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  • Question: Who will you vote for?
  • Labour - 1 (2.8%)
  • Conservative - 4 (11.1%)
  • Liberal Democrat - 12 (33.3%)
  • UKIP - 0 (0%)
  • SNP - 0 (0%)
  • Green - 0 (0%)
  • Democratic Unionist - 0 (0%)
  • BNP - 1 (2.8%)
  • Plaid Cymru - 0 (0%)
  • Sinn Fein - 0 (0%)
  • Ulster Unionist - 0 (0%)
  • SDLP - 0 (0%)
  • Other - 0 (0%)
  • I'm undecided. - 0 (0%)
  • I can't vote. - 13 (36.1%)
  • I won't vote. - 5 (13.9%)
  • Total Voters: 36

 Topic: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?

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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #450 - May 08, 2010, 07:28 PM
    If Clegg gives up PR he will miss the chance of a lifetime. His party will remain out of power for decades.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #451 - May 08, 2010, 09:31 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 08, 2010, 04:33 PM
    Never heard of it - is it the same as proportional representation?

    PR has several different forms. AV and STV are two of those.
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #452 - May 08, 2010, 10:09 PM
    Quote from: Pariah on May 08, 2010, 02:12 PM
    I voted Lib Dem and feel cheated.


    Huh? That's a bit... out of the blue. We haven't really even heard anything yet! There's nothing at all to feel cheated about...
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #453 - May 08, 2010, 10:10 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 08, 2010, 04:17 PM
    What choice does he have if Conservative & Labour dont agree to these demands, in fact I doubt they will. 

    Dont forget Camerons own party wont forgive him if he offers it, because loads of their mp's will be out of a job at the next election.  In turn he will also be out of a job.  Afaik 75% of his party will need to agree to whatever Cameron/Brown put on the table, and that aint gonna happen with PR.  Electoral reform I think is the best they can hope for.


    I know right? People are acting as if Lib Dems have won the election!
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #454 - May 08, 2010, 11:41 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on May 08, 2010, 09:31 PM
    PR has several different forms. AV and STV are two of those.

    Sounds a bit strange to me?  Why would Brown offer that before the threat of a hung parliament, if it would mean an end to 2 party politics in Britain, at the very least it would mean Labour would lose more seats and their grip on future power  Huh? This is politics, and its a dog eat dog world out there..
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #455 - May 09, 2010, 12:09 AM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on May 08, 2010, 07:28 PM
    If Clegg gives up PR he will miss the chance of a lifetime. His party will remain out of power for decades.

    Like I said, I dont think its whether he will miss it, I think it depends on whether he is given a choice.  Clegg is certainly not stupid, he is an atheist after all Wink Even if he is allowing his wife to raise his kids as Catholics  mysmilie_977
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #456 - May 09, 2010, 03:26 AM
    You MUST see this:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8670297.stm
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #457 - May 09, 2010, 08:40 AM
    that was different!
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #458 - May 09, 2010, 10:49 AM
    I was sad to see Evan Harris lose his seat in Oxford West - particularly as he was the only MP who actually made the effort to attend and speak at one of our "One Law for All" rallies.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #459 - May 09, 2010, 10:57 AM
    Your election seriously doesn't make sense.
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #460 - May 09, 2010, 12:00 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 09, 2010, 10:49 AM
    I was sad to see Evan Harris lose his seat in Oxford West - particularly as he was the only MP who actually made the effort to attend and speak at one of our "One Law for All" rallies.


    Yeah, that really is a shame actually.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #461 - May 09, 2010, 12:16 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on May 09, 2010, 10:57 AM
    Your election seriously doesn't make sense.

    It's not supposed to, else we wouldn't need a political class.
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #462 - May 09, 2010, 12:31 PM
    Keith Olbermann on the UK election.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOIofr_e-QU
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #463 - May 09, 2010, 01:32 PM
    Very good round-up of events so far, and where I see things atm  Afro

    The thing I dont get is, why is there all this talk of another election within 1 year?  Its a 4 years term normally isnt it?
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #464 - May 10, 2010, 04:48 PM
    Gordon Brown's announced his intention to step down as leader. I'd be pretty fucking shocked if the Liberal Democrats didn't now team up with Labour.
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #465 - May 10, 2010, 04:50 PM
    OMG!  I didnt expect that today
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #466 - May 10, 2010, 04:50 PM
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #467 - May 10, 2010, 05:00 PM
    Which will mean Labour impose a second Prime Minister in a row on the country without going to the electorate. Doesn't sit easy that, and could leave the British public resenting them.

    Gordon fell on his sword, he had no choice.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #468 - May 10, 2010, 05:03 PM
    Oh shit. Good point. Fucks sake! Why can we hold elections on this? This is getting ridiculous!
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #469 - May 10, 2010, 05:08 PM
    So wait, does this mean Labor is still in power? Can somebody explain to me the current status of the elections?
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #470 - May 10, 2010, 05:12 PM
    Gordon Brown was one of the reasons the LibDems didn't want a coalition with Labour. With Brown gone, a coalition is much more likely. However the next PM of Labour doesn't need to be elected. If a coalition does happen, we will have yet another unelected PM by the same party.
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #471 - May 10, 2010, 05:16 PM
    Quote from: billy on May 10, 2010, 05:00 PM
    Which will mean Labour impose a second Prime Minister in a row on the country without going to the electorate. Doesn't sit easy that, and could leave the British public resenting them.

