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 Topic: Islamic Society at City University, London

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  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #30 - March 16, 2010, 08:35 PM

    Thanks for the information guys on Salafis.  However if the 3 first generations are the golden ones - this would correspond to when Islam was able to expand from Europe to India within 100 years of Prophet Mohammed's death - so could this be the reason why jihad is so important to these people. I know there are rewards for converting people, etc but some muslims are very tolerent whilst others are hell bent on converting the whole world.


    Humanity usually over comes dogma in most human beings.
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #31 - March 16, 2010, 08:36 PM

    Quote
    Thanks for the information guys on Salafis.  However if the 3 first generations are the golden ones - this would correspond to when Islam was able to expand from Europe to India within 100 years of Prophet Mohammed's death - so could this be the reason why jihad is so important to these people. I know there are rewards for converting people, etc but some muslims are very tolerent whilst others are hell bent on converting the whole world


    Look at it this way. The Salafis believe that Islam is under threat from outside and from within. A process of purification needs to take place, conceived of as a return to the bare bones of Islam, in order to regain that purity.

    This 'jehad' is against Muslims who need to be brought into line, and against non Muslims in wider society, simultaneously.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #32 - March 16, 2010, 08:50 PM

    stuff like this embarrassed me as a muslim, now it embarrasses me as a human


    lol haha same here. I don't have too many Muslim friends because of the school i went to but I'm glad in a sense because the ones I do have are moderate and sensible. I sympathise for them in a sense because they are possibly victimised and just as much as other religious minorities by these wannabe jihadis. Lack of education is not the problem, it's the relentless indoctrination of nominal muslims and children which is causing this formidable uprising of the younger Salafi movement here in the UK.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #33 - March 16, 2010, 10:41 PM

    Thanks for the information guys on Salafis.  However if the 3 first generations are the golden ones - this would correspond to when Islam was able to expand from Europe to India within 100 years of Prophet Mohammed's death - so could this be the reason why jihad is so important to these people. I know there are rewards for converting people, etc but some muslims are very tolerent whilst others are hell bent on converting the whole world.


    No, I think it is a mistake to only see things in light of jihad and domination, even though those two things are a big part of salafi thinking (lol thinking).  The simple reason the salaf us salih are seen as special and more holy than others is that the first had a direct line to Mo, the second were the companions of his companions, and the third were their children.  Or more accurately, b/c someone (likely someone from the third generation) claimed that Mo blabbered this one day and that's the explanation that's been dreamed up to go with it.  Just speaking from the point of view of an orthodox sunni Muslim, though, and one who  used to be close to salafiyoon, it's their closesness to the Mo-meister that makes them special, not their penchant for jihad.  It is their closeness to the "original message, uncontanminated by bidaa and culture" that made them passionate for jihad, in the minds of these types of "scholars.

    There are other hadith that say things like that the generations in the end times are super special b/c in these times (and we are considered in the end times, which the ulemaa have been saying for at least 1000  yrs now, so allah is really taking his time with this)... the people who "keep their iman in the end times" occupy a special position because to be faithful in our times is like holding a hot coal.  And then there is the saying that every century there is a renewer of some sort, and that the people of his time are also super-duper special.  Islam is full of special snowflakes, when it gets right down to it.  I think that's the carrot of Islam, to make people feel good about themselves instead of "Aw, well if the best people already came before me, then why aren't I having a nice cold beer?"

    [this space for rent]
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #34 - March 18, 2010, 02:51 PM


    Notice the imperialist impulse of extremist Islam.

    From the Times Higher Education:


    +++++++


    Muslim students continue street protest over closure of prayer room

    16 March 2010

    By Melanie Newman

    Alternative shared accommodation offered but rejected as ‘unacceptable’. Melanie Newman reports

    Hundreds of Muslim students have been holding prayers outside City University London for a month in protest at the closure of a prayer room used exclusively by them.

    The students declare that “multi-faith” alternatives are unacceptable because “a vast number of Muslim scholars throughout history believe it is impermissible for Muslims to offer prayers in a place where [a god] other than our Lord, Allah, is worshipped”.

    In an open letter, the protesters also point out that the multi-faith room can accommodate only 40 people, which is too small for the number of Muslims who need to pray at least three times per day.

    All-male groups have been praying on the pavement outside City since 15 February, with more than 200 reportedly turning up for Friday prayers in Northampton Square.

