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 Topic: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..

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  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #30 - April 25, 2010, 01:32 AM

    Confidence is more important than looks.

    I've seen plenty of fugly guys with really nice looking women.

  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #31 - April 25, 2010, 02:14 AM

    I'll take it into consideration, and thats a creepy wolf lol.

    I asked women out so many times, and I always got the "cold shoulder" and I am myself and I don't use any pickup lines Cry

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #32 - April 25, 2010, 06:10 AM

    I'll take it into consideration, and thats a creepy wolf lol.

    I asked women out so many times, and I always got the "cold shoulder" and I am myself and I don't use any pickup lines Cry

    Keep on trying, and dont stop.  If you want tips there are a lot of great videos on there.  Try joining clubs (like cooking ones as you seem to be useless at it lol) where you will find a majority of women, and the focus is on you.

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  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #33 - April 25, 2010, 10:13 AM

    Hey CC, it helps if you have female friends, too. You tend to become more at ease around the opposite sex, and you stand a higher chance of getting introduced to other females from her friendship group. The more you put yourself out there the better your chances get, perserverence is key (just like courage wolf said).


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  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #34 - April 25, 2010, 10:15 AM

    Confidence is more important than looks.

    I've seen plenty of fugly guys with really nice looking women.



    Hey, I resent resemble that!  Cheesy

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  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #35 - April 26, 2010, 03:59 AM

    & they are encouraged to get married ASAP.

    this is something i noticed. Like a woman would become a muslim and already she would have men trying to marry her? I never understood this.

    I use to know( not as in a friend though) a woman who converted to Islam and a week later she was married. This happened when i still attended the mosque. I dont know if she is still a muslim or if she is still married to the guy, though. It just seems rushed to me.

    Is It Because in Islam, Marriage is seen as half the deen?

    thanks.


    There's a few reasons for it.  That's one of them.  The "half your deen" shit is shoved down female converts throats (along with "hijab") literally as soon as they convert. Like I have literally seen women finish the shahadah and people are all "My cousin is looking for a wife."  Even before they know how to pray. 

    Other things...

    One may be that she was already with the guy, and she either decided to convert or his family / he insisted that she convert before marriage.

    One is that converts are seen as ... you get more thwawab for marrying them and teaching them the deen.

    One is that there are Muslims who see marrying a westerner as a "step up."  Sort of like a trophy wife.  I knew people who bragged about it.  So those type of guys are all over it when they hear there is a new convert in town. 

    One is that single convert women are seen as being especially dangerous.  There is a belief that convert women are, by and large, "fallen women" who have been reformed, and there is a fear that they will seduce the men in the community until they are safely married off.  In my past observations and experiences, there are Muslim communities where the women will virtually shun the single convert until she is married, thinking that she will create fitnah in the community and perhaps steal their men or worm their way into a "co-wife" position.

    One is that marriage is the best way of tying a person down, especially a woman in a religion & community where she's encouraged not to work and have her own money.  Sure is hard to leave Islam and / or your marriage when you don't have money, job experience, small children, etc.  If the woman is married to a Muslim guy, she's going to have that emotional and sexual and financial bond with him and it's going to be harder for her to change her mind about being Muslim.  I can tell you from my personal experiences, that this is partly what happened to me and quite a few of my friends -- including male friends

    Oh and one is that converts are citizens of the country, most of the time.  I don't know how this works in European countries, but here, marrying a convert is a nice way to make sure your brother or friend or cousin gets a green card.  

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  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #36 - April 26, 2010, 04:38 AM

    Keep on trying, and dont stop.  If you want tips there are a lot of great videos on there.  Try joining clubs (like cooking ones as you seem to be useless at it lol) where you will find a majority of women, and the focus is on you.


    Thanks for the tip Islame Afro

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #37 - April 26, 2010, 04:39 AM

    Hey CC, it helps if you have female friends, too. You tend to become more at ease around the opposite sex, and you stand a higher chance of getting introduced to other females from her friendship group. The more you put yourself out there the better your chances get, perserverence is key (just like courage wolf said).

