ex muslim Atheist, 32 yo male from Indonesia.

Good to know you all and hope could make something real and actual fight against the intolerance.

HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASONS AND NEW YEAR 2011

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Reply #141 - December 25, 2010, 03:23 PM

Welcome Candu. Please make a thread about yourself in the intro section and tell us your story and how you became an ex muslim

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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #142 - December 25, 2010, 04:26 PM

Am i on the list?:

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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #143 - February 16, 2011, 06:19 PM

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1. impractical and incomprehendible teachings
2. inequality and degradation of women
3. incites racial segragation and violence among individuals
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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #144 - February 16, 2011, 06:22 PM

Quote from: Emkay on February 16, 2011, 06:19 PM
i would like to be on the atheist - ex muslim list

Sorry - the list is full - we're not taking any more Ex-Muslims.
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Reply #145 - February 16, 2011, 06:26 PM

Quote from: Hassan on February 16, 2011, 06:22 PM
Sorry - the list is full - we're not taking any more Ex-Muslims.

i hope that was a joke, i do not want to be known as member and make myself seem ambiguous,

i need to be know as an atheist!
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Reply #146 - February 16, 2011, 06:39 PM

Quote from: Emkay on February 16, 2011, 06:26 PM
i hope that was a joke, i do not want to be known as member and make myself seem ambiguous,

i need to be know as an atheist!

Sorry, but as I say, we are full and cannot accept any more Ex-Muslims. You will have to either return to Islam or select one of the other religious delusions to join.

Good luck and best wishes.

(just kidding - I'm sure an admi/mod will add you soon )
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Reply #147 - February 16, 2011, 06:40 PM

Name: Abdul
Country: pakistan
Age: 18

1. Contridicts and discourages science
2. immoral "death for apostasy" "against gay,women and equal rights"
3. Ignorace toward people with diffrent opiions of diffrent faiths or of not faith at all.

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Re: The ex-Muslims list
Reply #148 - February 16, 2011, 06:43 PM

Quote from: Hassan on February 16, 2011, 06:39 PM
Sorry, but as I say, we are full and cannot accept any more Ex-Muslims. You will have to either return to Islam or select one of the other religious delusions to join.

Good luck and best wishes.

(just kidding - I'm sure an admi/mod will add you soon )

omdaaaaiz i thought you were an admin! grrr im after you now!!
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Reply #149 - February 18, 2011, 03:51 PM

ok you can add me as ex-muslim too!!! More than proud to be on the list.

30 years old
from Holland
no current religion (agnostic)

three reasons why I stopped believing:
1) inhumanity in rulings: stoning, killing gays, apostates
2) treatment of women (up until paradise you are treated inferior, as your loving and caring husband who protected you as a diamond gets to have as many girls he wants to have fun with whereas you will be secluded as a pearl in guarded domes - can you imagine)
3) it's just not true, contradicted in many ways by science (evolutionary theory being the most important one)
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