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 Topic: Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?

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  • Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?
     OP - February 12, 2011, 06:48 PM

    The Muslims argue regarding the famous verses 71:15-16 in the Quran:

    Do you not see how Allah has created the seven heavens layered above each other and made the moon a light1 in their midst, and made the sun as a lamp2? -- Quran 71:15-16

    The above verse is often cited by Muslims believers, including Zakir Naik as a miracle. They boast that Allah distinguishes the light originating from the Sun from that which is reflected by the moon. The word light1 in the translation of this verse is rendered in Quran's Arabic original as noor, mean while the word lamp2 is rendered in Quran's Arabic original as siraj.  The Muslims believers claim that that noor is meant to be used as reflected light, and siraj is used as a lamp.

    Let us examine the use of these words elsewhere in Quran, and look at the theological implications of assigning these two meanings to the Arabic words noor and siraj.

    I will be using superscripts in translation of the verses using these verses with noor1, and siraj2. So try to read these verses such that wherever the word noor1 appears it means reflected light, or when context indicates disperser (or reflector) of knowledge and/or religious guidance, and wherever the word siraj2 appears it means source of light, or when context indicates the actual source of knowledge and/or religious guidance. You will also see a new word being used in these verses for lamp3, which is misbah3.

    Let us examine these verses:

    Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The Parable of His Light1 is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp3: the Lamp3 enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light1 upon Light1! Allah doth guide whom He will to His Light1: Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah doth know all things. -- Quran 24:35

    O Prophet! Truly We have sent thee as a Witness, a Bearer of Glad Tidings, and Warner, and as one who invites to Allah's by His leave, and as a lamp2 spreading light1. -- Quran 33:45-46

    As you can see above verses make it clear that a lamp2 is spreading light1. We all know that lamp (siraj) in this context is a source of light (noor, muniir). If Allah is the light (noor or reflected light) of heavens and Earth, and Mohammed is the lamp then obviously Mohammed came up with the knowledge, and Allah is merely reflection or spreading it.

    Only one of two things can be true, either Moon is a source of light, or it is a reflector of light. It cannot be both. There are too many problems with Muslim Theology and Logic. It is apparent from the Quranic verses about science and nature in general that they defy logic, and are nothing more than words of an illiterate man.

    I often wonder what was the secret Mohammed wanted to write on his death bed that he was prevented from doing so by his friends. Some of them even called him delusional due to sickness at that point.

    The most merciful Allah, who is more merciful than your own mortal mother, is capable of punishing you for eternity for a finite sin committed in a finite lifetime with finite knowledge, while your mother nor any living creature that is NOT a sadistic mother fucker would never commit such an act.
  • Re: Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?
     Reply #1 - February 12, 2011, 07:06 PM

    In whose hearts is disease search for explanation of verses whose meaning is known only to Allah.*

    - Allah SWT, Al-Qur'an Al-Kareem 3:7

    *(Paraphrased by ALM, since he did not want to look up the verse again)

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?
     Reply #2 - February 12, 2011, 07:15 PM

    If there are verses in the Quran which are supposed to have meanings only apparent to Allah why are there none which simply read

    Yfuggfnngychffjoougchbtjhd jjbcrjjoiyggjhtjjnghjju

    Pff

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?
     Reply #3 - February 12, 2011, 07:20 PM

    "kaf ha ayn sin qaf" is not the same thing?

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?
     Reply #4 - February 12, 2011, 08:34 PM

    "kaf ha ayn sin qaf" is not the same thing?


    What?  You mean I successfully imitated a verse in the Quran?  We need to tell the Muslims! Smiley

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?
     Reply #5 - February 13, 2011, 02:34 AM

    Muslims will deny you imitated a verse no matter how successfully you imitate one.  They are perpetually in denial and do not know anything what's true and what's false anymore.

    The most merciful Allah, who is more merciful than your own mortal mother, is capable of punishing you for eternity for a finite sin committed in a finite lifetime with finite knowledge, while your mother nor any living creature that is NOT a sadistic mother fucker would never commit such an act.
  • Re: Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?
     Reply #6 - February 13, 2011, 04:41 AM

    What?  You mean I successfully imitated a verse in the Quran?  We need to tell the Muslims! Smiley


    Well, your verse was more complicated tbh, thus more miraculous  Wink

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?
     Reply #7 - February 13, 2011, 06:03 AM

    I got banned twice today by Muslims in a forum for just typing Quranic verses in a discussion, and leaving them open to their own interpretation.

    This is one of them:

    Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

    I wonder how poisonous this verse is to them!

    The most merciful Allah, who is more merciful than your own mortal mother, is capable of punishing you for eternity for a finite sin committed in a finite lifetime with finite knowledge, while your mother nor any living creature that is NOT a sadistic mother fucker would never commit such an act.
  • Re: Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?
     Reply #8 - February 13, 2011, 01:54 PM

    lol, I can see why they banned you. They have mentioned specifically not to write any anti-islamic material after kicking me out. But after I was let in, only few things I did, post my picture drinking G&T in the celebration of my arrival back, and only commented on circumcision. Still kicked out within few minutes.

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    Islam's Last Stand (page)
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  • Re: Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?
     Reply #9 - February 13, 2011, 02:06 PM

    i like your post

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  • Re: Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?
     Reply #10 - February 13, 2011, 02:08 PM

    signwelcome

    Feel free to post your introduction in the intro section...

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  • Re: Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?
     Reply #11 - February 13, 2011, 02:18 PM

    Watch from 03:05

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XLg-SRGMNk
  • Re: Light and Lamp, Lamp and Light... Which is which?
     Reply #12 - February 13, 2011, 02:31 PM

    Well, your verse was more complicated tbh, thus more miraculous  Wink


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