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  • Question: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
  • Yes, Islam alone represents a threat to Humanity. - 6 (15.4%)
  • Yes, and I think Other religions should be Destroyed too! - 10 (25.6%)
  • No, I think that we should just oppose those doctrines we find unacceptable! - 22 (56.4%)
  • No, I think Islam is just fine - it's all the fault of bad Muslims - 1 (2.6%)
  • Total Voters: 39

 Topic: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?

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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #210 - April 02, 2010, 02:00 AM

    Ahhh, pride is such an ugly thing. they'll even shut somebody up if they need to. So much for "liberalism". Liberalism actually means "controlling". so I guess that preventing Muhammad bin Lyin from posting is an example of "liberalism".

    I hadn't noticed that he was being prevented from posting. He seems to be managing quite well.

    Anyway, a request for MBH and Billy: would both of you please stop yanking each other's ball hairs and try to converse a little more civilly? Thank you. Smiley

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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #211 - April 02, 2010, 02:03 AM

    Oh really BerberElla? Let me expose you here. IF all the guys at FFI were crazy why in the world did you invite people at FFI via PMs to your forum? Cheesy Well it seems you too loved hate/ The first members here were some of the FFI members. Why is it so?  dance

    She didn't invite the ones she thought were crazy. Minor detail there.

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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #212 - April 02, 2010, 02:03 AM

    This thread has long gone lost its merit and now has become a petty insult zone. Time to close it up and move on
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #213 - April 02, 2010, 02:05 AM

    Billy deleted his mention of Spencer. That's because originally, he DID mention Robert Spencer, but then changed it to Frank Spencer, and curiously enough, I can't even find where he mentioned any Spencer anywhere, whereas I swear I used to see it  Cheesy  and therefore can't figure out where Muhammad bin Lyin got that from.  Cheesy

    It hasn't been deleted at all, nor has the post been edited. Look again.

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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #214 - April 02, 2010, 02:12 AM

    You know if SnB, BinLyin, and the rest of these FFI extremists had been born Muslims they would definitely be hard-core Salafis or Hizbi followers.


    You drew this conclusion on what basis?

    Quote from: Hassan
    I think people are divided more along character types than nationality/race/beliefs/religion etc... People's imprint their own character on their religion/beliefs - and can turn whatever religion/belief in to something extreme and harsh - or benign and humane.

    All the years I was a Muslim I was exactly the same character I am now. If you met me then and met me now you wouldn't say I was any different except that I said my prayers, didn't drink or eat bacon etc... I never subscribed to extremist views and there is no way on earth I would have become a terrorist.


    YOu didnt become a terrorist doesnt mean others cant. What the hell are you talking? Who are carrying to out suicide bombing these days? Who are killing innocent people today? Is it muslims or non muslims? Its the muslims.!period!

    Also I read your brothers post somewhere wherein he said that you became a muslim after you heard a call for prayer somewhere in the valleys when you were with your girlfriend which means you were never a muslim all your life. So what is it exactly? YOu say you have been a muslim all your life but the quote from your brother says its otherwise. So who's lying?

    Quote from: JackTorrance
    Then one day in the Spring of 1980, the Hass I knew dropped off my radar scanner. The last time I’d spoken to him he was about to go camping with his girlfriend Diane at a three day hippie festival in Lancashire. The next time I saw him, an impostor had taken his place. The impostor had found God and become a devout Muslim.

    Hass’s religious awakening, he later told me, was precipitated by an incident that occurred at the hippie festival in Lancashire. He and his girlfriend, Diane, had been taking a stroll above the valley the event was set in. It was sunset and very beautiful. They could see all the campfires and hustle and bustle below. As they walked down the side of the valley he heard, as clear as a bell, the call to prayer, or the Azan, as it’s known. “Strange” he said, “where could that be coming from? Can you hear it? That’s the Muslim call to prayer!” “What is?” Replied Diane “That is!” He replied, but she could hear nothing. He couldn’t understand why she couldn’t hear it. They went looking for the source, but found zilch. He took it, literally, as his calling. The experience was to change the course of his life forever.


    Quote from: Hassan
    It simply wasn't in my character. I have no doubt ppl like Abu Yunus, IslamMythology, Debunker and all the decent Muslims I know in real life are much the same.


    How many times do I need to expose you ? I never said majority of muslims can become criminals. I also gave you an example. COnsider 0.001 % becoming terrorist of 1.2 billion. its approx 10000. These many terrorists are sufficient to blow the whole world and thats why I have a problem with islam.


    Quote from: Hassan
    Sure, they stamp their own humanity on Islam - but that's what all people do to whatever religion/beliefs they have - their personality defines their beliefs and not the other way around.


