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Other people making fun of Islam
OP - May 13, 2012, 06:21 PM

I randomly learned about Kumail Najiani while listening to a podcast. He's a Pakistani, ex-Muslim. Here's an excerpt from one of his interviews:

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AVC: In the show, people laughed when you explained values and practices of Islam, like the threat of molten lead in your ears for listening to pop music. How much of that do you think stems from people’s discomfort?

KN: I think a lot of it is discomfort. It’s also that it’s such a different world, and thinking that a little boy is hearing things about [self-flagellation] or molten lead in his ears is kind of funny once you’re removed from it. It’s so absurd, getting this little 8-year-old kid to do all these things that are very, very specific and violent punishments. I think some of it is awkward laughter, but some of it is just the juxtaposition of the fantastic and the mundane. It’s weird. The whole religion thing, I grew up with it so much. Obviously I’ve sort of let it go now, but I still feel like other people don’t get to make fun of it. I can talk about it, but those guys don’t get to talk about it. It’s this weird thing. I don’t want them to laugh when I’m just describing it.

AVC: Like the n-word?

KN: Yeah, exactly. I understand the religion so well that I can make fun of it, but they don’t know anything about it. That is something that rankles me a little bit when I’m up there. I don’t want people to get the sense from this that I’m ripping on Islam. It’s just my journey with it.

Anyone else feel the same way? I know I do! I secretly get annoyed whenever my atheist room-mates (who were never Muslim) make fun of Islam or talk about how crazy Muslims are, and don't get me started on my Hindu friends. I know some of you are gonna disagree and say that any person should be able to mock whatever religion they please. But it just doesn't sit well with me, and I still take it personally especially since my mom and dad are Muslims.
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Reply #1 - May 13, 2012, 06:24 PM

Muslims step into my territory. They dont mind their own business. That is why I feel entirely justified in ridiculing them.

When black people start telling me how brilliant 'niggers' are, and how stupid 'crackers' are, then the 'n word' comparison would be valid.

Moreover, it is incorrect to say that simply because i am not (and have never been) Muslim, that "i dont know anything about" the religion. I know plenty about the arguments I get involved in. Muslims dont stick to discussing Islam. They also deserve to be ridiculed on their statements about science, and politics, and history, and other religions, and everything else.
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Reply #2 - May 13, 2012, 07:26 PM

Quote from: Hurt on May 13, 2012, 06:21 PM
......... Kumail Najiani .................

What do we expect from fellow like that guy who goes around infidels..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB75Xjk5h7Y

and makes fun of Islam/Muslims and Quran Hang them high ...

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Reply #3 - May 13, 2012, 07:41 PM

Quote from: dr_sloth on May 13, 2012, 06:24 PM
Muslims step into my territory. They dont mind their own business. That is why I feel entirely justified in ridiculing them.

When black people start telling me how brilliant 'niggers' are, and how stupid 'crackers' are, then the 'n word' comparison would be valid.

Moreover, it is incorrect to say that simply because i am not (and have never been) Muslim, that "i dont know anything about" the religion. I know plenty about the arguments I get involved in. Muslims dont stick to discussing Islam. They also deserve to be ridiculed on their statements about science, and politics, and history, and other religions, and everything else.

I don't know you fully but I think you have a good grasp of Islam. I think I mind more people making fun of something they don't know anything about.

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Reply #4 - May 13, 2012, 08:35 PM

If Islam wouldn't leave itself open to ridicule in the first place. Besides I think Jews are the most ridiculed religious people in the world and they aren't throwing up a big stink about it. Everyone is made fun of, its silly to whine a cry about it. At the same token we all are guilty of ridiculing other people. Just handled it as maturely as you can. =p

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Reply #5 - May 13, 2012, 08:42 PM

Its understandable that you might feel sensitive to criticisms or ridicule even if you have residual attachments to Islam. The problem is that Islam does make incredible truth claims, and seeks to influence society and make moral judgements and makes judgements on non Muslims, even in non Muslim societies. It also does seek to inhibit discussion through complaining of hurt sentiments and so on and so forth. In many ways, Islam invites attention and scrutiny and even ridicule.

Never seen this comedian before. I admire him. Its never easy to speak out, and do so in a high profile way like this.

