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OP - July 05, 2011, 03:42 AM

Borne out of the materialism thread and incessant nagging, here is a thread for discussing idealism, particularly German Idealism, a la Kant and Fichte, its merit and its problems.

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Reply #1 - July 05, 2011, 04:34 AM

Funny that the article is forgetting a certain German for he's negative ideals.

Are Ideals not formed from our actions with the environment albeit experience. Though the greater form of Ideals come not for mortal beings in my opinion.
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Reply #2 - July 05, 2011, 04:41 AM

Quote from: Eternity on July 05, 2011, 04:34 AM
Funny that the article is forgetting a certain German for he's negative ideals.

Schopenhauer?

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Though the greater form of Ideals come not for mortal beings in my opinion.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.
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Reply #3 - July 05, 2011, 04:56 AM

I meant Hitler and I know he isn't from German but is the next best thing.

I mean that there are certain things men can not comprehend so they really aren't so reliable.
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Reply #4 - July 05, 2011, 05:22 AM

Ah, the idealism we are dealing with here is wrt the philosophy of perception and mind^ i.e. the notion that the fundamental basis of the world or experience is mental.
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Reply #5 - July 05, 2011, 05:32 AM

^The freakin' thread is mental.

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Reply #6 - July 05, 2011, 05:35 AM

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Reply #7 - July 05, 2011, 05:37 AM

Quote from: Alex Lam Meem on July 05, 2011, 05:32 AM
^The freakin' thread is mental.

Of course, it was me that thought it into existence.
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Reply #8 - July 05, 2011, 05:40 AM

You really shouldn't take credit for everything, PS
(But receiving two awards at once will have that effect on a person I suppose)

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Reply #9 - July 05, 2011, 10:06 AM

Regarding materialism contra idealism:

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“Idealism” is a term that had been used sporadically by Leibniz and his followers to refer to a type of philosophy that was opposed to materialism. Thus, for example, Leibniz had contrasted Plato as an idealist with Epicurus as a materialist. The opposition to materialism here, together with the fact that in the English-speaking world the Irish philosopher and clergyman George Berkeley (1685-1753) is often taken as a prototypical idealist, has given rise to the assumption that idealism is necessarily an “immaterialist” doctrine. This assumption, however, is mistaken. The idealism of the Germans was not committed to the type of doctrine found in Berkeley according to which immaterial minds, both infinite (God's) and finite (those of humans), were the ultimately real entities, with apparently material things to be understood as reducible to states of such minds—that is, to “ideas” in the sense meant by the British empiricists.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel/#NatIdeGerTra

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Reply #10 - July 09, 2011, 04:16 AM

...philosopy... what.... is....

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Reply #11 - July 23, 2011, 06:22 AM

The first thing about idealists is that they are also, always, in some sense, theists.

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Reply #12 - July 30, 2011, 02:44 PM

So Idealism essentially says our limited ability of perception stops us from knowing reality fully. Isn't that what technology is for?

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