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  • Question: Do you want to destroy HIV?
  • Yes, HIV represents a threat to Humanity. - 8 (40%)
  • Yes, and I think Other viruses should be Destroyed too! - 8 (40%)
  • No, I think that we should just avoid those activities which cause its spread. - 1 (5%)
  • No, I think HIV is just fine - it's all the fault of infected people in spreading this menace. - 3 (15%)
  • Total Voters: 20

 Topic: Do you want to destroy HIV?

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  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #30 - April 02, 2010, 04:07 PM

    I know, analogy implies it's a comparable example. I guess I want to get to the crux of your general point and ask do you think Christianity has been 'destroyed'?


    No. The virulent form of Christianity is only wounded/over powered/dormant, and not destroyed. It still retains its potential of going back to its bad form. And I think it might do so in reaction to the problems Islamists are causing all over the west. That would be a real bad day for humanity.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #31 - April 02, 2010, 04:10 PM

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    No, I think HIV is just fine - it's all the fault of infected people in spreading this menace.


    The option got one vote!!  Cheesy

    But I think this position can also be argued for, and it would be quite interesting to hear the views of the person who voted for this option.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #32 - April 02, 2010, 04:12 PM

    Sorry, but you are sidetracking the issue with technicalities.

    No, I am trying to help you so your time here is as productive as you would like.  Liken FFI coming to COEM to primal Muslims when they come to Europe (I know you like simple reductionist analogies but I dont).  Try changing your aggressive & over exaggerated manner and communicate like a gentleman, and you will see here that your conversations here will bear more fruit. 

    Otherwise you are best of sticking to FFI otherwise all you will get here is ridicule.


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    If you noticed, I stated that for me destruction/neutralization of Islam mean the same thing

    Cheesy neutralization & destruction really do give 2 different impressions. 

    If you cant see that then you

    i) need to learn some English
    ii) committing FFaqIya, in order to dishonestly save your flailing argument
    iii) need a basic lesson in human interaction & communication

    Quote
    I could have asked the same question to Hassan (what does he mean "destroy Islam?"), but I got his meaning. I could understand that literal destruction of Islam or any other religion is not possible so he must have meant rendering it impotent, irrelevant, defanged and so on an so forth. Why is it so difficult for you to understand the same here? When I ask if you want to destroy HIV, I surely don't mean we would be able to find and maybe bomb all the HIV into oblivion.


    Like I said earlier, I find these simplistic analogies as dumb & pointless.  Mind memetics is a completely different subject to biologically destroying viruses.

    We can start with one deals with humans and the other doesnt, but I guess thats irrelevent to a simple reductionist like you.

    You might as well just ask me if I am restricting the freedom of choice of a child by denying him a box full of sweets.  I will say yes, and you can accuse me of being a hypocrite. 

    Nice one. 

    You win. 

    Now leave me alone Afro

    You could give the same advice to the starter of the other poll too. The wording was chosen to match the other poll. Almost all the criticisms of this poll and its choices apply to the other poll as well. How come the other poll is ok and this one is not? Is it because it was started by me?  How come the same choice of wording is peaceful, politically correct and fully acceptable at the other thread? I would make the same statement about the other poll

    Dont know which poll you are talking about.  In any case, if Hassan said something, I know in which context he is referring.  And I know which context you are referring when you start polls on HIV Wink



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  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #33 - April 02, 2010, 04:23 PM

    No. The virulent form of Christianity is only wounded/over powered/dormant, and not destroyed. It still retains its potential of going back to its bad form. And I think it might do so in reaction to the problems Islamists are causing all over the west. That would be a real bad day for humanity.


    So do you want to destroy Christianity?

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #34 - April 02, 2010, 04:48 PM

    No, I am trying to help you so your time here is as productive as you would like.


    Thank you very much.

    Quote
    Liken FFI coming to COEM to primal Muslims when they come to Europe (I know you like simple reductionist analogies but I dont).


    Sorry to say this, but you don't seem to have overcome the sense of superiority even after apostatizing. You were superior as a Muslim, and you are superior as an ex.

    Quote
    Try changing your aggressive & over exaggerated manner and communicate like a gentleman, and you will see here that your conversations here will bear more fruit.

     

    I don't know what aggression you saw in this thread. I think that the parallel bugged you a bit too much. No other member seems to have seen "aggression" in this thread.

    Quote
    Otherwise you are best of sticking to FFI otherwise all you will get here is ridicule.


    Thanks for the advice, but I really think it is up to me to decide where I am going to be at a particular time. Ridicule I can handle.

