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OP - April 09, 2010, 06:56 AM

Is there any other god that constantly tell and remind his followers that they are his slaves, other than Allah? Also, In Islam, the names: Abdullah, Abdulhamid, Abdulrahman, Abdulsalam... etc, are also present.

As you all know, ABDUL= Slave/Servant

When I was a Muslim it always bothered me that I have to worship a god that constantly belittles and degrades me.

Did any one here thought the same about this?

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Reply #1 - April 09, 2010, 09:01 AM

Quote from: RIBS on April 09, 2010, 06:56 AM
Is there any other god that constantly tell and remind his followers that they are his slaves, other than Allah? Also, In Islam, the names: Abdullah, Abdulhamid, Abdulrahman, Abdulsalam... etc, are also present.

As you all know, ABDUL= Slave/Servant

When I was a Muslim it always bothered me that I have to worship a god that constantly belittles and degrades me.

Did any one here thought the same about this?

Thats the one thing I can't work out about Islam and Arab culture when compared to Judaism/Christianity where the names have alot nicer, more spiritual meaning; take my name which is Matthew which means "Gift of God", my sisters name is Erin which means "Ireland" and my brother is Benjamin which means "son of my right hand" - so I guess given the state of the Islamic world, names definitely have an impact on how people behave.

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Reply #2 - April 09, 2010, 06:36 PM

Quote from: kaiwai on April 09, 2010, 09:01 AM
Thats the one thing I can't work out about Islam and Arab culture when compared to Judaism/Christianity where the names have alot nicer, more spiritual meaning; take my name which is Matthew which means "Gift of God", my sisters name is Erin which means "Ireland" and my brother is Benjamin which means "son of my right hand" - so I guess given the state of the Islamic world, names definitely have an impact on how people behave.

What language is that? Interesting. Yes I never understood the Abdul part of Muslim names. And guess what? There are Abdul Rasool and Abdul Nabi, both means the Slave of the Prophet! Can you belive that? I thought that was Shirk!!

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Reply #3 - April 09, 2010, 06:41 PM

Quote from: RIBS on April 09, 2010, 06:36 PM
What language is that? Interesting. Yes I never understood the Abdul part of Muslim names. And guess what? There are Abdul Rasool and Abdul Nabi, both means the Slave of the Prophet! Can you belive that? I thought that was Shirk!!

Yeah they have names like abdunabi and abdurasool in Egypt and yes they are haram but the ordinary Egyptians don't really care. btw some Christians have abdulmaseeh (slave of the messiah).
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Reply #4 - April 09, 2010, 08:36 PM

actually ..3abd means slave.. the ul part is just like ' of ' or ' the'..
blacks in arabic are called 3abeed... plural for 3abd.. says alot on it own i think..
even thou muslims recognize ' prophets' like yahya - john or yunus - jonah..harun -araon..yaqub -jacob.. and so on ..they never consider naming their child these ... not submissive enough..
i know alot of arab muslims that actually want a horrible life.. because they beleive they will get some extra goodies in the afterlife.. so they sabotage existence from the start .. with a name slave..

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Reply #5 - April 09, 2010, 09:22 PM

Quote from: Hassan on April 09, 2010, 06:41 PM
Yeah they have names like abdunabi and abdurasool in Egypt and yes they are haram but the ordinary Egyptians don't really care. btw some Christians have abdulmaseeh (slave of the messiah).

Ha! This is new for me!

Hassan, is this only true for Egyptian christians?

Quote from: nessrriinn on April 09, 2010, 08:36 PM
actually ..3abd means slave.. the ul part is just like ' of ' or ' the'..

Yes you are right Nessrin. My mistake! Abd = Slave ..... Thanx for correcting

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Reply #6 - April 09, 2010, 09:32 PM

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terms_in_Arabic
‘Abd (عبد)
servant, worshipper, slave. Muslims consider themselves servants and slaves of God. Common Muslim names such as Abdullah (Servant of God), Abdul-Malik (Slave of the King), Abdur-Rahmān (Slave of the most Beneficent), Abdus-Salām (Slave of Peace), all refer to names of Allah.

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Reply #7 - April 09, 2010, 10:50 PM

Quote from: RIBS on April 09, 2010, 09:22 PM
Ha! This is new for me!

Hassan, is this only true for Egyptian christians?

I don't know - I have only heard it in Egypt - but that doesn't mean other Christian Arabs don't use it.
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Reply #8 - April 09, 2010, 10:54 PM

Who will free the slaves of God? End the bondage! We shall overcome, we shall overcome

Your name is Toby!

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Reply #9 - April 09, 2010, 11:02 PM

Quote from: awais on April 09, 2010, 10:54 PM
Who will free the slaves of God? End the bondage! We shall overcome, we shall overcome

Your name is Toby!

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Reply #10 - April 10, 2010, 04:03 AM

Quote from: RIBS on April 09, 2010, 06:36 PM
What language is that? Interesting. Yes I never understood the Abdul part of Muslim names. And guess what? There are Abdul Rasool and Abdul Nabi, both means the Slave of the Prophet! Can you belive that? I thought that was Shirk!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_(name)

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Matthew (pronounced /ˈmæθjuː/) is the standard English for the Hebrew Bible name Μαθθαιος[1], a Koine Greek transliteration of the Aramaic diminutive מתי (Mattay, Maty). From Latin Matthæus, the English spelling Matthew comes directly from the French Matthieu (earlier Matheu). Ultimately derived from the Hebrew name מתתיהו (Matatyahu, Mattathias) or מתיתיהו (Matityahu, Mattithiah), Matthew means "gift of YHWH". The Hebrew name is also spelled מתניהו (Matanyahu, Mattaniah). Related names include נתניהו (Netanyahu, Nethaniah), and with swapped syllables יהונתן (Yehonatan, Jonathan).

