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 Topic: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman

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  • The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     OP - April 10, 2010, 12:36 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oVoLqjaKiw&feature=related

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #1 - April 10, 2010, 12:40 AM


    Racist Islamophobic propaganda.

    I'm reporting you to facebook.






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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #2 - April 10, 2010, 12:41 AM


    In all seriousness, I would say thank you for posting it, but its very harrowing. So sad.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #3 - April 10, 2010, 12:46 AM

     Cry
  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #4 - April 10, 2010, 01:14 AM

    They imprison her, beat her to the point of breaking her leg, rape her repeatedly... all because she wouldn't wear a scarf? Do they not realize which "crime" is worse?? finmad Cry

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #5 - April 10, 2010, 01:57 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r72BfbGGihU&feature=related

    So who is stopping you?? Don't put on Burkha  and come to My class..  I am sorry..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUFlNNSS5Hc&feature=related

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #6 - April 10, 2010, 03:46 AM



    Interesting video but the reality is that when religion collides with culture, which do you think wins out? when there is a smorgasbord of hadiths with no context, what does a person from a given culture choose? those which re-affirm the status quo or those which go against it? I find it funny here that some people bemoan Islam and unable to see the role of their backwards culture has in understanding Islam.

    As much as people despise Islam here, they seem to give their culture a free pass.

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #7 - April 10, 2010, 08:36 AM

    you write that as if to assume culture & religion are wholey independent of each other.  Whilst I agree with you to some extent, surely you must realise that a strong influencer of culture is religion in the first place. 

    You only need to compare Islamic countries against Christian countries against Buddhist countries etc to see if there are some commonalities independent of culture.

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #8 - April 10, 2010, 08:43 AM

    They imprison her, beat her to the point of breaking her leg, rape her repeatedly... all because she wouldn't wear a scarf? Do they not realize which "crime" is worse?? finmad Cry

    Of course they do. That's why they did it. [/islamist nutter]

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #9 - April 10, 2010, 09:57 AM

    you write that as if to assume culture & religion are wholey independent of each other.  Whilst I agree with you to some extent, surely you must realise that a strong influencer of culture is religion in the first place.  

    You only need to compare Islamic countries against Christian countries against Buddhist countries etc to see if there are some commonalities independent of culture.


    One could argue that in some cases religion can be extension of culture - that certain cultural norms are elevated into religion. With that being said, these cultures that do exist around Pakistan and Bangladesh are always going to be backwards and the sudden disappearance of Islam isn't really going to fix the problem. Until there is an acceptance that the backwardness of the country is linked to the culture, nothing is going to change.

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #10 - April 10, 2010, 11:04 AM

    This is so disgusting.  Cry

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #11 - April 10, 2010, 11:18 AM

    Bastards!
  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #12 - April 10, 2010, 11:32 PM

    One could argue that in some cases religion can be extension of culture - that certain cultural norms are elevated into religion. With that being said, these cultures that do exist around Pakistan and Bangladesh are always going to be backwards and the sudden disappearance of Islam isn't really going to fix the problem. Until there is an acceptance that the backwardness of the country is linked to the culture, nothing is going to change.

    You choose a good example here with Pakistan & Bangladesh.  You do realise they were both formally part of India and the culture there is predominantly Indian, with the religion of Islam?

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #13 - April 11, 2010, 03:01 AM

    You choose a good example here with Pakistan & Bangladesh.  You do realise they were both formally part of India and the culture there is predominantly Indian, with the religion of Islam?


    Yes I do understand but this backwardness exists in India as well; Hindus who dump dead bodies into the Ganges knowing full well the disease and so forth that come from it - but blindly keep doing it because, "its part of our culture". So it isn't isolated to Pakistan and Bangladesh but for some reason it is preserved in the most exaggerated forms in those two countries. Two countries, quite frankly that should never have existed given that the only way they define themselves is on the basis of 'not being Indian' (even though they're just Indians with a different name).

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #14 - April 11, 2010, 10:48 AM

    Yes I do understand but this backwardness exists in India as well; Hindus who dump dead bodies into the Ganges knowing full well the disease and so forth that come from it - but blindly keep doing it because, "its part of our culture". So it isn't isolated to Pakistan and Bangladesh but for some reason it is preserved in the most exaggerated forms in those two countries. Two countries, quite frankly that should never have existed given that the only way they define themselves is on the basis of 'not being Indian' (even though they're just Indians with a different name).

    But this is a religious custom, as noted by your usage of the word Hindus.  Muslims dont bath in the Ganges, so I wonder if you are gettting confused between religion & culture.

    I agree that cultures around the world have got a long way to go; misogeny, homophibia, racism to name but a few. 

    But they are all evolving and adapting with education and communication. I think religion is a much bigger problem. 

    Religion is inflexible by its very nature, and I would argue was an designed to counteract the versatility of culture, its non-uniformity and its adaptability to change, that the 'chosen few' did not like.

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #15 - April 11, 2010, 11:38 AM

    But this is a religious custom, as noted by your usage of the word Hindus.  Muslims dont bath in the Ganges, so I wonder if you are gettting confused between religion & culture.


