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  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #30 - March 21, 2010, 03:28 AM
     Cheesy

    I love you Yeezeevee! But seriously I enjoy the OTHER Mehdi Hassan a lot better too.

    But seriously, that guy is such a dunce. Or as you say "RASCAL"!  dance
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #31 - March 21, 2010, 08:35 AM
    That miriam woman was infuriating! I can't believe she tried to claim that it was wrong that those women in Malaysia were lashed and then came unstuck when the Iranian woman questioned her on what the sharia punishment for adultery is!

    The Iranian Muslim was spot on when saying that there is a difference between being a Muslim minority in the west and Islamic governments in Islamic countries.

    Also, I think there are a number of candidates for the new shahada. There's the "taking it out of context", there is also "how could Muhammad have known this 1400 years ago" and the one mehdi Hassan used; "don't judge Islam by it's followers". All pretty crap defences if you ask me!
    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #32 - March 21, 2010, 04:21 PM
    Quote from: billy on March 21, 2010, 02:46 AM
    This must be part of a new shahadah that Muslims are reciting:

    La ilaha illa Allah wa-Muhammad rasul Allah, and everything you say about Islam is taken out of context.


     Cheesy Cheesy
    This goes in the quotes thread.
    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #33 - March 21, 2010, 04:38 PM
    I hope it catches on, infidel Afro



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #34 - March 21, 2010, 04:53 PM
    Quote from: aliadiere on March 21, 2010, 08:35 AM
    "don't judge Islam by it's followers"

    In that case how exactly is one supposed to judge Islam or any religion for that matter?
    It's like Islam is an entity in a vacuum that  has no true productive identity.
    If so what's the point of Islam then?
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #35 - March 21, 2010, 05:11 PM

    Two things with the 'don't judge Islam by its followers' fallacy

    (1) Its a rhetorical trick to construct a pure Islam that has been tainted by humans and ringfence criticism.

    (2) Its stupid - Muslims claim Islam has discernible, causative, direct effects on human behaviour, that is why they do dawah and try to convert people. So they claim Islam can be judged by the beahviour of Muslims when something 'good' happens, but not when something 'bad' happens.


    Oh yeah, and that statement was made by Mehdi Hassan, a true creep, who says one thing in front of kuffars, and then behind their back calls all non Muslims as animals with no intelligence. Its just another piece of bullshit rhetoric and dawah by him and other apologists for Islam, trying to put the entire world on the back foot, wag his finger and try to make them feel guilty. Because of the duplicity of people like him though, its not working as much as it used to.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #36 - March 21, 2010, 08:03 PM
    Tariq Ramadan - The Western Muslim 1/3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6sxhmrSkVQ

    Tariq Ramadan - The Western Muslim 2/3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-OvPnFdQZA

    Tariq Ramadan - The Western Muslim 3/3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMwYLApcxII

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #37 - March 21, 2010, 08:10 PM
    Debate between Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Tariq Ramadan Part 1 of 3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV7S4PMHE50&feature=related

    Debate between Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Tariq Ramadan Part 2 of 3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAiCYedA-JI&feature=related

    Debate between Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Tariq Ramadan Part 3 of 3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZqpTGE15l8&feature=related


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #38 - March 21, 2010, 08:11 PM
    Yeezeevee, your thoughts on Tariq Ramadan please.
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #39 - March 21, 2010, 08:15 PM
    ^^ We have to ask The Tailor this question.
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #40 - March 21, 2010, 08:17 PM
    Tariq Ramadan is suspicious.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #41 - March 21, 2010, 08:30 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on March 21, 2010, 08:15 PM
    ^^ We have to ask The Tailor this question.


    LOL when you put it like that he sounds like some oracle from a sci fi movie

    "We need to ask The Tailor!"
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #42 - March 21, 2010, 08:31 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on March 21, 2010, 08:17 PM
    Tariq Ramadan is suspicious.


    Those diapers are suspicious.
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #43 - March 21, 2010, 08:49 PM
    Quote
    Yeezeevee, your thoughts on Tariq Ramadan please.

    He is a good man dear BlackDog., he and every one on this earth  must  have freedom freely to express his/their  opinions  freely. As long as he supports that I fully support him.  But  I too need freedom to produce a movies  on Prophet of Islam that is based upon these   Videos of My good friend from far east.  I hope Tariq Ramadan supports me in my endeavor before I go to Allah heavens to my houries..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv_rvgZdhCs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfF9v3VtC4g
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #44 - March 21, 2010, 09:40 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on March 21, 2010, 02:44 AM
    Thats because all the muslim "brothers" hope to marry them. Trust me, I used to be a classic brown young musulman. When that one white girl convert to islam steps in the room all the "brothers" chests suddenly become puffed and shoulders become broader. Pisses the brown muslimahs off to no end. Grin


    So true, the amt of booty calls I got whilst I was a single hijabi was EPIC!
    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #45 - March 21, 2010, 09:44 PM
    What! Booty calls? How can you turn a booty call into a muslim thing?
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #46 - March 21, 2010, 09:48 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on March 21, 2010, 08:30 PM
    LOL when you put it like that he sounds like some oracle from a sci fi movie

    "We need to ask The Tailor!"

     Cheesy

    I am Cultist remember?

    Still I would like to hear his opinion on TR.
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #47 - March 21, 2010, 09:51 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on March 21, 2010, 08:31 PM
    Those diapers are suspicious.


     great
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #48 - March 21, 2010, 09:54 PM
    Quote
    Those diapers are suspicious.

    Nope..  That beard on  that diaper boy is more suspicious .  If it was published couple of years back in the land of his parents., Iblis would have been stoned..


     
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #49 - March 21, 2010, 09:58 PM
    Iblis is usually stoned anyways.
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #50 - March 21, 2010, 11:27 PM
    Argh!  That oh-so-eloquent Miriam woman was bloody annoying.  Where's Douglas Murray when you need him?

    When Nicki Campbell quoted half of verse 4:34 about men being the maintainers of women, I wish he'd carried it on to mention the bit which instructs a man to beat his wife.  I wonder what answer Miriam would've given to that.

    This is yet another debate which merely touches the surface.
    .
  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #51 - March 21, 2010, 11:47 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on March 21, 2010, 11:27 PM
    When Nicki Campbell quoted half of verse 4:34 about men being the maintainers of women, I wish he'd carried it on to mention the bit which instructs a man to beat his wife.  I wonder what answer Miriam would've given to that.

    This is yet another debate which merely touches the surface.

    Yeah. I felt it was deliberate. I mean when anybody refers to that verse they almost always continue to mention the "hit them" part. It was a lost opportunity.
    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: The Big Question: Islam
     Reply #52 - March 22, 2010, 12:07 AM
    You're probably right, its daytime TV.  Discussing the Quran properly, with all of Mo's activities, could only be discussed on an XXX-rated channel. 
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