    Why do you think some muslims  believe that stoning the right punishment for adulterers if its never the religion making the personality? why do some think that kafirs are  the worst ?

    Quote from: Hassan
    I think extremist, authoritarian, and fanatically obsessive character types are thankfully always in the minority - but they are basically the same no matter whether they are Muslim or non-Muslim and these FFI guys have exactly the same - hardline, extremist, "my way or the highway" - feel to them as the hardline Salafi types I used to debate on ummah.com.

    The irony!


    Anyone who doesnt believe in your crap is a extremist I guess. Try refuting me and lets see how well you can do .
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #215 - April 02, 2010, 02:13 AM

    She didn't invite the ones she thought were crazy. Minor detail there.


    Well she is quick to generalize then? How come? The fact that she invited some shows that whole of FFI isnt blamable .
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #216 - April 02, 2010, 02:20 AM


    Quote
    Anyone who doesnt believe in your crap is a extremist I guess. Try refuting me and lets see how well you can do

    .

    Well you seem to have an attitude where you think your argument will beat anyone to submission and no one can touch you.

    So in a way Hassan is right. You do have that hardline "my way or highway" attitude
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #217 - April 02, 2010, 02:28 AM

    SNB, take a break and chill out. You're not making points that are anywhere near as good as you like to tell yourself they are, and you are becoming extremely repetitive and tedious.

    The bottom line is that people do not reply in detail because they don't think it is worth their time.

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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #218 - April 02, 2010, 02:51 AM

    SNB, take a break and chill out. You're not making points that are anywhere near as good as you like to tell yourself they are, and you are becoming extremely repetitive and tedious.

    The bottom line is that people do not reply in detail because they don't think it is worth their time.

    Exactly.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #219 - April 02, 2010, 03:21 AM

    SNB, take a break and chill out. You're not making points that are anywhere near as good as you like to tell yourself they are, and you are becoming extremely repetitive and tedious.

    The bottom line is that people do not reply in detail because they don't think it is worth their time.


    If that is the case then please point out the fallacies in my argument.I am sure you will be able to do that since you claim that they are not good. Osmanthus do you think I dont understand these tactics of yours?
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #220 - April 02, 2010, 03:23 AM

    Exactly.


    Instead of acting as a cheer leader point out my fallacies if you can. How about shutting me for once and for all.? Osmanthus makes up excuses like they arent worth wasting time. Please show me how they are not worth I will happily withdraw.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #221 - April 02, 2010, 03:25 AM

    .

    Well you seem to have an attitude where you think your argument will beat anyone to submission and no one can touch you.

    So in a way Hassan is right. You do have that hardline "my way or highway" attitude



    Not at all I am asking people to show my fallacies. I am asking Hassan to show my mistakes .If he manages to show I will accept that he is right so I dont think I am stubborn .
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #222 - April 02, 2010, 03:29 AM

    It's funny because I feel like this forum has a hateful bias against Islam in certain areas, but for these FFI people there isn't enough hate? Am I in the twilight zone? ::: pinches himself :::


    Well you should never believe in opinions. I can show you plenty of people who are tired of this forum so will you change your opinion about this forum? I would say  go on logic and decide for yourself instead of believing in opinions.If I were to tell you some facts you would never ever post on this forum but I have the decency of keeping someone's private affairs as private .
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #223 - April 02, 2010, 03:36 AM

    She didn't invite the ones she thought were crazy. Minor detail there.


    Wanna ask members of FOFFI?  Cheesy . She advertised it to FOFFI members. After that she send PMs. Would you like to try again?
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #224 - April 02, 2010, 03:37 AM

    Well you should never believe in opinions. I can show you plenty of people who are tired of this forum so will you change your opinion about this forum? I would say  go on logic and decide for yourself instead of believing in opinions.If I were to tell you some facts you would never ever post on this forum but I have the decency of keeping someone's private affairs as private .

     Cheesy This is why we love you, SNB, You make great popcorn.  Afro

    Please explain how hiding behind allusions to dastardly behaviour as a means of smearing this site and the people on it, while at the same time sanctimoniously posturing as though you were some paragon of ethical behaviour because you refuse to elucidate any sound basis for your allusions, makes you in any way a good example for workable definitions of the word "decency".

    popcorn

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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #225 - April 02, 2010, 03:40 AM



    I didnt know Osmanthus you were so shameless. I mean shouldnt there be a limit?
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #226 - April 02, 2010, 03:42 AM

    Instead of acting as a cheer leader point out my fallacies if you can. How about shutting me for one and for all.? Osmanthus makes up excuses like they arent worth wasting time. Please show me how they are not worth I will happily withdraw.

    I apologize SNB, I sincerely do. I should've kept my promise to ignore you.

