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Reply #150 - April 01, 2010, 10:00 PM

The 10 commandments come from the OT, but Jesus summed them up in two, love thy God and love they neighbor as thyself. So in reality the 10 commandments still apply, but are resumed in the two aforementioned commandments.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #151 - April 01, 2010, 10:43 PM

Quote from: Hassan on April 01, 2010, 08:10 PM
Yeah! Exactly! Fucking liberals - they're next on the list after Mozlems, Commies and Gays!

Did I say that?? Liberalism or conservatism can exist in democracy because democracy has nothing to do with liberal or conservative values. Get it? Get it? So once again, i ask you, why is democracy automatically tied to liberalism??
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Reply #152 - April 01, 2010, 10:45 PM

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Liberalism or conservatism can exist in democracy because democracy has nothing to do with liberal or conservative values.

Democracy is innately about the interplay of liberal and conservative values.

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #153 - April 01, 2010, 10:47 PM

I'd be interested in an answer to Kenan's question. To whit, why is it that "at most, socialism can be tied to liberalism"?

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Reply #154 - April 01, 2010, 11:04 PM

Quote from: Kenan on April 01, 2010, 08:28 PM
Care to define democracy and liberalism first so that we know what we are talking about?
What is your definition of "British culture"?

This is brilliant!
Please explain this because I really don't get it.

Quote from: Kenan on April 01, 2010, 08:28 PM
Care to define democracy and liberalism first so that we know what we are talking about?
What is your definition of "British culture"?

This is brilliant!
Please explain this because I really don't get it.

Quote from: Kenan on April 01, 2010, 08:28 PM
Care to define democracy and liberalism first so that we know what we are talking about?
What is your definition of "British culture"?

This is brilliant!
Please explain this because I really don't get it.

Democracy, theoretically and politically speaking, means the will of the people. That's it. Islam means the will of God. That's it. British culture cannot be defined in a paragraph, nor even in a book, but I know it and love it and I'll be sorry as I see it slowly disappear because of the mistakes of some "liberal" people who decided for themselves that Britain needed social engineering. Want to talk about intellectual paralysis?? OK, Europe is already screwed, and they don't even do anything about it. What do the politicians do about this inevitability?? They figure out a way to surrender in the least painful and most efficient fashion possible to where they will court the votes of those who will eventually bring down the system they participated in. That's "excessive" intellectualism. That's what happens. Defeatist attitudes will always be defeated. Amazing to me that it is the FRENCH, instead of the British that are now trying to stand up to this, but that's only because they have more of them.

What really amazes me is all of the European and American lives that were lost in WW2 to protect their cultures and countries, only to see European countries give all of that sacrifice away willingly to mere social liberalism and experimentation, and ultimately, because of this, Islam. What was the US defending that Europe was not going to ultimately and willingly give away later?
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Reply #155 - April 01, 2010, 11:06 PM

Quote from: Submissive Bob on April 01, 2010, 08:41 PM
We make laws to protect citizens. It's kind of a principle we have. Making laws to make people feel uncomfortable is not what the government is for.

Will it be that way if the demographics change?
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Reply #156 - April 01, 2010, 11:08 PM

Quote from: deusvult on April 01, 2010, 08:43 PM
people need to define Liberalism, democracy, free speech before we start going round and round on it.

Right. Liberalism and democracy are not specifically related. Liberalism might be said to be a by product of democracy in that it allows such thoughts to exist.
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Reply #157 - April 01, 2010, 11:10 PM

Quote from: billy on April 01, 2010, 10:45 PM
Democracy is innately about the interplay of liberal and conservative values.

Yes, and so what?? Democracy is a political voting system, as is Communism, or lack thereof a valid voting system. Liberalism is a philosophy of how to apply a particular system, whether that be Democracy or something else.
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Reply #158 - April 01, 2010, 11:12 PM

You didn't answer Kenan's question at all. You just went off on an unrelated rant.

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Reply #159 - April 01, 2010, 11:13 PM

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Excuse me, but where do you get this idea from?

You are excused.

Democracy in our society is shaped and has been shaped by the interplay and tensions between conservatism and liberalism. These have been defining recurrent ideas and forces that created our democratic landscape.

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Reply #160 - April 01, 2010, 11:14 PM

Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 11:10 PM
Yes, and so what?? Democracy is a political voting system, as is Communism, or lack thereof a valid voting system. Liberalism is a philosophy of how to apply a particular system, whether that be Democracy or something else.

Ah, I see, you quickly deleted what you wrote originally when you realised it was incredulous and well, silly. But you were just too slow, I already quoted it

So, see my last post, I said what I said.

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Reply #161 - April 01, 2010, 11:15 PM

Democracy is a voting system.
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Reply #162 - April 01, 2010, 11:15 PM

Quote from: billy on April 01, 2010, 11:14 PM
Ah, I see, you quickly deleted what you wrote originally when you realised it was incredulous and well, silly. But you were just too slow, I already quoted it

So, see my last post, I said what I said.

What Billy?
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Reply #163 - April 01, 2010, 11:16 PM

Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 11:15 PM
Democracy is a voting system.

You mean, democracy is nothing more than a technicality?

And are you going to answer Kenan's question?

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Reply #164 - April 01, 2010, 11:18 PM

Which question?? Please repeat it. and yes, Democracy is nothing more than a political voting system. Nothing more.
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Reply #165 - April 01, 2010, 11:21 PM

Well??? Well???
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Reply #166 - April 01, 2010, 11:24 PM

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Democracy is nothing more than a political voting system. Nothing more.

