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 Topic: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe

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  • Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     OP - March 22, 2010, 03:43 AM

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    A structure, possibly another universe beyond the horizon of our own, appears to be pulling at our world.
    By Irene Klotz | Thu Mar 18, 2010 04:34 AM ET

    Our universe is sliding steadily in a specific direction, in what researchers are calling "the dark flow."
    Some suspect the flow is caused by the pull of gravity from another universe.
    One way to detect the flow is seeing how galaxy clusters scatter radiation left over from the Big Bang.


    The universe is not only expanding -- it's being swept along in the direction of constellations Centaurus and Hydra at a steady clip of one million miles per hour, pulled, perhaps, by the gravity of another universe.

    Scientists have no idea what's tugging at the known world, except to say that whatever it is likely dates back to the fraction of the second between the universe's explosive birth 13.7 billion years ago and its inflation a split second later.

    "At this point we don't have enough information to see what it is, or to constrain it. We can only say with certainty that somewhere very far away the world is very different than what we see locally. Whether it's 'another universe' or a different fabric of space-time we don't know," Alexander Kashlinsky at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., told Discovery News.

    Kashlinsky and colleagues have spent years building up evidence for what they call "the dark flow."  They look at how the relic radiation from the Big Bang explosion scatters as it passes through gases in galaxy clusters, a process that is something akin to looking at stars through the bubble of Earth's atmosphere.

    With data on more than 1,000 galaxy clusters, including some as distant as 3 billion light-years from Earth, the measurements show the universe's steady flow is clearly not a statistical fluke, Kashlinsky said.

    "It was greatly surprising. When we first found it, we didn't know what to do with it. We knew how extraordinarily unexpected it was," he said.

    The force and direction of the flow holds steady across space and through time.

    "It's the same flow at a distance of a hundred million light-years as it is at 2.5 billion light-years and it points in the same direction and the same amplitude. It looks like the entire matter of the universe is moving from one direction to the next," Kashlinsky said.

    The observation fits theoretical models of how our universe might be impacted by sibling universes, predicted by string theory, that we cannot directly detect.

    It's like our universe is a box and everything that it contains is inside it like milk in a carton, physicist Laura Mersini-Houghton with University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, told Discovery News.

    "If our universe is all that's there, then the liquid in the box shouldn't be sliding. Whatever is pulling it has to be bigger than the size of the box," she said. "There is a structure beyond the horizon of our universe and that structure is exerting a force on our universe and creating this flow."

    The research expands on previously reported results based on fewer and closer galaxy clusters. Another team of scientists has turned up independent evidence for the flow with an alternative method that spatially correlates nearby galaxies.


    Kashlinsky and colleagues' new findings appear in the March 20 issue of  The Astrophysical Journal Letters.


    source: http://news.discovery.com/space/dark-flow-universe.html

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  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #1 - March 22, 2010, 04:12 AM

    Interesting.

    I think anyone who's interested in astrophysics has thought about just what & how much is beyond what we can detect ATM, and now they're finding direct evidence of allot of stuff.
    Personally I've always thought that what we think we know as the borders of our universe, is only just the beginning of more...whatever. I can't say I have any clue of what it may be, but just think there's gotta be more.

    Thanx for this info allat!

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  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #2 - March 22, 2010, 08:32 AM

    It's definitely Allah pulling us towards her throne. Once we reach her, it's end-times! Yeah!
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #3 - March 22, 2010, 08:53 AM

    I love it when they find stuff like this.  dance  Thanks for that.  Afro

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  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #4 - March 22, 2010, 12:39 PM

    Why do i suddenly feel the urge to hold on to something and scream "ICEBERG!!"?

    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
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  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #5 - March 22, 2010, 01:05 PM

    Jack! I'm flying!!
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #6 - March 22, 2010, 01:32 PM

    Great article.  Afro

    ''Scientists have no idea what's tugging at the known world, except to say that whatever it is likely dates back to the fraction of the second between the universe's explosive birth 13.7 billion years ago and its inflation a split second later.''

    spooky!