    But there are Indians who continue to do it even if they're more or less just 'cultural Hindus' - so its a bit like hotel california, you may check out but you never leave.

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    I agree that cultures around the world have got a long way to go; misogeny, homophibia, racism to name but a few. 

    But they are all evolving and adapting with education and communication. I think religion is a much bigger problem. 

    Religion is inflexible by its very nature, and I would argue was an designed to counteract the versatility of culture, its non-uniformity and its adaptability to change, that the 'chosen few' did not like.


    But is the inflexibility linked to the inflexibility of the culture; during the first 200 years of the Muslim community there was flexibility, different competing philosophies, interpretations, traditions and so on. The problem comes when religion starts to solidify into rigidity resulting in the dialogue ending and people just simply rolling along on the fumes of past scholars and clerics.

    Compare that to Christianity that has gone through reforms of all sorts; there are Christian churches from all across the spectrum; from ultra conservative at one such as the 'Southern Baptist Convention' end to the MCC which is a gay-positive church. Judaism where you have ultra-orthodox at one end with stringent abiding to the 613 religious rules to liberal judaism at the other end of the spectrum - and the irony being that the reform judaism being older than the ultra-orthodox movements.

    For me I find blaming Religion as a bit of a cop out because there are those who have left religion and their views are just now being hidden under a new ora of legitimacy - the new atheist who legitimises his hatred of gays by using psuedo-scientific language in lieu of using the religious language he would have used a couple of years ago. In the case of Pakistan the identity is defined on the basis of 'not being India', Islam is exaggerated to the extreme with any questioning of Islam being quashed because it threatens to destabilise the identity, so with that sort of environment is there any surprise that Islam has become so rigid given that Pakistanis are so dependent upon it to provide an identity for something that really cannot be legitimised on secular grounds.

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #16 - April 11, 2010, 02:07 PM

    I am a bit confused about your argument  Huh?  Are you saying culture is responsible in Pakistan for its rigidity & interpretation of Islam.  I think thats what you mean. 

    If so, I am sure it does play a part.  However I think that the fact that its a new nation, built because of Islam and religious rivalries, has a larger part to do with what its become.

    To  put it simply, its that ole devil called Islam again.

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #17 - April 11, 2010, 02:22 PM

    I am a bit confused about your argument  Huh?  Are you saying culture is responsible in Pakistan for its rigidity & interpretation of Islam.  I think thats what you mean. 

    If so, I am sure it does play a part.  However I think that the fact that its a new nation, built because of Islam and religious rivalries, has a larger part to do with what its become.

    To  put it simply, its that ole devil called Islam again.


    But why are some Indian Muslims more than happy to stay in India when there is a 'Muslim homeland' sitting north of them? The origins of Pakistan results in a reliance on Islam thus this over reliance on Islam results in transforming it into a fundamentalist literalist strain since it is a key component of what it means to be a Pakistani. The question is how much did religion play in the development of Pakistan or was it merely political motivations under the guise of religion - that people who called themselves Muslims found themselves marginalised and thus necessitated them to create a state where they would be on top once again.

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #18 - April 11, 2010, 04:26 PM

    But why are some Indian Muslims more than happy to stay in India when there is a 'Muslim homeland' sitting north of them?

    lots of different reasons, depending on who you talk to. 
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    The origins of Pakistan results in a reliance on Islam thus this over reliance on Islam results in transforming it into a fundamentalist literalist strain since it is a key component of what it means to be a Pakistani.

    yep
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    The question is how much did religion play in the development of Pakistan

    a key component
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    or was it merely political motivations under the guise of religion - that people who called themselves Muslims found themselves marginalised and thus necessitated them to create a state where they would be on top once again.

    no, i think the motivations were genuine, but am sure many politicians have done this too.  For me the fafilure of Pakistan, is pretty shows the failure of Islam.  Muslims wont accept this, as the Abdul Rahman says in the video, most just believe it is because Muslims are yet to form a truly Muslim state.

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  • Re: The Inconvenient Truth About Islam From an Ex-Muslim Woman
     Reply #19 - April 11, 2010, 04:44 PM

    Pakistan has a religious nationalism that overlays everything and accelerates it. It has grassroots Islam, which might be barelvi, deobandi, the Islam of the life of the people in the streets, villages, cities. Mixed in with localised cultural things, superstitions etc. Then there is the next layer, ideological Islam, the Jamat-e-Islami, Ummah thing. Then there is religious nationalism - defining itself as the opposite of India, the enemy, on the basis of religion.

    Now nationalism is volatile enough as it is, add religion to the mix and its even worse, and as I said, that is what acts as an accelerant in the actual structure and society and culture of Pakistan. All of these layers compound each other, influence each other, and are linked to the identity of Pakistan and the meaning and influence of Islam there.

    This is of relevance in the UK, because Islam is so greatly influenced by Pakistani religion and circumstances, winess how influential the Pakistani rooted Jamat-e-Islami have been in setting the public religious agenda of British Muslims over the last 20 to 30 years.

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