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Reply #30 - June 27, 2010, 01:14 AM

that was your question by the way:

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Did Allah send prophets to the Aztecs? what about ancient China? what about anywhere outside the Middle East? and if he did, why is it never mentioned in the Quran or the Hadith?

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Reply #31 - June 27, 2010, 01:17 AM

Quote from: debunker on June 27, 2010, 01:11 AM
The refutation: the Quranic God never said he didn't send prophets to other nations. In fact He said the opposite.

Since there is no archeological evidence that he did or even evidence from the Quran and Hadith (again I want only ONE hadith or Aya not asking for much here) there are only two possible explanations:

1-The Quranic God doesn't exist
2-He exists but he didn't send any prophets to these civilizations which means: a)he was lying OR b)Mohammed made the Quran up.

Quote from: debunker on June 27, 2010, 01:14 AM
that was your question by the way:

So where's the Aya that mentions the name of any of these civilizations?

P.S: Let's do this question by question. No need to rush.
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Reply #32 - June 27, 2010, 01:31 AM

Oh, so your question was why didn't God name every nation He sent a prophet to? Why would God name every nation? He already said He sent prophets to ALL nations.

Now, as for proof of monotheism, it's very hard since, unlike polytheism, monotheism doesn't leave any artifacts behind (no idols, and such)...

In fact, polytheism can be viewed as distorted monotheism... like a peace of metal that goes rusty.

And many polytheists believed in the Creator God, except they assigned other gods with Him. (That was the case for Meccans, btw, and a big part of the Quran emphasizes the greatness of the creation of the Creator God, urging the polytheist Meccans to cast away their invention, their other gods).

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Reply #33 - June 27, 2010, 01:40 AM

Debunker, you're evading the question. If the Quranic god really did send prophets to these nations why didn't he just name one in the Quran? why didn't Muhammed ever mention one? why didn't tell the Meccans about China or Greece or the Mayans? why didn't he tell them about Hammurabi or Aristotle?

This suggests that the Quran was written by somebody who isn't knowledgeable in geography, history, or anthropology. Someone like Muhammed.
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Reply #34 - June 27, 2010, 01:52 AM

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Debunker, you're evading the question. If the Quranic god really did send prophets to these nations why didn't he just name one in the Quran? why didn't Muhammed ever mention one? why didn't tell the Meccans about China or Greece or the Mayans? why didn't he tell them about Hammurabi or Aristotle?

The Quran did mention some nations the Arabs could relate to, local nations. If the Quranic view of God's message was limited to the Middle East, God wouldn't have said that all nations received prophets. Sure, the *examples* given were local, but the claim was the message of submission itself was given every nation.

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This suggests that the Quran was written by somebody who isn't knowledgeable in geography, history, or anthropology. Someone like Muhammed.

Of course, Muhammed was ignorant of all of these things... he was even illiterate. Yet, the Quran was sent to the Arabs first and then to all the nations. That's why we see the claims of the message having been already preached to all nations, and the Arabs were the last nation to receive their own prophet.

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Reply #35 - June 27, 2010, 02:14 AM

OK, IA.. It seems you also reject my previous presentation (of the Quranic argument)... so let's move on to another question:

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Why was Mohammed the last prophet? why not keep sending prophets? what's the harm? it's been 1500 years, why does God make it so hard to believe in him?

The Quran claims the end of times is very very near in the eyes of God. In fact, God said the Hour was near since the times of Moses.

Ta Ha:15
إِنَّ السَّاعَةَ آتِيَةٌ أَكَادُ أُخْفِيهَا لِتُجْزَى كُلُّ نَفْسٍ بِمَا تَسْعَى
http://www.al-shia.org/html/far/quran/quran_a.php?sure=20&n_aye1=15&n_aye2=15&page=2674&lang=txt&language=ara

1500, 2000, or 10,000 years might seem too long for you, but not to God. There's no point of sending more prophets when the end is so close in th eyes of God.

Hajj:47
وَيَسْتَعْجِلُونَكَ بِالْعَذَابِ وَلَن يُخْلِفَ اللَّهُ وَعْدَهُ وَإِنَّ يَوْمًا عِندَ رَبِّكَ كَأَلْفِ سَنَةٍ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ
http://www.al-shia.org/html/far/quran/quran_a.php?language=ara&lang=txt&translator_far=&sure=22&n_aye1=47&n_aye2=47

Besides, what's point of sending more prophets if God stopped showing miracles, anyway? Suppose God sent another prophet these days but without miracles (like He did with Muhammed), what would be the point? Sending Muhammed, without miracles, means that sending anyone after him (also without miracles) is pointless.

Why no more miracles? Why no universal miracle that would force eveyone to believe? We go back to the the previous Quranic argument I presented here and you already rejected.

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Re: Debunker and IA debate
Reply #36 - June 27, 2010, 03:07 AM

If these guys want a one on one thread they're entitled to have one.
If anyone else posts in this thread their posts will be deleted. End of.

Carry on.

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