This is so reductively ignorant it is absurd. Democracy is not just a technicality. Democracy is the accumulated ideas behind the freedoms, equality, rights and responsibilities, institutions, culture and organisation of our society. An accumulation of achievments, consensus and advancements, with a philosophy, history, theory and practise stretching back thousands of years. British democracy has been finessed and extended and formed by the interplay of liberalism and conservatism in many different forms and ways.

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #167 - April 01, 2010, 11:25 PM

Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 11:21 PM
Well??? Well???

Don't you know how to use the scroll button and the mouse?

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #168 - April 01, 2010, 11:33 PM

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This is so reductively ignorant

Learn how to spell it before talking about ignorance

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it is absurd. Democracy is not just a technicality. Democracy is the accumulated ideas behind the freedoms, equality, rights and responsibilities, institutions, culture and organisation of our society. An accumulation of achievments, consensus and advancements, with a philosophy, history, theory and practise stretching back thousands of years. British democracy has been finessed and extended and formed by the interplay of liberalism and conservatism in many different forms and ways.

You're confusing the modern day Democracy spawned by the US with the Democracy they borrowed from the Greeks. It's a political voting system. Why do you think that both liberalism and conservatism exist in all Democracies?? Because neither have anything to do with Democracy. One might be able to say that more liberal people tend to desire a more Socialist society and more conservative people tend to desire a more Capitalistic society, but that's about it.
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Reply #169 - April 01, 2010, 11:35 PM

Quote from: billy on April 01, 2010, 11:24 PM
This is so reductivly igno
Quote from: billy on April 01, 2010, 11:25 PM
Don't you know how to use the scroll button and the mouse?

rant it is absurd. Democracy is not just a technicality. Democracy is the accumulated ideas behind the freedoms, equality, rights and responsibilities, institutions, culture and organisation of our society. An accumulation of achievments, consensus and advancements, with a philosophy, history, theory and practise stretching back thousands of years. British democracy has been finessed and extended and formed by the interplay of liberalism and conservatism in many different forms and ways.

Your reply came while I was writing.
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Reply #170 - April 01, 2010, 11:41 PM

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Learn how to spell it before talking about ignorance

Sorry mate, any spelling errors and typos (ummm, which ones, exactly, Master Pedant?) caused by this being a message board and not a manuscript being submitted for publication are irrelevant to identifying the laughably reductive ignorance of your commentary.

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Why do you think that both liberalism and conservatism exist in all Democracies?? Because neither have anything to do with Democracy.

They are intertwined with democracy and the very processes and formation of democracy. They have been formed by democracy and in turn have formed our practise of democracy.

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #171 - April 01, 2010, 11:48 PM

ignorant was spelt correctly. Pot / kettle

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Reply #172 - April 01, 2010, 11:51 PM

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #173 - April 01, 2010, 11:52 PM

Look, at best, they are outcomes of democracy, but they really are philosophies rather than political systems, just as capitalism and socialism are economic systems that can both exist in democracies, the same as democracies can elect liberal or conservative governments. That's because democracy is merely a voting system.
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Reply #174 - April 01, 2010, 11:58 PM

Quote from: IsLame on April 01, 2010, 11:48 PM
ignorant was spelt correctly. Pot / kettle

Quote from: IsLame on April 01, 2010, 11:48 PM
ignorant was spelt correctly. Pot / kettle

Spell check of the Forum's software flagged "reductively", and that's what I was talking about. So you didn't even know what was being referred to. Whistle whistle...doo doo doo, I'm so smart, doo doo doo, pot kettle, doo doo doo
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Reply #175 - April 01, 2010, 11:58 PM

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Reply #176 - April 02, 2010, 12:00 AM

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Look, at best, they are outcomes of democracy

They are products, and formers of OUR democracy. They are intrinsic to them. And as philosophies and ideas they have shaped and expanded the philosophy and idea of democracy itself. Democracy is not a static technicality, it is an ever changing, refining system of thought and principle and philosophy that shapes us as a culture.

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #177 - April 02, 2010, 12:01 AM

Quote from: Muhammad bin Lyin on April 01, 2010, 11:58 PM
Spell check of the Forum's software flagged "reductively", and that's what I was talking about. So you didn't even know what was being referred to. Whistle whistle...doo doo doo, I'm so smart, doo doo doo, pot kettle, doo doo doo

You may be smart, but "reductively" was spelt correctly too?

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re·duc·tive (r-dktv)
adj.
1. Of or relating to reduction.
2. Relating to, being an instance of, or exhibiting reductionism.
3. Relating to or being an instance of reductivism.

re·ductive·ly adv.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Reductively

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Reply #178 - April 02, 2010, 12:05 AM

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They are products, and formers of OUR democracy.

Billy, a product is an outcome. Please stop trying to play with word technicalities

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They are intrinsic to them. And as philosophies and ideas they have shaped and expanded the philosophy and idea of democracy itself. Democracy is not a static technicality, it is an ever changing, refining system of thought and principle and philosophy that shapes us as a culture.

You keep spouting these ideas but you give no basis except for your opinion. Democracy is a political voting system and there are many forms of it that are independent of cultures or philosophies because it is only a voting system that demands that the people be heard. That's it..
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Reply #179 - April 02, 2010, 12:06 AM

Quote from: IsLame on April 02, 2010, 12:01 AM
You may be smart, but "reductively" was spelt correctly too?

I said the forum's spell check flagged it. Did you read that part??
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