    I've been involved in discussions with you before and I can't go down that road again. The problem with you is not that you don't concede, that's understandable. It's just that you repeat yourself over and over and over and when posters get fed up and leave the thread, you proclaim victory and start idolizing yourself.
    In addition you are so conceited about your arguments and impervious to others' arguments, it makes you look dense. Now i don't know if you are actually dense but you certainly seem so.

    Oh and one last thing, I can be a cheerleader if I want you. You can do that too when I'm debating someone else.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #227 - April 02, 2010, 03:44 AM

    Well you should never believe in opinions. I can show you plenty of people who are tired of this forum so will you change your opinion about this forum?


    no one is keeping anyone here around against their will, so they can leave if they want to. But by all means do show us
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #228 - April 02, 2010, 03:45 AM

    @Iraqi atheist

    Show me where I didnt concede when my opponent had a point.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #229 - April 02, 2010, 03:47 AM

    I didnt know Osmanthus you were so shameless. I mean shouldnt there be a limit?

    Indeed there probably should be. I still have a faint hope that you may one day reflect upon that, but I'm not holding my breath. Smiley

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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #230 - April 02, 2010, 09:50 AM

    @Muhammad bin Lyin

    Sorry for a late reply but I was otherwise engaged.

    and yes, Democracy is nothing more than a political voting system. Nothing more.

    Huh?
    Voting system is a method by which voters make a choice between candidates.
    For example proportional voting system or plurality voting system.
    I am sure you realize that even fascism or communism do not exclude voting from the political game.

    Democracy on the other hand is a political system by means of elected representatives of the people.
    Do not confuse democracy with majority rule only - all democracies have protections of individual liberties from democratic power, therefore it is not possible for dissenting individuals to be oppressed by the "tyranny of the majority".
    And this is exactly where libertarianism/liberalism comes in with its belief in the importance of liberty and equality.
    Furthermore, freedom of political expression, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of though/religion are essential for a democracy.
    Obviously that does include Muslims as well. Hell, it even includes stupid supremacists.


    Are there socialist democracies and capitalist ones? Are there conservative democracies and liberal ones?? You're totally full of shit and busted. Liberalism has absolutely NOTHING to do with democracy, and instead of solving this mistake of yours, we're going to play little word games, while you use that as your chance to escape. Seen it before.

    This is precisely because of freedom of political expression, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of though/religion I mentioned above. See there is no absolute definition of democracy but the minimum requirement is protection of above mentioned rights.
    All democracies are essentially liberal because without liberalism there can be no dissents therefore there can be no democracy.


    Btw you forgot to answer this:
    Again, "liberal" and "democracy" are not tied together. At most, socialism can be tied to liberalism.

    I think that (in a purely utopian sense) you are actually onto something but I would appreciate if you could elaborate on it a bit.

    Thanks!

    P.S.
    I know that defining "British culture" in its entirety is not easy but I really would appreciate if you could perhaps mention a few key values that define it.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #231 - April 02, 2010, 10:09 AM

    Muhammad - don't make personal comments of that nature. It will lead either to you being banned if you do it repeatedly, or you will simply be ignored, or a sleeping dog might return that kind of rhetoric.


    Billy, does the bit about "personal comments" apply also in cases like a member making comments to a minor which might amount to sexual harassment? Does it also apply to someone making comments about pile driving another member's mom's ass?

    MBL's "personal" comment would read like a Gospel compared to the examples I gave. Those comments were not only not objected to by other members but some even tried justify them.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #232 - April 02, 2010, 10:20 AM

    PURE GOLD!!  Cheesy

    That you have amused me very much with your impression of Frank Spencer discussing 'Democracy' on the internet.

    Thanks for that  Afro




    Who cares about Spencer. I've heard of him, but never bothered to read him. Common sense tells me enough. Who needs to read him?


    Robert Spencer was not an answer and rather a cop out and attempt at graceful exit.


    OK, look, what does Robert Spencer have to do with anything?


    Isn't that something YOU should ask YOURSELF since you brought it up??



    It gets better and better Grin

    I was referring to Frank Spencer, hapless and witless figure of fun from the classic BBC sit-com 'Some Mother's Do Have Em'

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    That's who you reminded me of - and now - even more so  Grin




    Classic!  Cheesy

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #233 - April 02, 2010, 10:23 AM

    Lying for Allah FFI Cheesy

    Billy deleted his mention of Spencer. That's because originally, he DID mention Robert Spencer, but then changed it to Frank Spencer, and curiously enough, I can't even find where he mentioned any Spencer anywhere, whereas I swear I used to see it  Cheesy  and therefore can't figure out where Muhammad bin Lyin got that from.  Cheesy

    My God, is this level of pride and desperation really this necessary?? Maybe the EX Muslims are even worse then the Muslims.  Cheesy

