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 Topic: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks

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  • Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     OP - June 08, 2010, 01:39 PM

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article7145784.ece

    Inmates are converting to Islam in order to gain perks and the protection of powerful Muslim gangs, the Chief Inspector of Prisons warns today.

    Dame Anne Owers says that some convicted criminals are taking up the religion in jail to receive benefits only available to practising Muslims.

    The number of Muslim prisoners has risen dramatically since the mid-1990s — from 2,513 in 1994, or 5 per cent of the population, to 9,795 in 2008, or 11 per cent. Staff at top-security prisons and youth jails have raised concerns about the intimidation of non-Muslims and possible forced conversions.

    Dame Anne’s report, Muslim Prisoners’ Experiences, published today, says that, although several high-profile terrorists have been jailed recently, fewer than 1 in 100 Muslim inmates have been convicted of terrorism.

    She says that prison staff are suspicious about those practising or converting to the faith and warns that treating Muslim inmates as potential or actual extremists risks radicalising them. The report says: “Many Muslim prisoners stressed the positive and rehabilitative role that Islam played in their lives, and the calm that religious observance could induce in a stressed prison environment. This was in marked contrast to the suspicion that religious observance, and particularly conversion or reversion, tended to produce among staff.”

    All prisons offer a halal menu, which some inmates see as better than the usual choices. Muslims are excused from work and education while attending Friday prayers. Some converts, who are known as “convenience Muslims”, admitted that they had changed faith because they got more time out of the cells to go to Friday prayers. One quoted in the report said: “Food good too, initially this is what converted me.”

    In some of the most secure jails, the size of the Muslim population is well above average. Two years ago, Muslim inmates accounted for a third of prisoners in Whitemoor, Cambridgeshire, and a quarter of inmates in Long Lartin in Worcestershire.

    The report says that inmates converted after learning about Islam from other inmates or their family, to obtain support and protection in a group with a powerful identity and for material advantages. One inmate quoted in the report said: “I’ve got loads of close brothers here. They share with you, we look out for each other.”

    Muslim prisoners tended to report more negatively on their prison experience and were also more likely to fear for their own safety or complain of problems in their relations with staff. In high-security prisons, three-quarters of Muslims said they felt unsafe.

    Dame Anne said that unless staff engaged effectively with them there was “a real risk of a self-fulfilling prophecy: that the prison experience will create or entrench alienation and disaffection, so that prisons release into the community young men who are more likely to offend, or even embrace extremism”.

    Tom Robson, vice-chairman of the Prison Officers’ Association, said that some impressionable prisoners were converting because they wanted status and protection. “What we have got at the moment is an upward trend,” he said. “It is worrying.”

    Phil Wheatley, director-general of the National Offender Management Service, said: “Our clear policy is that all prisoners are treated with respect and decency, recognising the diverse needs of a complex prison population, and that the legitimate practice of faith in prison is supported.”

    Dame Anne’s study was based on 85 jail inspection reports and in-depth interviews with 164 Muslim prisoners in eight jails. It follows reports of Muslim inmates seeking to assert their authority on the wings of prisons.

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  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #1 - June 13, 2010, 02:37 PM

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    All prisons offer a halal menu, which some inmates see as better than the usual choices. Muslims are excused from work and education while attending Friday prayers. Some converts, who are known as “convenience Muslims”, admitted that they had changed faith because they got more time out of the cells to go to Friday prayers. One quoted in the report said: “Food good too, initially this is what converted me.”


    For much the same reason my mom listed her religion as Jewish when she joined the Army. Other people told her that the kosher menu was tastier, and she had to be stationed at a post that offered a kosher menu so she was less likely to be stationed out in the boonies.

    fuck you
  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #2 - June 13, 2010, 03:26 PM

    The issue of Muslim gangs in prisons worries me a lot.  There are many radical Muslims in prison on terrorism charges, who are intelligent, religious, and very ideological, so if prison officials are not careful, prisons could be a breeding ground for terrorists of the future.

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  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #3 - June 13, 2010, 03:30 PM

    Couldn't they just put those guys together in seg? So they don't have contact with the other inmates? In fact, I'd be rather surprised if that's not happening already. Terror convicts in the US don't go into general pop. Most of them end up in pods at ADX Florence or on 24-hour lockdown in Marion or Terre Haute.