    Quote
    Cheesy neutralization & destruction really do give 2 different impressions.  

    If you cant see that then you

    i) need to learn some English
    ii) committing FFaqIya, in order to dishonestly save your flailing argument
    iii) need a basic lesson in human interaction & communication


    I don't know if you bothered to read what I wrote in response to z10. By the way, neutralizing a poison DOES mean its destruction. Neutralization of a prominent property of anything is akin to its destruction.

    By the way, I took you advice and tried to learn some English.

    de·stroy   /dɪˈstrɔɪ/  Show Spelled[dih-stroi]  Show IPA
    –verb (used with object)
    1.to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains, as by rending, burning, or dissolving; injure beyond repair or renewal; demolish; ruin; annihilate.
    2.to put an end to; extinguish.
    3.to kill; slay.
    4.to render ineffective or useless; nullify; neutralize; invalidate.
    5.to defeat completely.


    But what is the use? No matter what I write, I am always declared to be a loser.

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    Like I said earlier, I find these simplistic analogies as dumb & pointless.  Mind memetics is a completely different subject to biologically destroying viruses.


    Come on!! As if I ever claimed that they were exactly the same.

    Some day I will come to you to learn about really "complex" and "smart" analogies.

    Quote
    We can start with one deals with humans and the other doesnt, but I guess thats irrelevent to a simple reductionist like you.

     

    Analogy is NOT about the differences, it is about corresponding in SOME particular. But may be you have learned English with some other dictionary.

    Quote
    You might as well just ask me if I am restricting the freedom of choice of a child by denying him a box full of sweets.  I will say yes, and you can accuse me of being a hypocrite.  

    Nice one.  

    You win.


    Now that is called "simplistic analogy". I thought you would give me some example of a complex analogy to educate me. By giving the example of how slavery was abolished, I demonstrated that sometimes the use of force might be necessary even at the cost of freedom of choice. Attempts to commit suicide is considered a crime in some countries for exactly the same reasons. Such issues are debatable, and it is wrong to assume a high moral ground taking one end of the argument.

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    Now leave me alone Afro


    We can continue discussing things, if not on this thread then on some other if you deign to talk to me, and can put up with my bigotry.

    Quote
    Dont know which poll you are talking about.  In any case, if Hassan said something,


    LOL.

    Quote
    I know in which context he is referring.  And I know which context you are referring when you start polls on HIV Wink


    So? Want to tell me how HIV and Islam are different?

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #35 - April 02, 2010, 04:49 PM

    So do you want to destroy Christianity?


    Yes. But it has a lower priority for me at the moment  Cheesy

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #36 - April 02, 2010, 05:25 PM

    You were superior as a Muslim, and you are superior as an ex.

    Nice bit of reverse takfir there, but its a fail nonetheless.
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    I don't know what aggression you saw in this thread. I think that the parallel bugged you a bit too much. No other member seems to have seen "aggression" in this thread.


    The word you used works better on FFI, where you can use annihilate, ethnically cleanse too.  We choose not to use such vocabluary as its usage is ugly, just like the cesspit you came from.

    Quote
    Thanks for the advice, but I really think it is up to me to decide where I am going to be at a particular time. Ridicule I can handle.

    I don't know if you bothered to read what I wrote in response to z10. By the way, neutralizing a poison DOES mean its destruction. Neutralization of a prominent property of anything is akin to its destruction.

    By the way, I took you advice and tried to learn some English.

    de·stroy   /dɪˈstrɔɪ/  Show Spelled[dih-stroi]  Show IPA
    –verb (used with object)
    1.to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains, as by rending, burning, or dissolving; injure beyond repair or renewal; demolish; ruin; annihilate.
    2.to put an end to; extinguish.
    3.to kill; slay.
    4.to render ineffective or useless; nullify; neutralize; invalidate.
    5.to defeat completely.

    Stop flogging a dead horse, you wont pull the wool over my eyes. The context in which FFI use the word destroy Islam, is different and you know that. "Neutralise" & "destroy" give a different understandin - not it also uses the definition as to "kill" "slay" but you didnt highlight them.  I wonder why Thinking hard 

     P.S its good practise to provide a source for external information,.  Perhaps its not what you do at FFI, but we always do it here for all dictionary definitions & otherwise Wink

    Quote
    But what is the use? No matter what I write, I am always declared to be a loser.

    If one tactic doesnt work, then try another one  Afro

    Quote
    Come on!! As if I ever claimed that they were exactly the same.

