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 Topic: I think it is time for me to leave Islam

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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #150 - April 02, 2010, 01:32 PM

    Why?
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #151 - April 02, 2010, 01:33 PM

    because it's not right!
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #152 - April 02, 2010, 01:34 PM

    Why?
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #153 - April 02, 2010, 01:37 PM

    its pathetic to take piss out of a religion!
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #154 - April 02, 2010, 01:39 PM

    We are running in circles here.
    Could you please tell me why is it pathetic to ridicule religion?
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #155 - April 02, 2010, 01:39 PM

    Iblis and any other people that have a problem with Islam listen to this just because you don't follow that religion anymore doesn't mean you can take piss out of it, that just shows patheticness. Yes I am having doubts about God and I do hate him, but i don't take piss out of the Religion.

    You are still a muslim, just reactionary at the moment, so I can understand why you are defensive.  

    However I dont think mocking an ideology shows patheticness.  As a muslim I used to take the piss out of Hindus and followers of Koresh, as do countless followers of all ideologies today.

    But I dont see why you cant allow us as ex-muslims who see it is a falsehood of breathtaking proportions to take the piss out of it, just like it took the piss out of us when we trusted it to be the truth.  

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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #156 - April 02, 2010, 01:45 PM

    IsLame i understand but couldn't you do it somewhere else instead of here?
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #157 - April 02, 2010, 01:46 PM

    Yes, I cant argue with that point  Afro

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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #158 - April 02, 2010, 01:46 PM

    IsLame i understand but couldn't you do it somewhere else instead of here?

    You mean this thread?
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #159 - April 02, 2010, 01:47 PM

    Yes i do mean this thread Smiley
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #160 - April 02, 2010, 01:52 PM

    Sure.

    Don't take Iblises stuff to seriously. Him and Arab-Wannabe have a bit of history.
    None of his stuff was aimed personally at you.
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #161 - April 02, 2010, 02:12 PM

    alright thanks Kenan Afro
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #162 - April 02, 2010, 02:18 PM

    If you don't mind me asking - are you still angry at god?
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #163 - April 02, 2010, 02:27 PM

    yes I am actually
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #164 - April 02, 2010, 02:32 PM

    Have you read the posts made by Hassan?
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #165 - April 02, 2010, 02:35 PM

    which?
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #166 - April 02, 2010, 02:44 PM

    In this thread.
    This is the first one: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9448.msg241764#msg241764
    Other posts made by him in this thread are worth reading too. They are all very relevant to the anguish you are going through.
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #167 - April 02, 2010, 03:59 PM

    Don't worry about God, He doesn't worry about you.

    Worry about the family members you have left. Worry about improving your health and getting every bit of happiness out of life that you can. As a father myself, what we wish for our precious daughters that we leave behind us is happiness. Don't worry about figuring out religion, that is very stressful. All the religion you need you already have. You know what it means to be a good person. Don't worry about shunning anything unless it is obviously harmful. I wish you the best. Much of Islam turns out not to be literally true, but Islam observes that after hardship comes ease. After hardship, comes ease.

    Assalamu alaykum
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #168 - April 02, 2010, 04:17 PM

    but Islam observes that after hardship comes ease. After hardship, comes ease.

    Assalamu alaykum

    Well if thats what Islam observes, then thats not true either.  Tell that to the people who were wiped out during the ice age!  Or the people who die from a long suffering illness.  Or the Ethipians that starved to death during the famine. Or the person who's son died from Leukaemia aged 12.

    What a load of b*ll*cks!

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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #169 - April 02, 2010, 08:22 PM

    After hardship, comes ease.


    Muslims LOVE that line, I used to hear it all the time. After a while it loses its effectiveness at comforting.

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    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #170 - April 02, 2010, 10:15 PM

    Tell that to the people who were wiped out during the ice age!

    Who?
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #171 - April 02, 2010, 10:19 PM

    The people who spent their whole lives in freezing conditions which gradually got worse & worse until they eventually froze to death during the big freeze.  You not read about that stage in human history?

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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #172 - April 02, 2010, 10:24 PM

    No I haven't actually, but I did read that humans were left to around a few thousand and everyone alive is a descandant of those.Did the rest of them die in the ice age or because of general starvation?
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #173 - April 02, 2010, 10:50 PM

    dunno, I always thought they froze to death but perhaps it could have been starvation too

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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #174 - April 02, 2010, 11:03 PM

    No I haven't actually, but I did read that humans were left to around a few thousand and everyone alive is a descandant of those.Did the rest of them die in the ice age or because of general starvation?


    I assume you're referring to the Toba catastrophe which created a 'bottleneck' effect in  human evolution.... but it a separate occurrence from the last ice age..... I think.
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #175 - April 02, 2010, 11:38 PM

    May be they died because of lack of islam.
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #176 - April 02, 2010, 11:42 PM

    Allah was putting them throught the refrigeration test, so he could thaw them out in hell

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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #177 - April 03, 2010, 08:02 AM

    I remember reading something recently that was disputing whether there actually was a bottleneck associated with the Toba eruption. From memory the article was saying that the dating of any hypothetical bottleneck wasn't all that accurate and it could have been several restrictions over a longer time period.

