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  • How is the internet/'hand held devices' :P etc affecting the way we think?
     OP - July 09, 2011, 04:10 PM

    What do you think? Tongue

    How do you think our minds are being affected? To what extent? Is it a positive change or a negative change? Are we losing something/is it important?

    Even now writing this, I've googled to check details on neuroplasticity, checked cemb chat, and generally clicking about...Does quick and easy access to information mean we're becomming more impulsive in our thinking? Lacking the training for long term memory? lacking patience? When we have all our posts saved, quickly edited, updated. What about the levels of intellectual stimulation and resulting boredom with the lack of such high stimulation (i.e in the real-world)?
    Is the increasing number of people diagnosed with ADHD due to our society or genetic? and what about depression any link?

    Are there any mental health implications in using the internet? Stress levels?

    Is it nurturing our 'curiousity' factor, by having this vast resource easily accessible and we can let our minds expand. Does the internet allow for greater individuality?

    What about our expectations? TV and books would already have increased our expectations of life, by 'imagining' the greener grass, the exciting life, with the world connected via the internet do we have even higher expectations? - 'standards' of beauty etc. OR has it reduced that by 'really' seeing (by connecting with people all over the world) what is 'out there' isnt so much greener?

    I think you do get more of what you focus on though, with the interent, it amplifies where your mind is, like if youre into music videos, gaming etc, porn or whatever, the internet is full of that stuff to access easily and I think you can 'trap your mind' into it (addiction)...if you then dont go out the way to go pick on a topic such as politics, philosophy, science to discuss on some forum to balance yourself out.

    I'm just throwing ideas/questions to start this thread off with. I'm interested in what you think. There's probably studies on this done already.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: How is the internet/iPhone etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #1 - July 09, 2011, 05:46 PM

    Everything in moderation ... including moderation of the Internet of course ... I think it can affect a mind adversely yes ...

    Quote
    Signs and symptoms of Internet addiction or computer addiction

    Signs and symptoms of Internet addiction vary from person to person. For example, there are no set hours per day or number of messages sent that indicate Internet addiction. But here are some general warning signs that your Internet use may have become a problem:

    Losing track of time online. Do you frequently find yourself on the Internet longer than you intended? Does a few minutes turn in to a few hours? Do you get irritated or cranky if your online time is interrupted?
    Having trouble completing tasks at work or home. Do you find laundry piling up and little food for dinner in the house because you’ve been busy online? Perhaps you find yourself working late more often because you can’t complete your work on time — then staying even longer when everyone else has gone home so you can surf the Web freely.
    Isolation from family and friends. Is your social life suffering because of all the time you spend online? Are you neglecting your family and friends? Do you feel like no one in your “real” life — even your spouse — understands you like your online friends?
    Feeling guilty or defensive about your Internet use. Are you sick of your spouse nagging you to get off the computer and spend time together? Do you hide your Internet use or lie to your boss and family about the amount of time you spend on the computer and what you do while online?
    Feeling a sense of euphoria while involved in Internet activities. Do you use the Internet as an outlet when stressed, sad, or for sexual gratification or excitement? Have you tried to limit your Internet time but failed?


    http://www.helpguide.org/mental/internet_cybersex_addiction.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_addiction_disorder
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8493149.stm

  • Re: How is the internet/iPhone etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #2 - July 10, 2011, 05:12 AM

    Really interesting points Dust.

    I would google to check what studies have been done, but to be honest that is the problem! We rely on google for everything, and if we were only aware of the level at which site like google/facebook filter information to give us more of what we want and less of what we need - as you say, "amplifying".

    On balance, I think the internet is a great thing in measured doses, but the problem is few people, particularly kids, can exercise self-control. With smart phones people are now permanently online.

    Social interaction is fundamental human need, but interacting online is hardly interacting at all. I am fine for using online to initially meet people, but I cannot for the life of me understand "online relationships". It just seems to by an oxymoron to me!
  • Re: How is the internet/iPhone etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #3 - July 10, 2011, 05:25 AM

    I like how u said internet/iphone

    mainstream -_-

    it is called internet/hand held devices............................

    and yes they are affecting our thinking. we are actually exposed to more information this way

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  • Re: How is the internet/iPhone etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #4 - July 10, 2011, 09:19 AM

    I think the point on self-control/self-awareness is something to be aware of in terms of how concerning it can be to one's attention.