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    I find that it really helps. The more females I talk to, the more relaxed I am. I am relaxed and not tense around women so that isn't a worry for me.

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #38 - April 29, 2010, 12:22 PM


    One is that single convert women are seen as being especially dangerous.  There is a belief that convert women are, by and large, "fallen women" who have been reformed, and there is a fear that they will seduce the men in the community until they are safely married off.  In my past observations and experiences, there are Muslim communities where the women will virtually shun the single convert until she is married, thinking that she will create fitnah in the community and perhaps steal their men or worm their way into a "co-wife" position.


    Thanks for that Manat!  Just read it now.  That explains why when I converted all the Pakistani ladies in my city were either eying me up for their sons/nephews or were giving me evil looks.  wacko


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  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #39 - April 29, 2010, 12:31 PM

    A few years ago i (as an atheist) was in an isalmic discussion group and asked some questions about islam. Shortly after joining the group, some muslims suggested that i might find a woman to marry here. At that point i was really wondering whether this might be some sort of strategy to make people convert (" just become a muslim and you you don`t have to care about getting a woman any more...")·

    UG

     
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #40 - May 02, 2010, 05:41 PM

    Thanks for that Manat!  Just read it now.  That explains why when I converted all the Pakistani ladies in my city were either eying me up for their sons/nephews or were giving me evil looks.  wacko




    I had a friend who was married to an imam. I think he abused her (she never said directly but hinted at it) and she divorced him.  She moved to another part of the city, where I lived, and started attending our masjid.  The very first time she was there, when she was still in her iddah, a woman was trying to push her brother on my friend.  And my friend's like "I'm in  my iddah," which is enough for anyone but --- it's like the attitude of this woman and other women in the masjid was that my friend should be eager to get engaged and married even in her iddah.  No consideration for the fact that she had just ended her marriage, that she had a lot of complicated feelings about her ex-husband, and needed time before she could even think about getting married again.  It was just "Well, you're a convert, I have a brother back in the homeland,  he's a nice guy, you can do an informal engagement while you're still in your iddah, etc."   They could not stand the fact that she was (a) unmarried (b) DIVORCED. 

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  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #41 - May 02, 2010, 05:45 PM

    A few years ago i (as an atheist) was in an isalmic discussion group and asked some questions about islam. Shortly after joining the group, some muslims suggested that i might find a woman to marry here. At that point i was really wondering whether this might be some sort of strategy to make people convert (" just become a muslim and you you don`t have to care about getting a woman any more...")·

    UG


    Hey, I'd convert if it would get me laid.  grin12
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #42 - May 02, 2010, 05:55 PM

    I had a friend who was married to an imam. I think he abused her (she never said directly but hinted at it) and she divorced him.  She moved to another part of the city, where I lived, and started attending our masjid.  The very first time she was there, when she was still in her iddah, a woman was trying to push her brother on my friend.  And my friend's like "I'm in  my iddah," which is enough for anyone but --- it's like the attitude of this woman and other women in the masjid was that my friend should be eager to get engaged and married even in her iddah.  No consideration for the fact that she had just ended her marriage, that she had a lot of complicated feelings about her ex-husband, and needed time before she could even think about getting married again.  It was just "Well, you're a convert, I have a brother back in the homeland,  he's a nice guy, you can do an informal engagement while you're still in your iddah, etc."   They could not stand the fact that she was (a) unmarried (b) DIVORCED. 

