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OP - July 31, 2011, 01:22 AM

Hi

I am currently considering whether to become an organ donator. I know it makes logical sense (as this damn near perfect beody would be wasted otherwise! - its a shame someone cannot take my face, lol).

I have to say even though it feels logical I gotta say I feel weird thinking my body parts will be cut out when dead.

I should also say I am personally a bit iffy on donations msyelf - would I take one if I had to? If your time is up why not just let it go and deal with it. But at the same time survivial insticts will kick in to stay alive - and others may rely on you - so it can be selfish in a way to die naturally when you coudl take a donation.

Anyhow, as I understand it organ donation is not allowed is Islam so actually signing up will probably be frowned upon by my family and relatives. And when someone does actually die I can see it being a very hard thing to comprehend when your relatives body is in fornt if you but you know they are not all there and so forth.

But anyway, does anyone have an answer that I could use to justify to my family about being a donor?

What are your thoughts?
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Reply #1 - July 31, 2011, 03:24 AM

Hey,
I got through a lot of emotions when thinking on this subject, but anyway, I signed up for it. You have to get it registered in your drivers license ministry if you are in US, or health ministery if you are in Canada. Not sure about others.
Anyways, I want all the reusable body parts to be reused even if that means hands and feet. And rest of my body cremated in the most environmentally friendly way.

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Reply #2 - July 31, 2011, 03:26 AM

Quote from: theghost on July 31, 2011, 01:22 AM
I have to say even though it feels logical I gotta say I feel weird thinking my body parts will be cut out when dead.

Well how do you feel about it decomposing and being eaten by worms whilst its in a box?

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I should also say I am personally a bit iffy on donations msyelf - would I take one if I had to? If your time is up why not just let it go and deal with it.

What do you mean 'if your time is up'?
If you have an accident do you just sit down and let the blood flow?
What about if you develop a severe chest infection? Should you disregard antibiotics and allow your lungs to fail on the grounds that 'your time is up'?
Did you have vaccinations as a child? and if so, why? Just like organ donation, you're fighting against a scenario where your 'time' could be up. Its the same principal.

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But at the same time survivial insticts will kick in to stay alive - and others may rely on you - so it can be selfish in a way to die naturally when you coudl take a donation.
Anyhow, as I understand it organ donation is not allowed is Islam so actually signing up will probably be frowned upon by my family and relatives. And when someone does actually die I can see it being a very hard thing to comprehend when your relatives body is in fornt if you but you know they are not all there and so forth.

But anyway, does anyone have an answer that I could use to justify to my family about being a donor?

What are your thoughts?

Well, I am listed for being donated to medical science and/or organ donation after my death because I wish to help as many people as possible, whether it be directly through saving/improving someones life or helping (somewhat) with a new form of surgery/drug/surgeons tutoring.

As usual when it comes to god his characteristics always seem to suit a particular scenario:
One moment he's all knowing, all loving and can do anything, but the next moment he's unaware of your organ donation, unhappy that you did it no matter what the reason or can't put you back together again for the afterlife..

Theres no ideal way of telling your family essentially that: I apparently can do more to observably improve peoples lives than the being you believe in because 2 hands working does more than a million clasped in prayer..
So its best to keep it vague, such as:
'I have my reasons, god knows, he'll show me a sign if he disagrees' etc etc.
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Reply #3 - July 31, 2011, 03:26 AM

AFAIK some scholars permit organ donation.
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Reply #4 - July 31, 2011, 03:35 AM

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Yes, you are right, in theory seeking medical attention be it for somehting minor or something major like a organ donation follows the same principal.

However, for me there is a big distinction betweent aking tablets and taking in a totally new body part. Almost like some line has been crossed.

Unnatural in a way (well for sure) - if your kidneys have given up the fight then isn;t that natures way of telling you your time is up?

I suppose the view many take is that you only have 1 life so you may as well prolong it as long as possible by whatever means - which is fair enough.

Clearly when we are in pain we will make whatever decision is likely to prolong our life, so I imagine I probably would take a donation if I had to - especially if I was still young.
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Reply #5 - July 31, 2011, 03:48 AM

Quote from: theghost on July 31, 2011, 03:35 AM
mighty_cat

...Unnatural in a way (well for sure) - if your kidneys have given up the fight then isn;t that natures way of telling you your time is up?...