    "When information is cheap, attention becomes expensive."
    — James Gleick (The Information: A History, A Theory, A Flood)

    "What information consumes is rather obvious: it consumes the attention of its recipients. Hence a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention, and a need to allocate that attention efficiently among the overabundance of information sources that might consume it."
    - Herbert Simon

    On that note - bye for several hours! Grin
  • Re: How is the internet/iPhone etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #5 - July 10, 2011, 11:06 AM

    I like how u said internet/iphone

    mainstream -_-

    it is called internet/hand held devices............................

    and yes they are affecting our thinking. we are actually exposed to more information this way


     Afro  Damn straight.

    The internet, god how I wish it had existed when I was younger.  Look at how many young ex muslim members we have, do you think that would have happened with the alternative information they were exposed to on the internet?

    No.  Not as much anyway.  

    It would be foolish to rely solely on the internet to find everything out, the whole point is to research and check out your facts before you accept them as facts, but at least you have the initial stimulating thought as a springboard.

    It probably has made me more anti social and more of a hermit, but it has opened my world up to new ways of thinking, of learning.  It has motivated me to want to go to uni, and to think outside of my lower class box in which no one ever talks about things like Uni lol that is for toffs.

    I think its a good change.  I think too often traditionalists stress about how good things were before the onset of something, but who said they were good?  How was it better before we had these things?

    People were smarter?  were they really?

    People spent more time as a family doing things?  umm did they really?

    People used face to face communication more often, a more personal touch?  umm why is this better?

    I love the internet, I love technology.  I want it to go further.  Before I die I must be in a position to see caprica, or surrogates come to life.  dance

    I was so convinced as a child that by now we would have so much more, flying cars, I could have joined the enterprise or something.

    I want more, I want to plug my brain into the computer and download info and upload memories, and just I want more.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: How is the internet/iPhone etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #6 - July 10, 2011, 12:50 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AOpomu9V6Q
  • Re: How is the internet/iPhone etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #7 - September 01, 2011, 04:42 AM

    new york times article: The Risks of Parenting While Plugged In

     http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/garden/10childtech.html?ref=general&src=me&pagewanted=all

    "
    Quote
    Sherry Turkle, director of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Initiative on Technology and Self, has been studying how parental use of technology affects children and young adults. After five years and 300 interviews, she has found that feelings of hurt, jealousy and competition are widespread. Her findings will be published in “Alone Together” early next year by Basic Books.

    In her studies, Dr. Turkle said, “Over and over, kids raised the same three examples of feeling hurt and not wanting to show it when their mom or dad would be on their devices instead of paying attention to them: at meals, during pickup after either school or an extracurricular activity, and during sports events.”



    Quote
    “It sort of comes back to quality time, and distracted time is not high-quality time, whether parents are checking the newspaper or their BlackBerry,” said Frederick J. Zimmerman, a professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, School of Public Health who has studied how television can distract parents. He also noted that smartphones and laptops may enable some parents to spend more time at home, which may, in turn, result in more, rather than less, quality time overall.

    There is little research on how parents’ constant use of such technology affects children, but experts say there is no question that engaged parenting — talking and explaining things to children, and responding to their questions — remains the bedrock of early childhood learning."



    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: How is the internet/iPhone etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #8 - September 01, 2011, 04:54 AM

    Empathy is no doubt being affected with increase in the use of the internet....

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/born-love/201005/shocker-empathy-dropped-40-in-college-students-2000

    Shocker: Empathy Dropped 40% in College Students Since 2000

    Quote
    College students who hit campus after 2000 have empathy levels that are 40% lower than those who came before them, according to a stunning new study presented at the annual meeting of the Association for Psychological Science by University of Michigan researchers. It includes data from over 14,000 students.


    ^I was linked there from this:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szalavitz/empathy-and-the-internet_b_616142.html





    Who knows maybe these younger generations don't see empathy as even a 'good quality' to possess, after all there's a lot of portrayal of heroes and heroines etc as very 'in control' and 'together' way -> to attain that stance you tend to detach yourself from strong emotions - and also relating to those emotions in others....

    Or maybe it's coping mechanism from being bombarded from all directions by the media these days of 'THIS and THAT, look at this, feel that' etc etc maybe by detaching emotions to a greater degree than previous generations is these younger generations way of dealing with the world.

