To ex-muslims, was this one of the reasons you left islam? (please read)

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OP - January 19, 2012, 09:40 PM

Doing research about mohammad with my friends, we all came to the conclusion, what he did was wrong. It has been said he married Aisha at age 6, and consumated the marriage at the age of 9. Mohammad said he dreamed about her before he asked her father to marry her. It was also narrated by Aisha, that after she had sex with him, she went to play with her dolls. Another narration was that she would take baths with mohammad.

Ok, so this means a few things-

1. Mohammad was dreaming of marrying a child (he was around 50 at the time)

2. Mohammad saw nothing wrong with her playing with DOLLS after sex. Did he not realize he was old enough to be her grandfather?

3. Mohammad took regular baths with her. A naked 50 year old man in a tub with a naked 9 year old girl. Anybody see something wrong with this, or am I just crazy?

4. In order to have sex, the male must be hard. This means mohammad got hard by looking at a 9 year old girls body.

5. If he was a true prophet, he would of known that marriage and sex with a young child is bad for their mental health. He shouldn't of done it.

SO, This concludes he was a pedophile, right? And if not a pedophile, he definitely was some sort of pervert.

How could a muslim be okay with this!? I dont understand how they can be so blind and accepting to this.
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Reply #1 - January 19, 2012, 09:43 PM

Hello cocoa, welcome to the forum. Would you like to introduce yourself in this section?

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?board=2.0

Mo's marriage to Aisha has been discussed alot here and yes, it is perverse and calls into question the claims of eternal immutable perfection that Muslims make for him.

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Reply #2 - January 19, 2012, 09:53 PM

Quote from: cocoa on January 19, 2012, 09:40 PM
Doing research about mohammad with my friends, we all came to the conclusion, what he did was wrong. It has been said he married Aisha at age 6, and consumated the marriage at the age of 9. Mohammad said he dreamed about her before he asked her father to marry her. It was also narrated by Aisha, that after she had sex with him, she went to play with her dolls. Another narration was that she would take baths with mohammad.

helloo.. cocoa.. Hmm sounds cocoa butter., So.. so what?? 8 yearolds, 18 year olds, 28 year olds play with dolls and play computer games... so what cocoa

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Ok, so this means a few things-

1. Mohammad was dreaming of marrying a child (he was around 50 at the time)

Who knows who dreams what and who dreamed what.. did Muhammad(PBUH) tell any one

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2. Mohammad saw nothing wrong with her playing with DOLLS after sex. Did he not realize he was old enough to be her grandfather?

No proof.. just talk..

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3. Mohammad took regular baths with her. A naked 50 year old man in a tub with a naked 9 year old girl. Anybody see something wrong with this, or am I just crazy?

yes you are crazy.. NO PROOF JUST TALK..

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4. In order to have sex, the male must be hard. This means mohammad got hard by looking at a 9 year old girls body.

No proof just talk.. you are just dreaming..

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5. If he was a true prophet, he would of known that marriage and sex with a young child is bad for their mental health. He shouldn't of done it. [/b]

what is sex has to do with revelations?? Sex is sex., Muhammad is Muhammad, Prophet is Prophet and Allah is Allah., It is all cock bull stories about Prophet of Islam..

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SO, This concludes he was a pedophile, right? And if not a pedophile, he definitely was some sort of pervert.

Nope wrong conclusions., that doesn't prove Prophet of Islam was pedophile
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How could a muslim be okay with this!? I dont understand how they can be so blind and accepting to this.

with what?? A Muslim must accept everything about Islamic Prophet/s. You don't understand Islam.,

To understand Islam
first you have to be a Muslim
next learn Arabic
3rd you go to an expert in Quran & hadth to learn science of Islam

then you can tell something about Islam so we can learn from you dear cocoa

any ways welcome to CEMB..
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Reply #3 - January 19, 2012, 10:04 PM

I'm not learning arabic to read a damn book. I already read it in english. I don't like it.

Also too, you seriously don't think he was a pedophile for having sex with a 9 year old child? Dude, you are disgusting!

and you call me crazy? LOL You're the crazy one.
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Reply #4 - January 19, 2012, 10:18 PM

Welcome to the forum, cocoa.

Yes this is ONE of many reasons for why i left Islam. First time i found about this was 7 years ago when I really started doubting Islam. Since then I have always known that not only wasnt Muhammad far away from being what Muslims call him (al-Insān al-Kāmil - perfect human being), but he was imperfect in many ways. I have many times said the following, most Muslims are much more closer to be "perfect" (if you can use that term) then their so called perfect prophet ever was. There is NOTHING perfect with Muhammad.

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Reply #5 - January 19, 2012, 10:21 PM

Quote from: cocoa on January 19, 2012, 10:04 PM
I'm not learning arabic to read a damn book. I already read it in english. I don't like it.

Also too, you seriously don't think he was a pedophile for having sex with a 9 year old child? Dude, you are disgusting!

and you call me crazy? LOL You're the crazy one.

Chill. What he did was disgusting and its no reason to excuse it but the term "pedophilia" scientifically (in psychology and psychiatry) is more broader then what you think. Was he a pedophile? Maybe he was (this is debatable). Its still morally disgusting and repulsive what he did.

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Reply #6 - January 19, 2012, 10:25 PM

I just grew up and stopped believing in silly shit.

And Mohammed wasn't only a pedophile. He was a child rapist.

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Reply #7 - January 19, 2012, 10:27 PM

I agree. And thats because Aisha was too young to give real consent. So yes, im sure he forced himself inside her. Considering she was 9 years old, i doubt she was very happy or enjoyed it.