You're talking to someone who is a Molecular Biology graduate.
The answer is no.
Here are some examples..

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001114.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8178582

http://www.ucsfhealth.org/conditions/genetic_heart_disorders/

http://www.medifocushealth.com/GS020/Diagnosis-of-Hereditary-Hemochromatosis_Signs-and-Symptoms-of-Hereditary-Hemochromatosis-print.php

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000495.htm
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Reply #6 - July 31, 2011, 05:12 AM

Funny, I just became an organ donor for the first time when I recently renewed my license. I never could really understand my parents' objection to it in the first place. What happens to my body after I die and permanently lose all consciousness seems rather immaterial, so its a no-brainer for me now.

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Reply #7 - July 31, 2011, 10:02 PM

Quote from: mighty_cats on July 31, 2011, 03:48 AM
You're talking to someone who is a Molecular Biology graduate.
The answer is no.
Here are some examples..

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001114.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8178582

http://www.ucsfhealth.org/conditions/genetic_heart_disorders/

http://www.medifocushealth.com/GS020/Diagnosis-of-Hereditary-Hemochromatosis_Signs-and-Symptoms-of-Hereditary-Hemochromatosis-print.php

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000495.htm

Not sure what that proves? If for whatever reason your major organs cannot cope and you would otherwise die isn't it a fact to say nature says your time is up? Even if it is being born with a genetic defect and dying young. Man is significantly weaker without medical intervention.

Things are muddied now because we have such good medicine that can perhaps prolong life - for exmaple, where someone might have died from a clogged up heart we can now have a bypasses.

But for me a transplant just seems like a huge leap and a bit of a step over the line. I am just not too sure how I would feel about having someone elses body part in me.
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Reply #8 - July 31, 2011, 10:33 PM

I think you need to stop anthropomorphizing nature.
What warrants your assumption that "nature" cares, or is even able to care?

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Reply #9 - July 31, 2011, 10:43 PM

Quote from: Stuff on July 31, 2011, 10:33 PM
I think you need to stop anthropomorphizing nature.
What warrants your assumption that "nature" cares, or is even able to care?

+1

There seems to be some sort 'father knows best' mentality attributed to nature going on here, as if we're supposed to live and die as it chooses, as dictated by signs that its giving us (this time being organ failure).
Seems to be a replacement for god.

Nature isn't a 'thing' per-se.
It doesn't know, it doesn't feel, it doesn't see, or care, or expect etc etc, its a concept much like a 'soul', simply a re-titling of a combination of separate predictable naturally explained events that take place in accordance with the environment its in, much like red diesel in a glass of water.
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Reply #10 - July 31, 2011, 10:50 PM

Quote from: theghost on July 31, 2011, 10:02 PM
But for me a transplant just seems like a huge leap and a bit of a step over the line. I am just not too sure how I would feel about having someone elses body part in me.

Well, the logic of this simply alludes me to be honest.
I don't know what you mean by the second half of that statement.
If you were told you needed a new kidney or you'll die, you'll take one and continue living as normal after its in place,
I doubt the situation would unfold differently.
On top of that, you'd have several pints of several other almost-random peoples blood in the process.
Organs aren't the only things that can be donated either:
Bone marrow, bones, muscle tissue, stem cells, blood, tendons..it all gets used. very little of the body is wasted if you dont want it to.
I just find it strange how the line is almost randomly being drawn (unless you have a problem with hip replacements and stemcells, that is).
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Reply #11 - August 02, 2011, 10:15 PM

I see where you are coming from re nature - I suppose it depends how you view 'nature'.

With regards to medicine I draw a line between being able to treat yourself with medicines and being able to treat yourself with parts from other peopel - there is a line there - for me anyway.

As you say, changes are I would almost certainly take a donation, unless I was perhaps old and in perhaps poor health and on my way out anyway.

Just because we were born naturally doesnt mean we need to stay alive unnaturally. I spose your view is any medical treatment that can give you a prolonged good life whereas I differ slightly.
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