    ^just ideas, it's all maybes.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: How is the internet/iPhone etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #9 - September 01, 2011, 05:08 AM

    Quote
    By Jamil Zaki  | January 19, 2011 | 40

    The number of adults who read literature for pleasure sank below 50 percent for the first time ever in the past 10 years, with the decrease occurring most sharply among college-age adults. And reading may be linked to empathy. In a study published earlier this year psychologist Raymond A. Mar of York University in Toronto and others demonstrated that the number of stories preschoolers read predicts their ability to understand the emotions of others. Mar has also shown that adults who read less fiction report themselves to be less empathic.


    -Scientific America

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-me-care

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: How is the internet/iPhone etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #10 - September 01, 2011, 05:13 AM

    Also something Q-man Linked to me on Chat....Which i thought was interesting:

    rich-are-different-not-good-way-studies-suggest

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44084236/ns/health-behavior/t/rich-are-different-not-good-way-studies-suggest/

    Quote
    'Psychologist and social scientist Dacher Keltner says the rich really are different, and not in a good way: Their life experience makes them less empathetic, less altruistic, and generally more selfish.'...

    '“We have now done 12 separate studies measuring empathy in every way imaginable, social behavior in every way, and some work on compassion and it’s the same story,” he said. “Lower class people just show more empathy, more prosocial behavior, more compassion, no matter how you look at it.”'

    .....'Unlike the rich, lower class people have to depend on others for survival, Keltner argued. So they learn “prosocial behaviors.” They read people better, empathize more with others, and they give more to those in need.'......

    'He points to his own research and that of others. For example, lower class subjects are better at deciphering the emotions of people in photographs than are rich people.In video recordings of conversations, rich people are more likely to appear distracted, checking cell phones, doodling, avoiding eye contact, while low-income people make eye contact and nod their heads more frequently signaling engagement.'


    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: How is the internet/'hand held devices' :P etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #11 - September 01, 2011, 05:15 AM

    Ok, I know I took it off topic a bit but it all follows on sort of....


     grin12

    And I edited the title just for you Kod. Tongue

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: How is the internet/'hand held devices' :P etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #12 - September 01, 2011, 06:09 AM

    Is that not  saying books  have infuenced our thinking?

    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: How is the internet/'hand held devices' :P etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #13 - September 01, 2011, 08:12 AM

    Also something Q-man Linked to me on Chat....Which i thought was interesting:

    rich-are-different-not-good-way-studies-suggest

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44084236/ns/health-behavior/t/rich-are-different-not-good-way-studies-suggest/



    I dont agree with this entirely especially coming from Q-man Tongue

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: How is the internet/'hand held devices' :P etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #14 - September 01, 2011, 08:34 AM

    What do you think? Tongue

    How do you think our minds are being affected? To what extent? Is it a positive change or a negative change? Are we losing something/is it important?

    Even now writing this, I've googled to check details on neuroplasticity, checked cemb chat, and generally clicking about...Does quick and easy access to information mean we're becomming more impulsive in our thinking? Lacking the training for long term memory? lacking patience? When we have all our posts saved, quickly edited, updated. What about the levels of intellectual stimulation and resulting boredom with the lack of such high stimulation (i.e in the real-world)?
    Is the increasing number of people diagnosed with ADHD due to our society or genetic? and what about depression any link?

    Are there any mental health implications in using the internet? Stress levels?

    Is it nurturing our 'curiousity' factor, by having this vast resource easily accessible and we can let our minds expand. Does the internet allow for greater individuality?

    What about our expectations? TV and books would already have increased our expectations of life, by 'imagining' the greener grass, the exciting life, with the world connected via the internet do we have even higher expectations? - 'standards' of beauty etc. OR has it reduced that by 'really' seeing (by connecting with people all over the world) what is 'out there' isnt so much greener?

    I think you do get more of what you focus on though, with the interent, it amplifies where your mind is, like if youre into music videos, gaming etc, porn or whatever, the internet is full of that stuff to access easily and I think you can 'trap your mind' into it (addiction)...if you then dont go out the way to go pick on a topic such as politics, philosophy, science to discuss on some forum to balance yourself out.

    I'm just throwing ideas/questions to start this thread off with. I'm interested in what you think. There's probably studies on this done already.


    tl;dr

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: How is the internet/'hand held devices' :P etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #15 - September 01, 2011, 06:26 PM

    If it's not going to directly lead to my own social advancement or pleasure I won't read it is the way I think that many people think. Empathy also becomes a very selectively utilized emotion.