A common name in the West, it is traditionally spelled "Matthew" in English, but sometimes "Mathew", and even as the Muslim name Mathyu. Matt is the most common hypocoristic form of the name in English. "Matthew" can also be a middle name, and the English surnames Matthew, Matthews, Mathis, Mathewson, and Mattison are among many family names derived from it.

The name "Matthew" has historically been distinguished from the related but less common (in English) name Matthias, and is clearly distinguished in most other European languages.

Many names used by those in the west have their origins in the bible which therefore has their origins in Hebrew.

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Reply #11 - April 10, 2010, 04:44 AM

When ever I hear the name "Matthew", somehow Cat Stevens springs to mind! LOL

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Reply #12 - April 10, 2010, 11:48 AM

Quote from: RIBS on April 10, 2010, 04:44 AM
When ever I hear the name "Matthew", somehow Cat Stevens springs to mind! LOL

Probably because of the song 'Matthew and Son.'
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Reply #13 - April 10, 2010, 12:07 PM

Yup, that is it. Love the old 70's Cat Stevens.

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Reply #14 - April 10, 2010, 02:22 PM

The abrahamic faiths and the middle eastern pagan faiths both have even names where they call themselves with pride the servants of their gods. The ancient greeks at one time also had that belief. I don't understand it, why be a slave of your god?

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Reply #15 - April 10, 2010, 03:47 PM

that is religion for you. worshiping is to be submissive and become slave to the almighty

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Reply #16 - April 10, 2010, 07:01 PM

because religion is about giving up your own desires, thoughts, moral attitudes, etc and replacing them with < insert Abrahamic religion>. The best analogy that mankind has to that is slavery.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #17 - April 10, 2010, 10:55 PM

I pity them muzzlemens and cristenmens.

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Reply #18 - April 11, 2010, 06:04 AM

Quote from: ninurta on April 10, 2010, 02:22 PM
The abrahamic faiths and the middle eastern pagan faiths both have even names where they call themselves with pride the servants of their gods. The ancient greeks at one time also had that belief. I don't understand it, why be a slave of your god?

I wouldn't call it a Abrahamic tradition given that no such blind following exists in Judaism; in fact there are numerous examples outlined by Rabbi Jonathan Sacks where man 'wrestles' with God. Its pretty much an Islamic thing with this fetish over being a slave to Allah.

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Reply #19 - April 11, 2010, 06:51 AM

It goes to show that Islam, like Christianity and most of the rest of the major religions, was a product of slave-based society.

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Reply #20 - April 11, 2010, 07:10 AM

Quote from: panoptic on April 11, 2010, 06:51 AM
It goes to show that Islam, like Christianity and most of the rest of the major religions, was a product of slave-based society.

Or just re-enforces what the Tanach describes the Arabs as in Gensis 16:11-12

11 "And an angel of Hashem said to her, "Behold, you will conceive, and give birth to a son; you shall name him Ishmael, for Hashem has heard your prayer."

12 "And he shall be a wild-ass of a man; his hand against everyone, and everyone's hand against him; and over all his brothers shall he dwell"

Which describes the Arab Islamic mind set quite well given the way Muslims behave - thousands of years before the rise of Islam a lone writer could see what an uncivilised cunt would rise forth out of the primordial ooze of Beduin tribes.

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Reply #21 - April 11, 2010, 07:43 AM

Have you converted to Judaism now?

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Reply #22 - April 11, 2010, 07:58 AM

Quote from: panoptic on April 11, 2010, 07:43 AM
Have you converted to Judaism now?

Still plodding my way through the books; if I do convert (98.9% likelihood), it'll be reform or reconstructionist Judaism.

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Reply #23 - April 11, 2010, 08:07 AM

Whatever religion you join, you are beyond help.

[I was only asking in jest too...]

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Reply #24 - April 11, 2010, 08:11 AM

So you think there is no hope what so ever?

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Reply #25 - April 11, 2010, 08:16 AM

Not sure.

There might be a dim light in that very dark tunnel. Maybe.

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Reply #26 - April 11, 2010, 08:16 AM

Quote from: kaiwai on April 11, 2010, 07:58 AM
Still plodding my way through the books; if I do convert (98.9% likelihood), it'll be reform or reconstructionist Judaism.

kaiwai - that is an incredibly precise figure - however did you compute it?

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Reply #27 - April 11, 2010, 08:38 AM

Quote from: z10 on April 11, 2010, 08:16 AM
kaiwai - that is an incredibly precise figure - however did you compute it?

I always like to leave a slight gap incase circumstances change 1.1% is that perfect number I've settled upon lol

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Reply #28 - April 11, 2010, 08:39 AM

I don't know if you've mentioned this anywhere previously and apologies if you have, but why do you think reform judaism is the complete and utter truth about the cosmos? (even allowing for the 1.1% of uncertainty )

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Reply #29 - April 11, 2010, 08:45 AM

Quote from: z10 on April 11, 2010, 08:39 AM
I don't know if you've mentioned this anywhere previously and apologies if you have, but why do you think reform judaism is the complete and utter truth about the cosmos? (even allowing for the 1.1% of uncertainty )

But Reform Judaism makes no such claim

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/ref.html

Yes there is a belief in God but no one in their right mind would say the Genesis story is a literal retelling of creation from start to finish lol

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