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  • What the Koran Condemns
     OP - March 21, 2010, 07:27 PM
    Post something which the Koran condemns or disapproves of, that is not listed here yet:

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/wiki/en/The_Koran_Condemns

    Also think about things which it does not condemn but should have in clear terms.
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  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #1 - March 21, 2010, 07:33 PM
    Men wearing gold and having ear piercings.
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #2 - March 21, 2010, 07:44 PM
    Good, but that comes from the hadith. I think that should go into a separate thread "What the Hadith condemn."

    Let's concentrate on the Koran in this thread. Smiley
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  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #3 - March 21, 2010, 07:55 PM
    Oh shit. I realised a lot of the weird and funny shit are in the hadiths lol. That thread would be a serious laugh.

    Koran condemns homosexuality.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #4 - March 21, 2010, 08:03 PM
    The Koran condemns Jews, Apes and Pigs!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #5 - March 21, 2010, 08:19 PM
    Quote from: Heyjustlooking on March 21, 2010, 07:55 PM
    Koran condemns homosexuality.

    Yep. yes

    Keep it coming, with references if possible.
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  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #6 - March 21, 2010, 09:19 PM
    Quote from: Heyjustlooking on March 21, 2010, 07:55 PM
    Koran condemns homosexuality.


    only in this life.....

    In heaven men should have small boys at their disposal (غلمان).....you wouldn't think Allah is going to deny Muslims of the many pleasures atheist can have in this life

    (وَيَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ غِلْمَانٌ لَّهُمْ كَأَنَّهُمْ لُؤْلُؤٌ مَّكْنُونٌ) ( الطور : 24 )

    "and one after another, upon them the boys that they own shall pass, and their boys shall look like well kept pearls" toor:24


  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #7 - March 21, 2010, 09:22 PM
    Is Alcohol/Intoxicants there?
  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #8 - March 21, 2010, 09:24 PM
    Quote from: pure.virtual on March 21, 2010, 09:19 PM
    only in this life.....

    In heaven men should have small boys at their disposal (غلمان).....you wouldn't think Allah is going to deny Muslims of the many pleasures atheist can have in this life

    (وَيَطُوفُ عَلَيْهِمْ غِلْمَانٌ لَّهُمْ كَأَنَّهُمْ لُؤْلُؤٌ مَّكْنُونٌ) ( الطور : 24 )

    "and one after another, upon them the boys that they own shall pass, and their boys shall look like well kept pearls" toor:24


    Yes I always found that verse odd. It is hard not to see some sort of sexual implication there.
  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #9 - March 21, 2010, 09:25 PM
    Ah yes, alcohol. Will add it. Smiley
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  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #10 - March 21, 2010, 09:27 PM
    I haven't checked through this - just looked it up on Yahoo Answers and pasted it lol

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080403120612AAgQria

    Allah Most High says:

    Surely, Allah does not forgive associating anything with Him, and He forgives whatever is other than that to whomever He wills. (al-Nisa 4:48 and 116)