    @Jesus Christ  Cheesy

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  • Re: How is the internet/'hand held devices' :P etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #16 - September 03, 2011, 08:25 AM

    @Jesus Christ  Cheesy


    tl;dr

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  • Re: How is the internet/'hand held devices' :P etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #17 - September 03, 2011, 08:27 AM

    Fuck it. I tl;dr this entire universe.

    Good bye..


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  • Re: How is the internet/'hand held devices' :P etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #18 - September 03, 2011, 11:05 AM

    I think it also means we superficially consider ourselves experts on a variety of topics since we can simply look things up online about many topics, e.g. Palestine & Israel, general philosophy, exegesis, etc.
  • Re: How is the internet/'hand held devices' :P etc affecting the way we think?
     Reply #19 - September 20, 2011, 11:33 AM

    I thought i might post something positive on this thread

    Quote
    Electronic education
    Flipping the classroom
    Hopes that the internet can improve teaching may at last be bearing fruit
    Sep 17th 2011 | LOS ALTOS | from the print edition

    MacSchool
    THE 12-year-olds filing into Courtney Cadwell’s classroom at Egan Junior High in Los Altos, a leafy suburb of Silicon Valley, each take a white MacBook from a trolley, log on to a website called KhanAcademy.org and begin doing maths exercises. They will not get a lecture from Ms Cadwell, because they have already viewed, at home, various lectures as video clips on KhanAcademy (given by Salman Khan, its founder). And Ms Cadwell, logged in as a “coach”, can see exactly who has watched which. This means that class time is now free for something else: one-on-one instruction by Ms Cadwell, or what used to be known as tutoring.

    So Ms Cadwell, in her own web browser, pulls up a dashboard where KhanAcademy’s software presents, through the internet, the data the children are producing at that instant. She can view information for the entire class or any individual pupil. Just then she sees two fields, representing modules, turning from green to red, one for Andrea, the other for Asia. Ms Cadwell sees that Andrea is struggling with exponents, Asia with fractions. “Instead of having to guess where my students have gaps, I can see it, at that moment, and I walk over to that one student,” says Ms Cadwell, as she arrives at Asia’s chair.

    In this section
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    Asia
    While the other pupils continue to work at their own pace and at different problems, Ms Cadwell now spends a few minutes just with Andrea and Asia. Soon Andrea has an epiphany and starts firing correct answers, getting, in KhanAcademy’s jargon, a “badge”, then going “transonic”. A few minutes later, Asia also gets a “streak”. She lets out a shriek. Ms Cadwell, with a big smile, is off to another pupil. “The growth in these kids is just staggering,” she says. “This is the future. I don’t see how it couldn’t be.”

    This reversal of the traditional teaching methods—with lecturing done outside class time and tutoring (or “homework”) during it—is what Mr Khan calls “the flip”. A synonym for flip, of course, is revolution, and this experiment in Los Altos just might lead to one. For although only a handful of classes in this public-school district tried the method in the last school year, many other schools, private and public, are now expressing interest, and the methodology is spreading.

    Indeed, philanthropists such as Bill Gates have such high hopes for the new method that they have given money to KhanAcademy, a tiny non-profit organisation based in Mountain View, next to Los Altos. This means that the more than 2,400 video lectures, on anything from arithmetic and finance to chemistry and history, will remain free for anybody.

    If KhanAcademy were merely about those online lectures, of course, it would be in good but large company. Increasingly, teachers, professors and other experts make their talks available online: on iTunes, YouTube or university websites. Some, such as Michael Sandel at Harvard with his philosophy lectures, have become minor celebrities. More and more sites exist purely to spread learning—some free, such as AcademicEarth.org; others not, such as TheGreatCourses.com.

    Watching lectures online, or on a smartphone or iPad on the go, has advantages, as Mr Khan has discovered from the huge number of comments he gets on his site. Children (or adults, for that matter) need no longer feel ashamed when they have to review part or all of a lecture several times. So they can advance at their own pace.

    But lectures, whether online or in the flesh, play only a limited role in education. Research shows that the human brain accepts new concepts largely through constant recall while interacting socially. This suggests that good teaching must “de-emphasise lecture and emphasise active problem-solving,” says Carl Wieman, a winner of the Nobel prize in physics and an adviser to Barack Obama.