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #7 - March 22, 2010, 01:42 PM

    Have to agree, the universe is really weird :S
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #8 - March 22, 2010, 02:08 PM

    It's the anti-universe (universe filled with anti- matter). Get ready for a cataclysmic annihilation everybody.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #9 - March 22, 2010, 02:08 PM

     dance
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #10 - March 22, 2010, 02:49 PM

    Would explain where all that anti-matter went Tongue
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #11 - March 22, 2010, 02:52 PM

    It's the anti-universe (universe filled with anti- matter). Get ready for a cataclysmic annihilation everybody.


    lol, I was thinking that too! They say it dates back to a fraction of a second between the birth of the universe and the cosmic inflation a fraction of a second later - this would perhaps fit with it being the antimatter (that no-one knows where the heck is) that must have been produced after the energy that gave birth to our universe condensed into the matter and radiation we know about.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #12 - March 22, 2010, 03:05 PM

    Ye your right about that. It would also explain the accelerated expansion of our universe.

    Too much uncertainty though. That's why I'm a sceptic.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #13 - March 22, 2010, 03:05 PM

    I don't think it would make much sense if it was the 'lost' anti-matter, how would it get split off from this universe?
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #14 - March 22, 2010, 03:16 PM

    I don't think it would make much sense if it was the 'lost' anti-matter, how would it get split off from this universe?


    You're right, it probably isn't. I intended that post as a joke anyway. It is probably a universe filled with other exotic particles different from our own. However this all speculation lol. A lot of scientists are trying to account for the missing mass in the universe. There is also this theoretical 'force' called dark energy which is meant to be the opposite of gravity which causing the stretching of space-time. I think the universe is much larger than we imagine it to be.

    Ordinary people like us won't understand the full picture due to continuing advancements in cosmic science everyday, probably. So we need to see where this piece of the puzzle takes us, if it even is a piece.


    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #15 - March 22, 2010, 03:18 PM

    ''I don't think it would make much sense if it was the 'lost' anti-matter, how would it get split off from this universe?''


    I don't think the authors of the research are sure that it's a separate universe at all:


    ''Whether it's 'another universe' or a different fabric of space-time we don't know," Alexander Kashlinsky at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., told Discovery News.''

    In which case the question would become what mechanism prevented the antimatter evolving within our 'matter universe' thus preventing complete anihilation within seconds.

    But I agree with heyhustlooking at the moment all of it is just speculation.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #16 - March 22, 2010, 03:27 PM

    ...tbh heyjustlooking I think you're onto something here with the antimatter thing - it would certainly solve the mystery of where it all went. It may have somehow got partitioned into a sperate part of our universe - and we could seriously be heading for a collision course with it ever since.

    but again I agree, mere speculation.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #17 - March 22, 2010, 03:41 PM

    ''I don't think it would make much sense if it was the 'lost' anti-matter, how would it get split off from this universe?''


    I don't think the authors of the research are sure that it's a separate universe at all:


    ''Whether it's 'another universe' or a different fabric of space-time we don't know," Alexander Kashlinsky at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., told Discovery News.''

    In which case the question would become what mechanism prevented the antimatter evolving within our 'matter universe' thus preventing complete anihilation within seconds.

    But I agree with heyhustlooking at the moment all of it is just speculation.


    Good point, I missed that. I cant wait to see this develop further.
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #18 - March 22, 2010, 03:49 PM

    I can't wait to hear about a new "miracle" in the Quran which pointed to "dark flow" 1400 years before scientists discovered.  Roll Eyes

    Quran: Great Science, 1400 year delay

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #19 - March 22, 2010, 04:15 PM

    lol

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #20 - March 22, 2010, 05:58 PM

    Another explanation is that maybe the universe is unlimited in space.
    In fact we have no idea if the universe exists past the limit of the "visible universe".

    So maybe the visible universe is moving toward some huge mass in the not-visible part of the universe... And it appears to be constant and uniform because such mass is simply very distant and incredibly huge?

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Mysterious 'Dark Flow' May Be Tug of Other Universe
     Reply #21 - March 22, 2010, 06:54 PM

    It's the anti-universe (universe filled with anti- matter). Get ready for a cataclysmic annihilation everybody.

    Sounds very faesible  Afro

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