    The protest follows a fight between members of the City Islamic Society and a gang of youths last November outside the Gloucester building in Whiskin Street which previously housed the Muslim prayer room.

    Police described the attack, in which two students were stabbed, as racially aggravated. Earlier the same week, students reported being pelted with stones as they left the room.

    As a result of the incidents, the university closed the room and set up temporary multi-faith facilities in a different building. The students want the previous room reopened.

    “We would like to think that there is an amicable rapport between all faiths and societies at the university,” the letter says. “But, if circumstances arise – which they inevitably will – that each society has to restrict its time in the multi-faith rooms to accommodate other societies to the detriment of their beliefs and practices, naturally, there will be a breakdown of good relations.”

    A university spokeswoman said the new room had been set up in consultation with Muslim scholars and was “in line with what many other higher education institutes are providing”.

    “Practice in other universities shows that many Muslims pray where others have been – City has already seen its new space used by some of its Muslim students,” she said. City’s great hall was available for Friday prayers, she added.

    Fran Singh, editor of The Inquirer, City’s student newspaper, said most students – Muslim and non-Muslim – backed the protests. “I think the stance the university has taken is partly in response to complaints that they have let the Islamic Society have their own way for too long for fear of being branded as discriminatory,” she said. “They are trying to take a tough line but are somewhat missing the point.”

    Relations between the City University Islamic Society members and other student groups have been strained since last year, when the society invited cleric Abu Usamah to a fundraising event.

    The preacher featured in a Channel 4 documentary, Undercover Mosque, in 2007, in which he said homosexuals should be “thrown off a mountain” and labelled women intellectually deficient.

    The Inquirer ran an article and editorial criticising the society for inviting Mr Usamah.

    In its response, also published by the paper, the society warns The Inquirer and City staff to “submit to Allah” or face “severe and painful punishment” in the “next life”.

    A second response, from anonymous Muslim students at City, points out that “male chauvinists are everywhere” and asks non-Muslims to “take a critical look at the myriad media reports of angry Muslims shouting ‘death to the infidels’. There are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, and if Islam advocated violence and sexism, the whole world would be up in flames by now,” they write.

    City’s Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Society also demanded an apology from Julius Weinberg, acting vice-chancellor, for allowing Mr Usamah on to campus.

    Professor Weinberg said he had since reviewed the way the university vets its speakers. He said: “It is not appropriate for the university to hold speaker meetings where there is segregation by gender, as this is not consistent with the university values statement.”


    http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=410874&c=1



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #35 - March 18, 2010, 02:54 PM


    Imagine that - the Islamic Society publishes a warning in the University student newspaper for all of the staff, lecturers, teachers, everyone at the University to convert to Islam - or face the consequences.

    How can you co-exist with people like this? How is it possible to share your college, university, school, workplace, your streets, your society, with inverted, spitting, snarling, sadistic, bigoted, supremacist scum like this?


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #36 - March 18, 2010, 03:00 PM

    How can you co-exist with people like this? How is it possible to share your college, university, school, workplace, your streets, your society, with inverted, spitting, snarling, sadistic, bigoted, supremacist scum like this?


    Its happened to other nations as & when their Muslim populations increased or when the "nominal Muslims," in the furthest corners of the Islamic world-like Malaysia, gradually became more familiar with Islam.

    It sometimes takes the extreme form of non Muslims fleeing such lands en masse, & the nation becoming majority Muslim from minority Muslim. Like the flight of Lebanese Maronite Christians from Lebanon.

    Many other nations have had to co exist with such Muslim bigots-as the Muslim population of many Western nations rise, they face the same issues.  bunny


    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #37 - March 18, 2010, 03:10 PM




    Rosie Waterhouse: Universities must take action on Muslim extremism

    The writer is the director of the MA in investigative journalism at City University London.

    Thursday, 18 March 2010

    One cold lunchtime at City University London, 100 male Muslim students were praying in rows on the ground. Above on a balcony, a dozen female Muslim students, dressed in black and wearing the niqab – a veil covering their face apart from their eyes – handed out leaflets. These said they were demonstrating because the university had allocated a "multi-faith" space as their new prayer room. "It is impermissible for Muslims to offer prayers in a place where other than our Lord, Allah, is worshipped", it said.

    The site of their prayer room was changed late last year after a group of Muslim students was attacked by local youths, in what police said was a racist incident after leaving their former prayer room. The lunchtime protest was the latest in a series of events staged by City's Islamic Society in the past year which has brought them into conflict with university authorities.

