Searchlight poll finds huge support for far right 'if they gave up violence'

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Reply #30 - March 04, 2011, 11:56 PM

Its the imperial mission folks, its an intense patriarchy and sectarianism, delusional notions and delusional self regard, its a hatred for non Muslims, and an organised set of ideological organisations and institutions that act like an echo chamber and move ideas of asserting Islamic codes into the life of a secular egalitarian democratic society. Its Maududi, Ikhwan, Jamaat-e-Islami, Deobandi madrassas, Tariq Ramadan, Saudi billions, its the whole caboodle. Its a massive inferiority complex causing kicking and screaming and an idea that Islam is a total truth that can and should regulate the lives of those who are forced to subscribe to it due to social control, and that it is the axis towards which all societies must ultimately orientate themselves.

Its the ideology, guys, its the ideology.

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Reply #31 - March 04, 2011, 11:59 PM

Quote from: thinkfree on February 27, 2011, 10:56 AM
... where for example new immigrants are often often referred to as FOBs (Fresh Off the Boat) as a derogatory term.

This is very true. Just an Us Vs Them thing I think.

Britain needs immigrants. Decent ones who are happy to work, assimilate and live well. What Briton doesn't need is immigrants who come for the benefits and don't want to work (and worse want to stay segregated from mainstream Britain and British values and life).

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Reply #32 - March 05, 2011, 12:03 AM

Its Tableegi-e-Jamaat, its Dawat-e-Islami, its any number of prosletysing missionary societies originating in Pakistan / Saudi Arabia, that segue into the mindset of converting, changing, and asserting that the taboos of Islam must be observed in a secular society. Its the shared fruit of any number of ideological movements and religious movements that intersect and embolden each other. Thats why many Muslims (both individually and organisationally) in the UK assert a narrative of sharia codes both as an under the radar reality and as a destiny for the mainstream much to be desired. And because liberal Muslims are cowed by the closeness of this vision with the taboos of the religion itself, they are cowed and unable to criticise, because to criticise means to be dissenting from Islam, and that is a horror and shame that paralyses.

Unless society mans up and starts scrutinising the ideology as and when it appears, without fear or inhibition, we'll get to see what happens when an ideology and when men asserting divine-political power succeed in immunising themselves from scrutiny or criticism - an absolute mess, which we are some way into already.

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Reply #33 - March 05, 2011, 01:11 AM

It's amazing how some Muslims take the blatant failures of Islam and failures of Islamic societies, and they somehow twist it around in a way which supposedly presents Islam in a good light.

Eg, most Islamic countries are failed states where corruption is rife, freedom is limited, poverty is widespread and "education" comes from Quran & Hadith instead of science and maths. The vast majority of asylum seekers come from Islamic countries. Islam has failed these countries which is why it's citizens are desperate to emigrate to the West. So what we see is a rise of Muslims immigrants in Western countries.

How do the dawah-gandists twist this around in Islams favour? Quite easily. By claiming that...

"Islam is the fastest growing religion in the West! The West is coming to Islam!"

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Reply #34 - March 06, 2011, 04:30 PM

Quote from: Maya on March 04, 2011, 11:29 PM
LOL donatelo, a lot of the natives probably wouldn't even be able to pass that test.

Quote from: Kenan on March 04, 2011, 11:39 PM
^ not a lot - most

They would, I got 7.5/10 in IELTS and english isn't my first language. Another guy I know from Malaysia got 8/10. Another person got 6, which is the current requirement in most places, and you have to repeat everything 3 times and speak in the most clearest way for him to understand you.

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