    01. Associating anything with Allah
    02. Murder
    03. Practicing magic
    04. Not Praying
    05. Not paying Zakat
    06. Not fasting on a Day of Ramadan without excuse
    07. Not performing Hajj, while being able to do so
    08. Disrespect to parents
    09. Abandoning relatives
    10. Fornication and Adultery
    11. Homosexuality(sodomy)
    12. Interest(Riba)
    13. Wrongfully consuming the property of an orphan
    14. Lying about Allah and His Messenger
    15. Running away from the battlefield
    16. A leader's deceiving his people and being unjust to them
    17. Pride and arrogance
    18. Bearing false witness
    19. Drinking Khamr (wine)
    20. Gambling
    21. Slandering chaste women
    22. Stealing from the spoils of war
    23. Stealing
    24. Highway Robbery
    25. Taking false oath
    26. Oppression
    27. Illegal gain
    28. Consuming wealth acquired unlawfully
    29. Committing suicide
    30. Frequent lying
    31. Judging unjustly
    32. Giving and Accepting bribes
    33. Woman's imitating man and man's imitating woman
    34. Being cuckold
    35. Marrying a divorced woman in order to make her lawful for the husband
    36. Not protecting oneself from urine
    37. Showing-off
    38. Learning knowledge of the religion for the sake of this world and concealing that knowledge
    39. Betrayal of trust
    40. Recounting favors
    41. Denying Allah's Decree
    42. Listening (to) people's private conversations
    43. Carrying tales
    44. Cursing
    45. Breaking contracts
    46. Believing in fortune-tellers and astrologers
    47. A woman's bad conduct towards her husband
    48. Making statues and pictures
    49. Lamenting, wailing, tearing the clothing, and doing other things of this sort when an affliction befalls
    50. Treating others unjustly
    51. Overbearing conduct toward the wife, the servant, the weak, and animals
    52. Offending one's neighbour
    53. Offending and abusing Muslims
    54. Offending people and having an arrogant attitude toward them
    55. Trailing one's garment in pride
    56. Men's wearing silk and gold
    57. A slave's running away from his master
    58. Slaughtering an animal which has been dedicated to anyone other than Allah
    59. To knowingly ascribe one's paternity to a father other than one's own
    60. Arguing and disputing violently
    61. Witholding excess water
    62. Giving short weight or measure
    63. Feeling secure from Allah's Plan
    64. Offending Allah's righteous friends
    65. Not praying in congregation but praying alone without an excuse
    66. Persistently missing Friday Prayers without any excuse
    67. Unsurping the rights of the heir through bequests
    68. Deceiving and plotting evil
    69. Spying for the enemy of the Muslims
    70. Cursing or insulting any of the Companions of Allah's Messenger
    Source: The Major Sins Al-Kaba'r By Muhammad bin 'Uthman Adh-Dhahabi, rendered into English by Mohammad Moinuddin Siddiqui
    Source(s):
    And Allah knows best!
  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #11 - March 21, 2010, 09:31 PM
    Thanks, Hassan. I'll thoroughly check that list tomorrow.
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  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #12 - March 21, 2010, 09:46 PM
    Hassan's list on  t What the Koran Condemns
    Quote
    Allah Most High says:

    Surely, Allah does not forgive associating anything with Him, and He forgives whatever is other than that to whomever He wills. (al-Nisa 4:48 and 116)

    02. Murder

     Let me take that no 2.   and rewrite a  bit


    01. Murdering any one who is Associating anything with Allah is O.K.
    02. Murdering any one who Murder Islam and Muhammad with his/her  pen is O.K
    03. Murdering any one who Practicing magic is O.K
    04. Murdering any one Who is Not Praying Allah is O.k.
    05. Murdering any one Who is Not paying Zakat is O.K.

     and on and on... lol.. That also we can get from Quran.,
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #13 - March 21, 2010, 09:46 PM
    Quran condemns having sex with wife\wives when they're menstruating.
     
    2:222 They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: It is an illness, so let women alone at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you. Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanness.   

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  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #14 - March 21, 2010, 09:50 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on March 21, 2010, 09:46 PM
    Hassan's list on  t What the Koran Condemns Let me take that no 2.   and rewrite a  bit


    01. Murdering any one who is Associating anything with Allah is O.K.
    02. Murdering any one who Murder Islam and Muhammad with his/her  pen is O.K
    03. Murdering any one who Practicing magic is O.K
    04. Murdering any one Who is Not Praying Allah is O.k.
    05. Murdering any one Who is Not paying Zakat is O.K.

     and on and on... lol.. That also we can get from Quran.,


    Yep, that's more like it! Afro
  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #15 - March 21, 2010, 09:53 PM
    Don't forget: The Qur'an doesn't like people marrying Muhammad's wives after he dies! -- 33:53