    In April 2009, organisers invited three radical Islamist preachers to address the society's annual dinner, with the "brothers" and "sisters" segregated, and the latter forbidden to ask questions. One preacher, Anwar al-Awlaki , was to speak by video-link from Yemen, because he is banned from Britain for alleged links to terrorists. But the then vice-chancellor Malcolm Gilles intervened and the video-link was banned.

    After this I met Gillies to say I was concerned about the activities of the Islamic Society. Several research papers and Ed Husein's alarming book, The Islamist suggested that certain British universities, including City, were potential recruiting grounds for violent extremists. We agreed this was a sensitive subject but I argued that it was time universities took action. Gillies, who has since moved to London Metropolitan University, said there were two taboo topics among vice-chancellors – Islamic extremism and pensions.

    My anxiety continued. I was particularly disturbed by the sight of Muslim female students wearing the niqab, a dress statement I find offensive and threatening. Don't they value the rights and freedoms they enjoy in Britain? In Taliban strongholds in Afghanistan they are forced to cover up and denied an education.

    One of my journalism students, who is a Muslim woman, interviewed four British-born Muslim girls who said they began to wear the niqab only after coming to City and joining the Islamic Society. They found it "liberating", they said.

    I think the niqab should be banned at university. Some of my colleagues agree with me; others don't. But the issue should be debated. Should universities be more vigilant in monitoring Islamic societies and the literature they disseminate? Some of the material contains extremist ideology, at worst promoting "jihad", variously translated as personal struggle and holy war, at best advocating total separation from the "kufir"– non-believers or infidels – and effectively promoting religious hatred, now a criminal offence in English law.

    City's Islamic Society website has links to blogs from known extremists including Awlaki. He encourages all Muslims to support "jihad" including fundraising for and joining Mujahideen fighters. A US citizen, Awlaki preached at American mosques attended by three of the 11 September hijackers.

    Vice-chancellors have been reluctant to act, but concern is growing. A planned Islamic Society event at UCL in November 2009 was banned on the somewhat spurious grounds of health and safety. In late December it emerged that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, arrested on Christmas Day for the attempted bombing of an aircraft on a flight to Detroit from Amsterdam, was a former president of UCL's Islamic Society.

    Last month City's acting vice-chancellor Professor Julius Weinberg talked to staff and students about debate in universities. In the interests of free speech people with whom you profoundly disagree should be allowed to speak, Weinberg said, but he would not allow gender segregation or anyone to speak who advocated violence.

    "There are people we would ban," said Weinberg. "People who were calling for behaviours that are outside the law." Where do we go from here? It will be a brave vice-chancellor who confronts the issue. But at least we have started a debate at City.


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/higher/rosie-waterhouse-universities-must-take-action-on-muslim-extremism-1922730.html

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #38 - March 18, 2010, 03:48 PM

    It's time for the deans and faculty of these universities to grow some balls and stand up to these bullies.   I almost joined the MSA at my college in CA but after listening to them call for the local transsexual students to be executed I quickly distanced myself from them...   Vamoose

    And this was during my hijabi days.

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #39 - March 18, 2010, 03:51 PM

    Campus Musulmans are really the worst. It's like a breeding ground of extremism and terrorism. I think a vast majority of people I know who turned uber religious was due to becoming involved with campus muslims.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #40 - March 18, 2010, 03:54 PM

    Campus Musulmans are really the worst. It's like a breeding ground of extremism and terrorism. I think a vast majority of people I know who turned uber religious was due to becoming involved with campus muslims.


    My youngest ex-sister-in-law did not wear hijab until she went to uni and got involved with the local ISOC, then she became uber religious.  Even wears abaya INSIDE the house!

    I am so glad that I was born with a natural aversion to extremism or else I would have easily got suckered into their mentality but it NEVER attracted me even in my most ardent Muslimah days. 

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #41 - March 18, 2010, 03:55 PM


    They poison society, it seeps outwards. They make life less pleasent, for everyone.

    They have to be thought of and dealt with in the way that white supremacists would be thought of and dealt with.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #42 - March 18, 2010, 03:57 PM

    I am so glad that I was born with a natural aversion to extremism or else I would have easily got suckered into their mentality but it NEVER attracted me even in my most ardent Muslimah days.  