    To KhanAcademy’s fans, the flip that Mr Khan advocates helps to do just that. As a tool, KhanAcademy individualises teaching and makes it interactive and fun. Maths “is social now,” says Kami Thordarson, as the 10-year-olds in the 5th-grade class she teaches at Santa Rita Elementary School huddle round their laptops to solve arithmetic problems as though they were trading baseball cards or marbles.

    The system has its detractors. First, it may not be much use beyond “numerate” subjects such as maths and the sciences; KhanAcademy does have a few history offerings, but they are less convincing than the huge number of maths and science ones. Second, even in these subjects KhanAcademy implicitly reinforces the “sit-and-get” philosophy of teaching, thinks Frank Noschese, a high-school physics teacher in New York. That is, it still “teaches to the test”, without necessarily engaging pupils more deeply. Worse, says Mr Noschese, KhanAcademy’s deliberate “gamification” of learning—all those cute and addictive “meteorite badges”—may have the “disastrous consequence” of making pupils mechanically repeat lower-level exercises to win awards, rather than formulating questions and applying concepts.

    The teachers now using KhanAcademy counter that it is meant to be merely one, not the only, teaching tool, and that by freeing up class time it also makes possible other projects that do exactly what Mr Noschese promotes. In the fifth-grade class at Santa Rita, the children have made a tile floor (requiring fancy maths to estimate sizes, shapes and numbers). When this correspondent visited, they practised on KhanAcademy but then played SKUNK, a game involving probability.

    America’s standardised tests are now “easy, a floor, not of interest”, says Ms Thordarson. She feels that the tool thus allows her to teach better and go deeper. But “You have to be more creative and more flexible, which is challenging,” she says. It’s not for teachers who “want to turn a page in a book”, adds Kelly Rafferty, the co-teacher. They thereby answer one common misconception about KhanAcademy: that it makes live teachers less relevant. Mr Khan, the teachers and Mr Gates all insist that the opposite is the case. It can liberate a good teacher to become even better. Of course, it can also make it easy for a bad teacher to cop out.

    The value of teachers

    The arrival of a powerful new tool thus does not replace the other necessary element in education reform, the raising of teacher quality. Good teaching is the single biggest variable in educating pupils, bigger than class size, family background or school funding, says Eric Hanushek, an education expert at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. And crucial to having better teachers is evaluating them properly, hiring, firing and promoting on merit.

    The teachers’ unions, however, are fighting all attempts to move away from systems in which pay and tenure are linked only to seniority and credentials. In some places, such as Washington, DC, the reformers have won a few skirmishes; in others, such as Los Angeles, the unions are digging in for a long war. The core question is how, even whether, teachers can be evaluated fairly on the basis of exam results or classroom observation (given that some pupils are from educated families, others from poor areas, and so on). The unions are doing their best to ensure that evaluations have no consequences in staffing.

    Technology can play a part here, because, in essence, evaluation is an information problem. Today’s standardised tests are deservedly unpopular with teachers and parents because, first, the “standards” tend to be low (and easily lowered further); second, teaching to the test is a form of dumbing down; and third, the tests take place only once or twice a year.

    By contrast, spend a few minutes playing with the KhanAcademy dashboard of a class in Los Altos, and you see a vision of the future. You can follow the progress of each child—where she started, how she progressed, where she got stuck and “unstuck” (as Ms Thordarson likes to put it). You can also view the progress of the entire class. And you could aggregate the information of all the classes taught by one teacher, of an entire school or even district, with data covering a whole year.

    Dennis van Roekel, the president of the National Education Association (NEA), the largest labour union in America with 3.2m members, goes ballistic at this suggestion. “Don’t demean the profession” by implying that you can rate teachers with numbers, he says. Besides, this sort of thing would introduce destructive competition into a culture that should be collaborative, he adds (without explaining why data-driven evaluations have not destroyed collaboration in other industries).

    The NEA and its supporters will eventually lose this fight, says Kate Walsh, the president of the National Council on Teacher Quality, a think-tank that unions love to hate. “It will be considered fair game to collect the data” and to use them to get better teachers in America’s classrooms, she says. It may or may not be KhanAcademy’s software that produces this information. Nonetheless, the academy, “by offering a different model, is forcing the issue that people have speculated about”, says Mr Hanushek at Stanford. “These technological ideas offer the possibility of breaking a logjam.”


    http://www.economist.com/node/21529062?fsrc=scn/tw/te/ar/flippingtheclassroom

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