He is a pedophile no doubt! I just really dont understand how a muslim can try and defend him. There is no justifying pedophilia.
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Reply #8 - January 19, 2012, 10:33 PM

I agree with Ishina. He was a child rapist, but not (necessarily) a pedophile. We cant be 100 % sure but from Islamic sources as Hadith and sirah the only conclusion you can come to is that he raped a child. That he was a pedophile? No. That he did rape a child says the most about his moral character. So you don't actually need to label him as a pedophile. Since he was a monster.

Well cocoa. I dont know if you are an Ex-Muslim (?) yourself, but religious people not only Muslims will defend a lot of disgusting, vile and crazy shit just because of belief. When I used to be a Muslim i was actually a "good" Muslim apologist. I used to avoid this topic, but I had also my ways to defend Muhammads crimes against humanity (I use humanity, because that is the correct label).

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Reply #9 - January 19, 2012, 10:38 PM

Pedophilia is defined as "psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 or older) typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary). The child must be at least five years younger in the case of adolescent pedophiles (16 or older) to be termed pedophilia."

So, if he got hard by looking at her and having sex with her, then that means he obviously was attracted to children. Unless he was only attracted to HER as a child. I'm not sure. but if he was attracted to her, I assume there would be more attraction to other children.

If he is attracted to other children, he was a pedophile, otherwise you are correct he was just a perverted child rapist with her.
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Reply #10 - January 19, 2012, 10:42 PM

cocoa, would you like to introduce yourself by starting a thread in this part of the forum?

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?board=2.0

Its the general protocol, so you can just introduce yourself to everyone

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Reply #11 - January 19, 2012, 10:44 PM

Notice this part in your quotation: typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children

With the exception of Aisha, his other wives was in the age of 17-40 (not all of them were wives, some of them was his concubines = sex slaves) when he married them. With Khadijah being the oldest, if I am not wrong.

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Reply #12 - January 19, 2012, 10:46 PM

Quote from: billy on January 19, 2012, 10:42 PM
cocoa, would you like to introduce yourself by starting a thread in this part of the forum?

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?board=2.0

Its the general protocol, so you can just introduce yourself to everyone

I know, i posted that I was new in the "new here " thread
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Reply #13 - January 19, 2012, 10:48 PM

Quote from: Al-Ma`arri on January 19, 2012, 10:44 PM
Notice this part in your quotation: typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children

With the exception of Aisha, his other wives was in the age of 17-40 (not all of them were wives, some of them was his concubines = sex slaves) when he married them. With Khadijah being the oldest, if I am not wrong.

well, either way, its still wrong. And a true prophet would never have sex or marry a child.
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Reply #14 - January 19, 2012, 10:59 PM

Quote from: cocoa on January 19, 2012, 10:46 PM
I know, i posted that I was new in the "new here " thread

Hey cocoa, welcome to CEMB. I saw your post on the "new here" thread, but that was started by Chronoglider. All newbies tend to start a new thread of their own just to say hello and introduce themselves. So looking forward to reading yours too
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Reply #15 - January 19, 2012, 10:59 PM

Quote from: cocoa on January 19, 2012, 10:46 PM
I know, i posted that I was new in the "new here " thread

We know you are new, as we can see from your post count, and never having seen you before

We're a friendly forum and its customary for new members to post an introduction in that part of the forum just to let people know a little about yourself and to know where you're coming from.

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Reply #16 - January 19, 2012, 11:08 PM

I just made my own thread in the intro section. You can read it if you want. Idont have too much of a back story
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Reply #17 - January 19, 2012, 11:11 PM

Quote from: Ishina on January 19, 2012, 10:25 PM
I just grew up and stopped believing in silly shit.

Hear hear. I don't think I have any specific reasons for not believing anymore, nor do I want to waste my time trying to disprove Islam. It is simply silly and, contrary to any new information, the onus remains on muslims to prove otherwise.
In general, I think there is too much emphasis on what is wrong with Islam rather than what could possibly be right about it, which is the way it should be.

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Reply #18 - January 20, 2012, 12:42 AM

I think most religions are silly.
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Reply #19 - January 20, 2012, 12:45 AM

@ yeezevee:

If Muhammed married Aisha at her 6th year of her life and consumed the marriage when she was 9 this means he had sex with her and as far as I know there are a bunch of Hadiths to prove this, I was just recently watching Klingschor's vids on Youtube and he had some pretty good vids about this topic.
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Reply #20 - January 20, 2012, 12:50 AM

Quote from: z10 on January 19, 2012, 11:11 PM
Hear hear. I don't think I have any specific reasons for not believing anymore, nor do I want to waste my time trying to disprove Islam. It is simply silly and, contrary to any new information, the onus remains on muslims to prove otherwise.
In general, I think there is too much emphasis on what is wrong with Islam rather than what could possibly be right about it, which is the way it should be.

z10, you are a smart man. Isn't that a contradiction? The existence of not only you, me and all other Ex-Muslims but this forum in total? I agree with you that we shouldn't over-do it, but what is it to over-do? Islam is a totalitarian belief, the least we can do is to criticize this totalitarian and destructive belief.

Every week new and young Ex-Muslims come to this forum and sign up. Its amazing that many of them are released from this mental prison called Islam much earlier than many of us are. This mental bondage and as you already know it partly happens because they are exposed to criticism of islam. Which again triggers the "hunger and need" to do some research.

Not everyone keeps on being Muslims, some of us actually do change their mind and see islam (and religion) for what it is: destructive hogwash!

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Reply #21 - January 20, 2012, 04:42 AM

Right, but there are people who still choose to believe in it even though they know the crap that goes on in there. Stuff like mo-hammy being a rapist, or him being a thief.
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