Witnessing Islam's rape of academia

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Witnessing Islam's rape of academia
OP - May 16, 2011, 06:46 PM

I'm currently at a public lecture in Amman by one of Iraq's most respected historians, Hussein Ameen. I haven't been this disappointed in Arabs since.. well, since two days ago actually when a friend referred to my Afro-Caribbean ex as 'abeeda'.

Anyway, my disappointment stems from the fact that this 'historian' is basing at least two-thirds of his 'facts' on Islam, citing the Qur'an and other Abrahamic texts as serious sources, while being motivated by wanting to establish Iraq as the pioneer of just about everything in the world - reminds me of a skit in Goodness Gracious Me about the proud and patriotic Indian father (need to find a youtube link when I get home). But I digress...

One antisemitic palestinian-jordanian, after a rabid tirade against the Jews, asked him: "how can you take the Torah as historically accurate?" He hesitantly answered that he didn't. My granddad, at the end of the talk, handed in an anonymous question on a card asking about Dr. Ameen's contradiction, as a historian, in believing one Abrahamic text while dismissing the other. Suspiciously, the question never made it to the list.

However, he did throw at us some lovely gems about gentlemen in Iraq's heyday; how they used to dress, eat and socialise. My favourite tid bit is on their tradition of greeting by throwing flowers at one another. Deliciously camp.

I wish his talk consisted more of such interesting details as opposed droning on about Ibrahim and Adam and how Iraq is the greatest place on earth. It was cringe-worthy. I feel tempted to ask him questions but all of my granddad's friends are here and I wouldn't want to embarrass the poor old man. Granddad has just read this post and laughed at me, saying: "You haven't seen anything yet in the Ummah. This is nothing. Wait until Ramadan." Ha.

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Reply #1 - May 16, 2011, 06:49 PM

sounds like you have a cool grandfather

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Reply #2 - May 16, 2011, 06:54 PM

Quote from: arX on May 16, 2011, 06:46 PM
fact that this 'historian' is basing at least two-thirds of his 'facts' on Islam, citing the Qur'an and other Abrahamic texts as serious sources.

Wow... and he calls himself a historian

Reminds me of the anti-gay speech on a Friday jummah in a university campus I attened with my brother a month ago. I'm surprised no one challenged the old fool, having uni students surrounding him who were brought up in a tolerant society hasn't done anything for them it seems. Sad really.

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Reply #3 - May 16, 2011, 08:08 PM

Your grandfather is an ex-muslim too?
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Reply #4 - May 16, 2011, 08:17 PM

Yes, an atheist, but only myself, nan (who's a deist) and his closest friends know about it.

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Reply #5 - May 16, 2011, 08:34 PM

Hmm, cool indeed. Did he influence you?
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Reply #6 - May 16, 2011, 08:36 PM

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Reply #7 - May 16, 2011, 10:05 PM

Leonardo Da Vinci was Indian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWd9a8Ck8U

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Reply #8 - May 16, 2011, 11:31 PM

I long for the day when arabs living in the middle east are able to speak their minds freely about this kind of bullshittery and conspiracy theories. Their rule of thumb is: Everything good is from Islam and everything bad is from the Jews and Zionists. LOL
Why can't they just be intellectually honest about everything. Even when I was a Muslim I hated self-deluding conspiracy theories. It's often so blatant that they are fooling themselves. It's depressing.

I think the turning point will be when the new generation don't feel that their identity is made of Islam. The problem at the moment is that when you criticise Islam, many arabs and Pakistanis take it as an attack on their identity and culture. Once that is dissociated, and they see Islam as merely a worldview and a claim of truth that they can accept or reject, I think people will start leaving Islam in droves.

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