    Same here. I was the most religious during high school and first 2 years of university. But by 2nd year uni I learnt more than I ever wanted to about how alot of *true* musulmans think and I started to realize I really did not belong here. In many ways they began my process towards apostasy. But for weaker mind they can indeed be easily consumed by the fanaticism that seems to be rampant on campuses in NA and the UK. And you'd think a uni is where people come to open their minds.. not close them!

    They have to be thought of and dealt with in the way that white supremacists would be thought of and dealt with.


    Exactly.

    But instaed anjum gets interviews on the 9 o clock news.   wacko

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #43 - March 18, 2010, 08:09 PM

    Simple solution: tell them the entire university is permeated with the essence of kufr and it is impossible to fix, so they will just have to fuck off and go somewhere else if they want a pure atmosphere.  Afro

    My thoughts exactly. I wonder how many of these clowns would accept a one-way ticket to an Islamic republic of their choice.
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #44 - March 18, 2010, 09:30 PM

    My thoughts exactly. I wonder how many of these clowns would accept a one-way ticket to an Islamic republic of their choice.


    Answer: "None!"
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #45 - March 19, 2010, 12:48 AM

    What is really needed is a fundamental change in the idea of a university.
    Instead of being a pure systematic pursuit of abstract knowledge, the university should be the place where wisdom is taught, not knowledge.
    It is neurotic that one is taught and reads only abstract thought with the human element completely ignored.

    One could almost cry at the advantage taken of this missing element by propoganda artists and corrupters of the university. I ask you, what is a civillisation if not its academia, its institution of learning, the great memory of humanity as a whole?


    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #46 - March 19, 2010, 01:41 AM

    Exactly man! Couldn't agree more!
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #47 - March 19, 2010, 01:43 AM

    One could almost cry at the advantage taken of this missing element by propoganda artists and corrupters of the university. I ask you, what is a civillisation if not its academia, its institution of learning, the great memory of humanity as a whole?

    I liked this excerpt  Afro
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #48 - August 19, 2010, 09:47 PM

    WOW. Just wow. O_O

    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #49 - August 20, 2010, 07:21 PM

    i read about shit like this in ed hussains book the islamist. looks like histry is repeating itself again.

    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

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  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #50 - August 20, 2010, 07:27 PM



    The City University ISOC is hardcore Islamist, they promote jehadi ideologues




    The ISOC at my uni (bradford) they take hizb ut tahrir leaflets, word them slightly differently and then put their own logos on them. The head and deputy head are hizb minions as well.
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #51 - August 20, 2010, 07:31 PM

    Look who's back.
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #52 - August 20, 2010, 07:32 PM

    Miss me?  Wink I missed you  Roll Eyes
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #53 - August 20, 2010, 07:35 PM

    I missed you too, baby.
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #54 - August 20, 2010, 07:41 PM

    Can you read this  Ed Hussain online?

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #55 - August 20, 2010, 07:42 PM

    wtf? no one missed me!

    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

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  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #56 - August 20, 2010, 07:44 PM

    its worth it to get his book, it's a really good read.

    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

    Nick Naylor: "I didn't have to. I proved that you're wrong, and if you're wrong I'm right."~ Thank you for Smoking

    Perspective
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #57 - August 20, 2010, 08:22 PM

    Can you read this  Ed Hussain online?



    extract here http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/book_extracts/article1685726.ece

    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

    Nick Naylor: "I didn't have to. I proved that you're wrong, and if you're wrong I'm right."~ Thank you for Smoking

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  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #58 - August 20, 2010, 08:42 PM

    I missed you too, baby.


    awww thnkyu lol
  • Re: Islamic Society at City University, London
     Reply #59 - August 20, 2010, 09:03 PM

    Can you read this  Ed Hussain online?


    Here's a good debate which I enjoyed listening to.  You may have listened to it already.

    From http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk
    Quote
    On 20th November 2009, the Centre for Social Cohesion hosted an evening debate in Westminster between Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the former Dutch MP and self-declared Muslim apostate, and Ed Husain (an ex-Islamist but now still Muslim), the author of the best-selling book The Islamist.
    Ayaan Hirsi Ali argues that Islam 'as a body of ideas' is opposed to 'Enlightenment' values. Ed Husain advocates an Islamic 'renaissance' arguing that Islam can be re-interpreted to meet the challenges of the modern world.

    Here's the mp3 file directly (click Save Target As to save it):
    http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/files/1228233363_3.mp3
    the file size is 87.5MB

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