  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #16 - March 21, 2010, 10:02 PM
    You mean Allah Smiley Allah the Lord of the Universe doesn't like the soap opera of a 7th century prophet and his wives. In the book of books, a tablet preserved for all time he put this information down. Why is this relevant today? Nobody knows but I'm sure people can cook up answer.
  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #17 - March 21, 2010, 10:13 PM
    -Gambling
    -Sacrificing in the name of other than Allah
    -Building mosques on graves (Ironic, cuz the mosque in Medina has the prophet's grave inside)
    -Magic, and witchcraft
    -Premarital sex
    -False testimony
    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #18 - March 21, 2010, 10:36 PM
    Allah objects to fornication and adultery but he seems to recommend sex slavery  (23:5-6, 70:29-30).


    Figure that one out.


    Oh, wait. Muhammad liked the poontang.  grin12
  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #19 - March 22, 2010, 01:06 AM
    How about this one ?

    How is that for an eternal message - very relevant today eh ?

    33.53 . O ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet for a meal without waiting for the proper time , unless permission be granted you . But if ye are invited , enter , and , when , your meal is ended , then disperse . Linger not for conversation . Lo! that would cause annoyance to the Prophet , and he would be shy of ( asking ) you ( to go ) ; but Allah is not shy of the truth . And when ye ask of them ( the wives of the Prophet ) anything , ask it of them from behind a curtain . That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts . And it is not for you to cause annoyance to the messenger of Allah , nor that ye should ever marry his wives after him . Lo! that in Allah ' s sight would be an enormity .

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  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #20 - March 22, 2010, 07:56 AM
    lol nice one paloma
  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #21 - March 22, 2010, 05:05 PM
    The Koran condemns friendship with Jews and Christians!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #22 - March 22, 2010, 06:21 PM
    The quran also condemns walking along the same path as Jews, you have to blockl their way and nudge them off
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  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #23 - March 22, 2010, 07:10 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 22, 2010, 06:21 PM
    The quran also condemns walking along the same path as Jews, you have to blockl their way and nudge them off

    No, I'm pretty sure that's in the Hadith.
    Quote from: Iblis on March 22, 2010, 05:05 PM
    The Koran condemns friendship with Jews and Christians!

    Taking them as "walis" (protectors) is condemned.



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  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #24 - March 22, 2010, 08:15 PM
    Forbids the wife from disobeying.
    Forbids the muslim from disobeying the muslim leadership (wali/khalifa)
    Forbids taking the witness of a woman as equal to the man, in financial matters explicitly and all other matters implicitly.
    Forbids the equal distribution of inheritance.
    Forbids adoption.
    Forbids a wife from being inherited after her husband is dead.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #25 - March 22, 2010, 08:19 PM
    Baal!
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #26 - March 22, 2010, 08:45 PM
    Quote from: Baal on March 22, 2010, 08:15 PM
    Forbids a wife from being inherited after her husband is dead.

     Huh? Is this quran or hadith?
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  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #27 - March 22, 2010, 09:12 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 22, 2010, 08:45 PM
    Huh? Is this quran or hadith?


    Qur'an:

    004.019
    YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will...


    004.022
    YUSUFALI: And marry not women whom your fathers married,- except what is past: It was shameful and odious,- an abominable custom indeed.

  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #28 - March 22, 2010, 09:25 PM
    But these versus are about forbidding marriage to stepmums or against someones will.  Little to do with stopping widows from marrying again, if I interpreted correctly.
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  • Re: What the Koran Condemns
     Reply #29 - March 22, 2010, 10:03 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on March 22, 2010, 09:25 PM
    But these versus are about forbidding marriage to stepmums or against someones will.  Little to do with stopping widows from marrying again, if I interpreted correctly.


    Baal didn't say widows can't marry again.

    He said the Qur'an: "Forbids a wife from being inherited after her husband is dead."
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