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  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #4 - June 13, 2010, 03:52 PM

    See this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7428933/Muslim-gangs-imposing-sharia-law-in-British-prisons.html
    and this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8558590.stm

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  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #5 - June 13, 2010, 03:53 PM

    The issue of Muslim gangs in prisons worries me a lot.  There are many radical Muslims in prison on terrorism charges, who are intelligent, religious, and very ideological, so if prison officials are not careful, prisons could be a breeding ground for terrorists of the future.


    I'm sure I read that Richard Reid, the shoe bomber who tried to blow up an American bound plane over the Atlantic, was converted and radicalised in prison in London.


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  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #6 - June 13, 2010, 04:01 PM

    Don't know what to make of this just yet, not read enough but those links are good thanks. My former Islamic teacher used to think he was helping out prisoners by converting them to Islam ... that did come across a good thing in the mid - late 90s.

    Aside from the argument religion can bring stability and love into lost minds in the prison system (i.e. prisoners converting to Christians), to me my initial thoughts are:

    An less stable/mature emotional mind of the average prisoner (compared with the general population)
    + promoting the knee-jerk catalytic offense mechanism
    + Us Vs Them mentality
    + other hate filled memes of Islam = something not exactly good ...
  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #7 - June 13, 2010, 04:11 PM



    Doesn't say anything about Muslim prisoners incarcerated on terrorism charges, which is what I was specifically referring to.

    fuck you
  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #8 - June 13, 2010, 04:21 PM

    I know a few Imams who specifically go to prisons to teach the prisioners about Islam.  The inmates aren't exactly mentally stable in there so it's a good opportunity to convert them.  I also know a few Muslims who weren't practising, but then they got on the wrong side of the law, went to prision, and now they need Islam to keep them on the straight and narrow.  These people have destructive personalities and they need an iron first.

    Mike Tyson converted to Islam in prison (but I don't think he's a Muslim anymore tbh).  The latest relatively famous prison convert is the disgraced Wigan footballer Marlon King, who got locked up for attacking a woman who refused his advances in a club.  http://www.football.co.uk/wigan_athletic/marlon_king-_shamed_former_wigan_star_converts_to_islam_and_names_himself_after_hero_abu_hamza_rss696605.shtml

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  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #9 - June 13, 2010, 04:24 PM

    Mike Tyson converted to Islam in prisoin (but I don't think he's a Muslim anymore tbh).


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  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #10 - June 13, 2010, 04:37 PM

    Doesn't say anything about Muslim prisoners incarcerated on terrorism charges, which is what I was specifically referring to.

    The Telegraph link has this:

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    Ms Owers says there is a similar gang culture in at least three other high-security prisons, Whitemoor in Cambridgeshire, Belmarsh in south-east London and Full Sutton in North Yorkshire. Some of the gang leaders are terrorist prisoners but most are in for ordinary offences.


    I think terrorism charges can include a whole range of offences, not all of which are particularly serious. e.g. selling or spreading terrorist publications.

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  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #11 - June 13, 2010, 04:39 PM


    Men in prison are at a low point in their lives. They have low self esteem, and are often full of rage against the world. They are easy pickings for the dawah crew who can channel that hurt pride and masculinity into a dogma of grievance and simplistic explanation of things. Special priveliges like the halal meat and days off for praying are kinds of incentives too, as can just being part of a crew inside.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #12 - June 13, 2010, 04:47 PM

    The Telegraph link has this:

    I think terrorism charges can include a whole range of offences, not all of which are particularly serious. e.g. selling or spreading terrorist publications.


    Oh, missed that. Yeah, convicted terrorists, however serious the offense, should not be in general pop.

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  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #13 - June 13, 2010, 04:56 PM

    Off topic: Don't you think there should be a "Quote All" button as well as the Quote button, so your quote includes any subquotes?  It's frustrating and misleading sometimes.

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  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #14 - June 13, 2010, 05:05 PM

    Yeah, but it means the forum would fill up with a lot of unnecessary crap too. Considering the fact the admin removed the "Quote" button from the bottom of the last post to reduce unnecessary quotes/text, I highly doubt os will be interested in going the other direction.

    fuck you
  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #15 - June 13, 2010, 05:20 PM

    Men in prison are at a low point in their lives. They have low self esteem, and are often full of rage against the world. They are easy pickings for the dawah crew who can channel that hurt pride and masculinity into a dogma of grievance and simplistic explanation of things. Special priveliges like the halal meat and days off for praying are kinds of incentives too, as can just being part of a crew inside.


    +1
  • Re: Prisoners convert to Islam for jail perks
     Reply #16 - June 13, 2010, 06:03 PM



    rofl

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

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