     
    You were attempting to draw inferences by assuming they were a similar problem.  Try pulling my other leg, because this one isnt working.
    Quote
    Analogy is NOT about the differences, it is about corresponding in SOME particular

    .
    Yep, like comparing the HIV virus to Islam - nice one  Afro
    Quote
    Now that is called "simplistic analogy". I thought you would give me some example of a complex analogy to educate me.

     
    Thats my point, you dont need to draw dumb parallels just to somehow prove that the original argument is true.  Why not talk about the issue at hand, not that I want to encourage an exchange because we talk different languages.
    Quote
    We can continue discussing things, if not on this thread then on some other if you deign to talk to me, and can put up with my bigotry.

    I'll try
    Quote
    So? Want to tell me how HIV and Islam are different?

     mysmilie_977

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  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #37 - April 02, 2010, 05:56 PM

    The word you used works better on FFI, where you can use annihilate, ethnically cleanse too.  We choose not to use such vocabluary as its usage is ugly, just like the cesspit you came from.


    No, it works equally well at CEMB too, and was used too recently by Hassan for you to forget. But you didn't notice that, did you? By the way, it is worth reminding that many of your initial members are the products of the same cesspit. And you yourself don't feel any disgust in taking a dip in that cesspit when you have to sell your products.
     
    Quote
    The context in which FFI use the word destroy Islam, is different and you know that. "Neutralise" & "destroy" give a different understandin - not it also uses the definition as to "kill" "slay" but you didnt highlight them.  I wonder why Thinking hard

     

    No need to think too much, I will tell you. It is because FFI thinks Islam to be an evil human or beast and intends to kill it by stoning or hanging.

    Quote
    P.S its good practise to provide a source for external information,.  Perhaps its not what you do at FFI, but we always do it here for all dictionary definitions & otherwise Wink


    Since you were trying to teach me English, I thought you already knew the different meanings of the word. I just copied the text from the source to show you that I was indeed trying to learn. Anyway, here it is:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/destroy
     
    Quote
    You were attempting to draw inferences by assuming they were a similar problem.  Try pulling my other leg, because this one isnt working..


    You talked of "completely different" and I talked of they being "exactly the same". Talk of strawman. How come you could see the mote in my eye?

    Quote
    Yep, like comparing the HIV virus to Islam - nice one  Afro

     

    To remind you, it was you who brought Islam in the discussion, I didn't. (EDIT: And it was you who brought FFI vs CEMB in this thread) I was initially just comparing the polls.

    Quote
    Why not talk about the issue at hand


    And what do you think is the issue at hand?

    Quote
    mysmilie_977


    It is my turn to return the favor. Look up "Rhetorical Question".

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #38 - April 02, 2010, 06:03 PM

    Quote from: Islame
    The word you used works better on FFI, where you can use annihilate, ethnically cleanse too.  We choose not to use such vocabluary as its usage is ugly, just like the cesspit you came from.


    Please dont pretend to be on higher moral ground as I know  all the dirty things that are planned in Valhalla. Sorry I had to call you on that on the public forum. Btw When we say destroy islam it means destroy islam . I hope you know islam and muslim are 2 different  words and hence destroying islam doesnt imply destroying muslims.



  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #39 - April 02, 2010, 06:16 PM

    At COEM, we are focusing our efforts on making Islam irrelevent by making the host less willing to accept it.

    FFI on the other hand want to destroy Islam, but will never be able to do so.  

    We all know viruses are indestructible and attempting to cull them might make them even more likely to mutate and more virulent, making a bigger problem than what you first started with!


    Islam can  be destroyed through pen  and it needs to be destroyed . We cant keep a religion that breeds criminals . I gave an analogy on the other thread. Imagine you are asked to drive a car and you are told that there is a possibility that the car's brakes would fail . Would you still drive the car and take the risk? I suppose your answer is no because you know you might meet with an accident similarly we know that indoctrination arising because of islam creates criminals and hence we should destroy islam . I would want to destroy it via arguments .Whether its possible or not is a different issue but if you take efforts then someday may be people would be ashamed to call themselves as muslims. Someone has to take the initiative  someday then only islam will vanish someday.


  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #40 - April 02, 2010, 06:32 PM

    So you want to completely secularise Islam?

    'Compare the polls'

    Why were you trying to compare the polls, is that just something you do?

    What dirty things are planned in Valhalla SNB?


    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #41 - April 02, 2010, 06:41 PM

    Quote from: HeyJustlooking
    So you want to completely secularise Islam?

    'Compare the polls'

    Why were you trying to compare the polls, is that just something you do?

    What dirty things are planned in Valhalla SNB?