    Doesn't bother me. I'm just hoping they can get a Lib-Lab deal ironed out quickly. It's a parliamentary system after all, not a presidential one. The British public should have been well aware that this was a possibility. As for being resentful, why? The majority of the country voted left of centre. The only people who'd be annoyed are Conservative voters, but then so fucking what? They didn't get a majority either, and there's no other credible centre-right party they could merge with. I wouldn't mind having the progressives in power, with Milliband as PM, a referendum on electoral reform, and a handful of Lib Dems in the cabinet. We may get another election in a year anyway.
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #472 - May 10, 2010, 05:19 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 09, 2010, 01:32 PM
    Very good round-up of events so far, and where I see things atm  Afro

    The thing I dont get is, why is there all this talk of another election within 1 year?  Its a 4 years term normally isnt it?

     Huh? This anyone
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #473 - May 10, 2010, 05:26 PM
    Quote from: Godot on May 10, 2010, 05:16 PM
    Doesn't bother me. I'm just hoping they can get a Lib-Lab deal ironed out quickly. It's a parliamentary system after all, not a presidential one. The British public should have been well aware that this was a possibility. As for being resentful, why? The majority of the country voted left of centre. The only people who'd be annoyed are Conservative voters, but then so fucking what? They didn't get a majority either, and there's no other credible centre-right party they could merge with. I wouldn't mind having the progressives in power, with Milliband as PM, a referendum on electoral reform, and a handful of Lib Dems in the cabinet. We may get another election in a year anyway.

    +1
  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #474 - May 10, 2010, 05:27 PM
    Quote from: Godot on May 10, 2010, 05:16 PM
    Doesn't bother me.


    But you are not the British public.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #475 - May 10, 2010, 05:30 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 09, 2010, 01:32 PM
    The thing I dont get is, why is there all this talk of another election within 1 year?  Its a 4 years term normally isnt it?

    We don't actually have fixed term parliaments. I think the convention is to have an election pretty soon after a hung parliament in order to ensure stable government, as it's pretty easy for a weak coalition to be defeated in a vote of no confidence. I'm not an expert, so I'm probably wrong, but that's how I've understood it.

    Quote from: billy on May 10, 2010, 05:27 PM
    But you are not the British public.

    I'm a member of a British public, am I not? This is just how I see things. Of course, other individuals can speak for themselves.
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #476 - May 10, 2010, 05:40 PM
    I suppose people were expecting Brown to go, so this probably isn't such a big blow.
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #477 - May 10, 2010, 05:49 PM
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    I'm a member of a British public, am I not? This is just how I see things. Of course, other individuals can speak for themselves


    Of course they can, and thats the point. Your point of view is rooted in your desire to see Labour retain power, despite being roundly beaten in this election. You also are willing to overlook a second Prime Minister in a row being imposed on the country by the Labour Party without popular election, something that could severely alienate the British public and backfire on them catastrophically. Is it in the spirit of how people want their leaders chosen? The risk is that frankly it makes Labour seem arrogant, and like a bunch of spiv fixers. We have a parliamentary system but leadership is still a factor in decision making during an election. As soon as Gordon Brown put himself up, lets face it, he was routed. Is David Milliband, for example, such a salt of the earth character that he would be welcomed as a messiah? He is a dictionary definition of a Blairite New Labour career politician artfully climbing the greasy poll of the Labour establishment to get to where he has. These are things the electorate will be aware of.

    You also say that there could be a general election sooner than later, so why not go into principled opposition, get a new leader and front bench, and seek to reclaim power through popular mandate then?

    The possibility is that the electorate will, frankly, react against this, and in the long term that could do more damage to Labour. You have to allow that this is a potentiality. The Labour Party needs to think long and hard about this and the spirit in which it is being undertaken.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #478 - May 10, 2010, 05:49 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on May 10, 2010, 05:40 PM
    I suppose people were expecting Brown to go, so this probably isn't such a big blow.

    No doubt. His career as Labour leader was pretty much over as soon as the exit polls were out.

    Quote from: billy on May 10, 2010, 05:49 PM
    The possibility is that the electorate will, frankly, react against this, and in the long term that could do more damage to Labour. You have to allow that this is a potentiality. The Labour Party needs to think long and hard about this and the spirit in which it is being undertaken.

    You may be right about a potential backlash, I guess. We'll just have to see how things play out. As for Labour, there's nothing to think about for them. If they can keep power, they will. They wouldn't have put so much on the table for the Lib Dems if they didn't want to stay in government.
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  • Re: The 2010 UK election - who will you vote for?
     Reply #479 - May 10, 2010, 05:52 PM
    Quote from: billy on May 10, 2010, 05:00 PM
    Which will mean Labour impose a second Prime Minister in a row on the country without going to the electorate. Doesn't sit easy that, and could leave the British public resenting them.

    Gordon fell on his sword, he had no choice.

    Electorates in the Westminster system vote for parties, not people. The prime minister is not elected directly.
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