    All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread.  whistling2

    (although for a thread to stay on topic for ten pages around here is something of a miracle anyway)

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  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #178 - April 29, 2010, 04:51 PM

    Anisa,

    I am so sorry for your loss. It is, of course, difficult to lose a close loved one. The range of emotions you feel, the lethargy and insignificance of life etc. But I assure you, it will get better. Time is the best healer, and I pray that Allah makes it easy for you.

    I'm really sorry for your loss. I do know what it feels like and I also recognise the anger that you feel with God.

    If there is an all-knowing and all-powerful God then we are all quite justified in feeling angry with him for making us suffer, since this is all part of an all powerful and all-knowing God's divine plan - and to put his creatures through such terrible pain and disaster without giving them any good reason for it is surely very cruel.

    Although Oz is right that suffering and pain in itself is not a particularly good argument against religion - Unlike Oz - I believe it highlights a question that religion does not have an adequate answer.

    When billions of human beings are forced to suffer terrible pain and tragedy - children drowned in Tsunamis, mothers crushed in Earthquakes, babies born with genetical defects and loved ones snatched through illness and disease - and then say "It's OK, I needed to test you - and I will give you a really happy life in the next life." - Is just not good enough!

    If you force someone to endure the unendurable and bear the unbearable - and then say to  them "I have a very good reason, but I can't tell you yet!" - that is unacceptable. No amount of divine reward can make up for the losses and cruel tragedies one has been forced to suffer in this world. And the thought that God might somehow erase those memories or somehow compensate by bringing loved ones back to us - doesn't cut it in my book.

    For me, suffering poses a big question about God - and a very valid one!




    If there was no evil in the world, then how would we recognise good? If all is good, then how would we learn to truely appreciate that good? The existence of evil, or the apparently malavolent nature of God, is not that big of a stumbling block. The story of Musa (as) and Al-Khidr is an excellent demonstration of how what we percieve to be bad, can in fact, be good. Furthermore, if there is an afterlife, then surely that afterlife is would be apt compensation for a life of misery; the misfortune of the ephemeral pales in significance against the majesty of the eternal.

    ...nor shall they encompass aught of His knowledge, except as He willeth...
  • Re: I think it is time for me to leave Islam
     Reply #179 - April 29, 2010, 05:54 PM

    If there was no evil in the world, then how would we recognise good? If all is good, then how would we learn to truely appreciate that good? The existence of evil, or the apparently malavolent nature of God, is not that big of a stumbling block. The story of Musa (as) and Al-Khidr is an excellent demonstration of how what we percieve to be bad, can in fact, be good. Furthermore, if there is an afterlife, then surely that afterlife is would be apt compensation for a life of misery; the misfortune of the ephemeral pales in significance against the majesty of the eternal.


    Do you know how many times I have been told that Hassan1? Do you know how many times I tried to believe it? It just a platitude that has no substance. Break it down and examine it against the experience of Humanity. Are you saying that God is unable to create beings who understand good and evil without such terrible suffering and pain? Without billions dying, crying and and losing all hope under unbearable pain and tragedy? And how does this lead one to know good?

    Tell me how does the grief and pain of having one's baby crushed in an earthquake or daughter drowned in a Tsunami or son struck down by a debilitating illness make one see good?

    How does having everything you cared for and loved destroyed and your life filled with such pain that you no-longer wish to wake up in the morning show you Good?

    The story of Musa and Khidr is laughable. Think about the story of the boy Khidr murdered. Imagine you have a son and he is murdered. How will you feel? All the hopes and dreams you had for him. The dream of seeing him married and happy. The days you bounced him on your lap and kissed his cuts better. The times you hugged him when he had a nightmare or carried him on your back because his little legs were tired. The times you brushed his hair and straightened his jacket as you sent him off to school to learn and be the best and dreamed one day you would watch his graduation. How proud you were of his drawings and the lego models he made. How you felt when he kissed you and told you he loves you. And how you cried night and day when he was murdered. How that pain never goes and you carry it all your life.

    The joy you felt at another child will never take that away.

    Then to be told that God ordered his murder because he was going to grow up to be a bad boy - it was for your sake.

    I would spit in the eye of that god.

    If he truly wanted to spare that old couple then why not give them a son who would not grow up to be bad?

    What is the point of putting them through this pain?

    Or why not skip that son entirely and just give them the next "pious" child?

    What is the point of this charade, Hassan1?  Tell me the answer your God has?

    And if that God said - it's OK, now I will put you in eternal paradise - that will make up for that pain? You think I can be bribed to forget what he has done? You think I can forget the suffering he put me through? I would have an eternity to hate this God and curse his pathetic idea of eternal bliss. I would tell him where to cram his eternal paradise.

    Send me to Hell! Let him torture me! At least I would know he was being himself!

    I refuse to spend eternity with a complete bastard!

    If it's: "His game His rules or suffer!" - fine - so be it. I don't want an eternity of submission to a sadistic tyrant who plays games with our lives and an eternity of embroidered couches and grapes will never compensate.

    I stand with Humanity against the God of Islam (and Abrahamic religions) - fuck him - fuck him to Hell!

    Though of course I would never send anyone to eternal torture.

    Your God is below all but the most sick of his creation.
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