    You should be knowing all the things if you are a member of Valhalla. I want to destroy islam .
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #42 - April 02, 2010, 08:05 PM

    No, it works equally well at CEMB too, and was used too recently by Hassan for you to forget. But you didn't notice that, did you? By the way, it is worth reminding that many of your initial members are the products of the same cesspit. And you yourself don't feel any disgust in taking a dip in that cesspit when you have to sell your products.

     
    I dont mind selling my wares in a cesspit if that is the best way to get exposure, I just try my best to avoid being part of it.  You'll see I have managed that pretty well, as well as many others here.  Problem is thats its so good here, we cant get you lot to go back!

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    No need to think too much, I will tell you. It is because FFI thinks Islam to be an evil human or beast and intends to kill it by stoning or hanging.

     
    No need to tell me, I already know. Perhaps you should take a few years to contemplate your stance, and come back after you've become enlightened.

    Quote
    To remind you, it was you who brought Islam in the discussion, I didn't. (EDIT: And it was you who brought FFI vs CEMB in this thread) I was initially just comparing the polls.

    I thought I'd beat you to it Wink
    Quote
    It is my turn to return the favor. Look up "Rhetorical Question".

    Cant be bothered
    Quote
    And what do you think is the issue at hand?

    Again sorry, dont wish to be drawn into a discussion with you.

    Kthnxbi

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  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #43 - April 02, 2010, 09:49 PM

    You should be knowing all the things if you are a member of Valhalla. I want to destroy islam .



    I'll tell you now I don't know what you are referring to but since you said we are planning 'dirty' things I am quite curious to know what you are alleging.

    What does destroy mean?

    Is this a hard question to address?

    For me I want to destroy the political nature of Islam completely,to render it harmless to others at least on a physical level, but I'm assuming you want to do more?


    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #44 - April 02, 2010, 10:38 PM

    The poll is misleading. It puts forward a false dilemma. There should be at least one other option."Develop a vaccine and study the virus because there is much we can learn from it and use the acquired knowledge in the next outbreak of another virus."

    +1
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #45 - April 03, 2010, 12:44 AM

    I'd like to destroy FFI, and ban these fuckers. So annoying.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #46 - April 03, 2010, 02:01 AM

    @Iblis

    I know you are hurt because someone is causing a pain in your ass by exposing your hypocrisy but you will get used to it mate.I mean you should learn to have patience. This is just the beginning.
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #47 - April 03, 2010, 02:30 AM

     
    I dont mind selling my wares in a cesspit if that is the best way to get exposure

     Cheesy

    Quote
    Problem is thats its so good here, we cant get you lot to go back!


    Nice self back patting; I have a totally different reason to be here though. It is very easy to make us go back, ban us.
     
    Quote
    Again sorry, dont wish to be drawn into a discussion with you.

    Heard that before from many.

    Quote
    Kthnxbi


    Bye for now, see you later hopefully.

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    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #48 - April 04, 2010, 08:51 AM

    I'd like to destroy FFI, and ban these fuckers. So annoying.


    I think I should start another thread about destroying the FFI as there are already polls on destruction running currently.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #49 - April 04, 2010, 09:10 AM

    If the virus is alive (well not technically alive but akin to it) why not make it extinct just as other life forms go extinct? I say destroy it.


    Irrespective of whether I agree with your opinion fully or not, I appreciate your frank opinion without any obfuscation and ifs and buts. Thanks.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #50 - April 04, 2010, 09:13 AM

    I think I should start another thread about destroying the FFI as there are already polls on destruction running currently.

    You interpretated it wrongly - he just meant neutralise

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  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #51 - April 04, 2010, 09:13 AM

    I want to destroy all sexually transmitted diseases, the sciency types can be left a few samples of it for further studying like they want to, whilst the rest of us can enjoy the fruits of risk free sex.   dance

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #52 - April 04, 2010, 09:23 AM

    You interpretated it wrongly - he just meant neutralise


     Cheesy No problem, I too didn't interpret his statement to mean that he wanted to kill/slay FFI as FFI is not some living organism which can be killed/slayed.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #53 - April 04, 2010, 09:25 AM

    I want to destroy all sexually transmitted diseases, the sciency types can be left a few samples of it for further studying like they want to, whilst the rest of us can enjoy the fruits of risk free sex.   dance


    lol, I agree with you. Risk free sex would be really great.

    But you didn't vote, Berbs, did you?

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #54 - April 04, 2010, 09:33 AM

    I did now.   Afro

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Do you want to destroy HIV?
     Reply #55 - April 04, 2010, 10:11 AM

    I did now.   Afro

    Thanks for voting, Berbs.

    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
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