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #234 - April 02, 2010, 10:42 AM

     Smiley Wink Cheesy Huh? Roll Eyes Kiss :'( Afro Tongue finmad wacko whistling2 grin12 cool2 mysmilie_977 parrot bunny yes piggy



    SHUT UP YOU ALL


    Now watch Dr. Hellyer .. and discuss what he is saying right or wrong..  NOT FFI vs CEMB

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-J4e4GJhFA

    H.A. Hellyer is Fellow at the Centre for Research in Ethnic Relations at the University of Warwick (UK) and Founder-Director of the West – Muslim world relations research consultancy, the Visionary Consultants Group (UK, Egypt & Malaysia). A United Nations ‘Global Expert’ on minority-majority relations, political philosophy, and the interplay between religion and modernity, Dr. Hellyer was Ford Fellow of the Project on US – Islamic World Relations at the Brookings Institution (USA).

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #235 - April 02, 2010, 11:00 AM

    Billy, does the bit about "personal comments" apply also in cases like a member making comments to a minor which might amount to sexual harassment?

    Well, since the members concerned were reprimanded by an administrator and told to drop that sort of thing you can draw your own conclusion.

    Quote
    Does it also apply to someone making comments about pile driving another member's mom's ass?

    MBL's "personal" comment would read like a Gospel compared to the examples I gave. Those comments were not only not objected to by other members but some even tried justify them.

    From memory that one was part of two adult members engaging in a slag off against each other. That's hardly a serious matter.

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  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #236 - April 02, 2010, 11:01 AM

    Quote
    Kenan: Democracy on the other hand is a political system by means of elected representatives of the people.
    Do not confuse democracies with majority rule only - all democracies have protections of individual liberties from democratic power, therefore it is not possible for dissenting individuals to be oppressed by the "tyranny of the majority".
    And this is exactly where libertarianism/liberalism comes in with its belief in the importance of liberty and equality.

     Furthermore, freedom of political expression, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of though/religion are essential for a democracy.  Obviously that does include Muslims as well. Hell, it even includes stupid supremacists.

    That is the  key for Democracy., Question is Would that be possible for  the followers of Muhammad's Islam?   Let us  take an example of Turkey.

    The Present Head of Turkey,  The Prime Minister of Turkey Mr.Erdogan  is a Good man  and Good Muslim elected on the basis of Islamic Party.  Here are his statements for the sake of GETTING ELECTED to become Turkey Prime minister

    Quote
    Prime Minister Threatens Mass “Deportations”  and if needed Another Armenian Genocide  if you Speak of the First Armenian Genocide:

     He had publicly read an Islamic poem including the lines: "The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers.  


    Such words a step below building a Fascistic sate. he may be good guy but after him if you get active and working hardliner in to the Post. then it is a slippery slope for Turkey.

    Any ways you do have good words, when you said    
    Quote
    Furthermore, freedom of political expression, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of though/religion are essential for a democracy.  

    indeed that is the key for democracy., But I am not certain it will work with Islamic Principles..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #237 - April 02, 2010, 11:39 AM

    Billy deleted his mention of Spencer. That's because originally, he DID mention Robert Spencer, but then changed it to Frank Spencer, and curiously enough, I can't even find where he mentioned any Spencer anywhere, whereas I swear I used to see it    and therefore can't figure out where Muhammad bin Lyin got that from.

    My God, is this level of pride and desperation really this necessary?? Maybe the EX Muslims are even worse then the Muslims.  


    Hello BLM, multi-nicking because you're too embarassed by your own comedy prat-falls? Don't worry, I understand  Grin

    Nope - I called him Frank Spencer, and didn't mention Robert Spencer at all. That was as much of a catastrophe for BLM as his crap spelling - an unmitigated self-humiliation  Afro


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #238 - April 02, 2010, 11:42 AM

    Hmm This is good news for the people of subcontinent ..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlZJ7RsyC0g


    Good luck to   Miss Mirza and Mr. Malik

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Do You Want To Destroy Islam?
     Reply #239 - April 02, 2010, 11:42 AM

    Now watch Dr. Hellyer .. and discuss what he is saying right or wrong..  NOT FFI vs CEMB

    Two things he said that I totally agree with.
    1. Political void or lack of political discussion in Switzerland made this referendum possible
    2. The referendum is a symptom of a certain issue and not a big issue in itself - what really needs to be done is to address the real issue

    Question is Would that be possible for  the followers of Muhammad's Islam?   Let us  take an example of Turkey.

    Do you know who is the guardian of democracy in Turkey?

    Any ways you do have good words, when you said    indeed that is the key for democracy., But I am not certain it will work with Islamic Principles..

    Too bad for Islamic principles then.
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