    Don't be silly, the iddah's just to make sure she's not knocked up. Women don't have feelings.  sheikh

    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
    Propagandhi - Failed States
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #43 - May 02, 2010, 05:59 PM

    Hey, I'd convert if it would get me laid.  grin12

    Muslims have a special ability to identify horny atheist pheromones. It's one of the reasons it's so hard for them to lower their gaze in Western countries. Offering their women as a way to bring you into their tribes is a classic strategy of entrapment. My advice is to go rub one out before debating them.  bunny

    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
    Propagandhi - Failed States
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #44 - May 02, 2010, 06:05 PM

    Women don't have feelings.  sheikh

    Actually, they have too many unbalanced feelings.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5KmIXZM-V8

    Read your Quran, bruv!


  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #45 - May 02, 2010, 06:12 PM

    Actually, they have to many unbalanced feelings.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5KmIXZM-V8

    Read your Quran, bruv!

    LOL I remember Pariah's reaction when I showed her that vid: witch

    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
    Propagandhi - Failed States
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #46 - May 03, 2010, 12:07 AM


     Fuck me.
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #47 - May 03, 2010, 12:14 AM

    Fuck me.

    Well, that depends.

    Are you an attractive, smart and kinky girl?
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #48 - May 03, 2010, 12:37 AM

    I'm three of the above.
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #49 - May 03, 2010, 12:40 AM

     Cheesy

    Good one.
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #50 - May 06, 2010, 04:35 PM



    Somehow I get the feeling that his wife/mother/sister/lady raised some good points in an argument in which he couldn't give an answer and he doesn't want to admit that he could be wrong.
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #51 - May 06, 2010, 10:35 PM

    & they are encouraged to get married ASAP.

    this is something i noticed. Like a woman would become a muslim and already she would have men trying to marry her? I never understood this.

    I use to know( not as in a friend though) a woman who converted to Islam and a week later she was married. This happened when i still attended the mosque. I dont know if she is still a muslim or if she is still married to the guy, though. It just seems rushed to me.

    Is It Because in Islam, Marriage is seen as half the deen?

    thanks.



    As I recall one of these musilm wise men gave his opinion that an unmaried woman is public property, therefore it is totheir advantage and benefit to be married, after all who wants to belong to any many who wants her.
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #52 - May 06, 2010, 10:45 PM

    You know.....there should be a smily face character that just basically gives two middle fingers because there are absolutely no words I can give for such "educated" muslim scholars.

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #53 - May 06, 2010, 11:04 PM

    Adriana is a better than a smiley face.

  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #54 - December 14, 2010, 06:40 AM

    The pressure to "hurry up and marry" was one of the things I found most annoying as a convert. I swear EVERY TIME I met a muslimah and they learned I was a new convert they'd always be like "Oh masha'allah sister, when did you take your shahadah?". The very next question would be:"So are you married?" I felt like I was suffocating! Everyone reminds you it's "half your deen" and I was made to feel like I was 'less' of a muslim for being single. Then the men...ugh! They would be so persistent. When I declined one guys' proposal he emailed me multiple articles basically stating that I was being 'un-Islamic' by turning him down! I lasted for about four months before I succumbed and gave in, something that I came to regret. However I am glad that I got out of both Islam and the marriage very early on.

    "And lo, verily hath they spoken, not one of this tribe, upon whom these entreaties were beseeched for the Lord, could giveth a shit."


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  • Re: Question: Why When A Woman Converts to Islam, She is Pressured to Get Married..
     Reply #55 - December 14, 2010, 06:43 AM

    Welcome to the penitentiary  Afro

    When a kuffar woman saves herself by converting, she has to fulfill the duties of a good muslimah, ie, have the children of a Muslim man, make the Muslim home, raise children, especially sons, who will serve the ummah.

    Remember folks, Islam liberates women  Roll Eyes


    I watched an intelligent, promising young lady completely end her studies once she converted. "Why finish my degree when I'm just going to stay at home and raise our kids?" This young lady hadn't met anyone but had been given the message by older sisters that education was a waste of time and she should focus on settling down. Completely ridiculous.

    "And lo, verily hath they spoken, not one of this tribe, upon whom these entreaties were beseeched for the Lord, could giveth a shit."


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