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  • Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     OP - September 17, 2010, 03:44 PM

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    Hamed Abdel-Samad grew up in Egypt as the son of an imam. He came to Germany at the age of 23, and he has lived here for most of the last 15 years. He


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    worked as an academic in Erfurt and Braunschweig and conducted research at the Institute for Jewish History and Culture at the University of Munich before deciding to devote himself entirely to his writing. Though highly critical of Islam, Abdel-Samad has never turned away from the faith completely. His new book "Der Untergang der islamischen Welt" ("The Downfall of the Islamic World") is published by Munich's Droemer Verlag.


    Hamed is a very intelligent and reasonable guy. While very much promoting secularism, he still considers himself to be a muslim and opposes quran literalism and fundamentalism.

    And this interview with him is great although I don't agree with everything he says.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,717589,00.html

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    SPIEGEL: You advocate a milder form of Islam. What remains of the core of the religion?

    Abdel-Samad: My dream, in fact, is an enlightened Islam, without Sharia law and without jihad, without gender apartheid, proselytizing and the mentality of entitlement. A religion that is open to criticism and questions. As far as I'm concerned, I converted from faith to knowledge some time ago.

    SPIEGEL: You became an atheist.

    Abdel-Samad: No.

    SPIEGEL: You might as well admit it. Being an atheist is nothing to be ashamed of.

    Abdel-Samad: But it isn't true.

    SPIEGEL: Not a single imam, Catholic priest or rabbi would believe you. Believing in God means accepting that something exists beyond knowledge. If you don't share this belief, why do you insist on calling yourself a Muslim?

    Abdel-Samad: Believing in God can also mean being at odds with him. I don't pray regularly, and I don't fast during Ramadan. In that sense, I'm not religious. But I perceive myself as a Muslim. It's my cultural community. For me, Islam is also my homeland and my language, and my Arabic can't be separated from all of that. You can distance yourself from Islam but remain within the heart of Islam. I don't want to yield to the fundamentalists who preach violence. They are on the rise.

  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #1 - September 17, 2010, 04:00 PM


    Paloma posted a thread about him yesterday, but not this interview, so thanks for that.




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #2 - September 17, 2010, 04:02 PM

    What is "being at odds with God" supposed to mean?

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    SPIEGEL: You might as well admit it. Being an atheist is nothing to be ashamed of.

    Abdel-Samad: But it isn't true.

    SPIEGEL: Not a single imam, Catholic priest or rabbi would believe you. Believing in God means accepting that something exists beyond knowledge. If you don't share this belief, why do you insist on calling yourself a Muslim?

    Abdel-Samad: Believing in God can also mean being at odds with him. I don't pray regularly, and I don't fast during Ramadan. In that sense, I'm not religious. But I perceive myself as a Muslim. It's my cultural community. For me, Islam is also my homeland and my language, and my Arabic can't be separated from all of that. You can distance yourself from Islam but remain within the heart of Islam. I don't want to yield to the fundamentalists who preach violence. They are on the rise.


    How does this make him Muslim just because he believes in God??  I wish I could ask him whether he believes the Quran is from God

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  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #3 - September 17, 2010, 04:18 PM



    I hope this guys memoir gets an English translation.

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    Abdel-Samad: In a sense, Islam is like a drug, like alcohol. A small amount can have a healing and inspiring effect, but when the believer reaches for the bottle of dogmatic faith in every situation, it gets dangerous. This high-proof form of Islam is what I'm talking about. It harms the individual and damages society. It inhibits integration, because this Islam divides the world into friends and enemies, into the faithful and the infidels.





    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #4 - September 17, 2010, 04:21 PM

    What is "being at odds with God" supposed to mean?

    How does this make him Muslim just because he believes in God??  I wish I could ask him whether he believes the Quran is from God


    Inner remnants of faith. And,

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    But I perceive myself as a Muslim. It's my cultural community. For me, Islam is also my homeland and my language, and my Arabic can't be separated from all of that. You can distance yourself from Islam but remain within the heart of Islam.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #5 - September 17, 2010, 04:23 PM

    perhaps he sees the Quran as some kind of historic document

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  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #6 - September 17, 2010, 04:25 PM

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    Abdel-Samad: I knew Abu Zayd well, and I respected him. You know that radical judges declared him to be divorced from his wife because of his liberal views, and that he had to flee Egypt and go to the Netherlands. But those kinds of thinkers are the exception. Most so-called reformers of Islam remind me of the band on the Titanic, which kept on playing even as the ship was sinking, so as to give the passengers the illusion of normalcy. The underlying problems are not addressed.

    SPIEGEL: And what are they?

    Abdel-Samad: Questioning the Koran itself. Although debates are now being initiated, they are never brought to a conclusion. Reformers and conservatives alike continue to be obsessed by the holy book. Sometimes I ask myself who needs the Koran today. Could it be that our faith has a birth defect? Did it become successful too soon, and is that why government and military responsibilities became intermingled with religion? How could Islam have reached such heights in the Middle Ages, and why did almost everything go wrong after that?

    SPIEGEL: What does the Koran mean to you?

    Abdel-Samad: I still reach for it often. It is my education, my childhood.

  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #7 - September 17, 2010, 04:37 PM

    Sounds like a very confused man - he is saying 2 conflicting things.  He's got cognitive dissonance greater than a niqabi working in a brothel.

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  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #8 - September 17, 2010, 04:39 PM

    Nah, you just don't understand him ;p
  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #9 - September 17, 2010, 05:02 PM

    Sounds like a very confused man - he is saying 2 conflicting things.  He's got cognitive dissonance greater than a niqabi working in a brothel.


    He'll work it out eventually.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #10 - September 17, 2010, 05:05 PM

    He'll work it out eventually.



    Judging by what he writes, he already has.  He's just not willing to admit it.

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  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #11 - September 17, 2010, 05:07 PM


    Yes, but that is often the hardest part. He has his reasons in his inner landscape.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #12 - September 19, 2010, 08:58 PM

    Ive come to another conclusion, judging between 8.00 & 9.00 on the documentary, I doubt very much he's a Muslim. 

    I think he doesnt want to denounce Islam publically, not just perhaps because he is worried about a sword slitting his throat, but because he believes his work will have more effect from the inside, rather than from the outside.

    Anyhow, for those interested in this dude, this is a doc on his thoughts as a social commentator (he talks about the need for a post-quranic age, rather than just reinterpretation of the Quran) & has been subtitled in English..

    Your thoughts are welcome..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exmn3h79hQg&feature=autofb

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  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #13 - September 21, 2010, 12:23 PM

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    I think he doesnt want to denounce Islam publically, not just perhaps because he is worried about a sword slitting his throat, but because he believes his work will have more effect from the inside, rather than from the outside.


    Very possible.

    Thanks for the link, will watch it later.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Interview with Hamed Abdel-Samad
     Reply #14 - September 22, 2010, 01:38 PM

    Ive come to another conclusion, judging between 8.00 & 9.00 on the documentary, I doubt very much he's a Muslim. 

    I think he doesnt want to denounce Islam publically, not just perhaps because he is worried about a sword slitting his throat, but because he believes his work will have more effect from the inside, rather than from the outside.

    Anyhow, for those interested in this dude, this is a doc on his thoughts as a social commentator (he talks about the need for a post-quranic age, rather than just reinterpretation of the Quran) & has been subtitled in English..

    Your thoughts are welcome..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exmn3h79hQg&feature=autofb



    Finally watched it. Very impressive, very interesting. An important figure, I feel.

    An English translation of his memoirs would be excellent.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

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