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Reply #6 - May 13, 2012, 09:23 PM

Quote from: Hurt on May 13, 2012, 06:21 PM
I secretly get annoyed whenever my atheist room-mates (who were never Muslim) make fun of Islam or talk about how crazy Muslims are, and don't get me started on my Hindu friends. I know some of you are gonna disagree and say that any person should be able to mock whatever religion they please. But it just doesn't sit well with me, and I still take it personally especially since my mom and dad are Muslims.

Question: do you feel similarly offended when people make jokes about Mormons? About Christians? Anyone else?

Next question: have you ever laughed at jokes about non-Muslim religious groups?

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Reply #7 - May 15, 2012, 07:28 PM

I should clarify that I have no problem with jokes made tongue-in-cheek. It's the genuinely spiteful ones that sting. Genuinely spiteful "jokes" are ones where you can tell the person isn't even really making a joke but actually believes he is making a serious point. One of my good friends, who is an agnostic Hindu, cracks jokes about Muslims beating their wives and shooting people, and we both laugh. It comes off as satire the way he says it and smiles. But then there are guys who you can tell have some real hatred when they say it. If they even smile, it's more of a smirk. They genuinely think Muslims are inherently violent, and for instance that 9/11 is solely religiously motivated, without even acknowledging terrible US policy in the middle east. And I have Muslim family and friends who are good people and mind their own religious business. It stings to realize that even though I am basically atheist, there are people close to me that are genuinely hated and looked down upon.
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Reply #8 - May 15, 2012, 07:51 PM

Quote from: dr_sloth on May 13, 2012, 06:24 PM
Muslims step into my territory. They dont mind their own business. That is why I feel entirely justified in ridiculing them.

When black people start telling me how brilliant 'niggers' are, and how stupid 'crackers' are, then the 'n word' comparison would be valid.

Moreover, it is incorrect to say that simply because i am not (and have never been) Muslim, that "i dont know anything about" the religion. I know plenty about the arguments I get involved in. Muslims dont stick to discussing Islam. They also deserve to be ridiculed on their statements about science, and politics, and history, and other religions, and everything else.

I get where you are coming from. I have no sympathy for people that encroach on other peoples' freedom to live their own lives. But I think most Muslims DO mind their own business (at least in America), but they are still considered the scum of society. I feel like people who were never Muslim (or part of any religion) don't realize how easy it is for even smart people to be religious. You probably wouldn't even say that there are any positive aspects to Islam, while I would because I've personally experienced feelings of peace and strength from having been Muslim and believing in God in the past.

Do any members of your family claim to be part of a religion? Your parents? What religion are they? What if I called them stupid for their pathetic beliefs??
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Reply #9 - May 15, 2012, 07:56 PM

Quote from: osmanthus on May 13, 2012, 09:23 PM
Question: do you feel similarly offended when people make jokes about Mormons? About Christians? Anyone else?

Next question: have you ever laughed at jokes about non-Muslim religious groups?

Yeah, I've laughed. Perhaps with just an inkling of hesitation. But I've definitely laughed without feeling as offended as if it was a joke about Islam. However, my point is I would never MYSELF make a genuinely spiteful joke about another religion.
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Reply #10 - May 15, 2012, 08:52 PM

Quote from: Hurt on May 15, 2012, 07:51 PM
Do any members of your family claim to be part of a religion? Your parents? What religion are they? What if I called them stupid for their pathetic beliefs??

But I don't ridicule them for their beliefs. I ridicule them for the things that they insist are true, and so clearly true that I must be stupid / uneducated/ ignorant / blind / deaf/ stubborn / brainwashed / evil / Jewish / just a hater/ following my own desires / dishonest / gay/ an alcoholic /pervert/ or adulterer, if I am not convinced.
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Reply #11 - May 16, 2012, 01:41 AM

It's open season on silly ideologies. Especially ones that strut around like they own the place.

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Reply #12 - May 16, 2012, 02:29 AM

Quote from: Hurt on May 15, 2012, 07:51 PM
I get where you are coming from. I have no sympathy for people that encroach on other peoples' freedom to live their own lives. But I think most Muslims DO mind their own business (at least in America), but they are still considered the scum of society. I feel like people who were never Muslim (or part of any religion) don't realize how easy it is for even smart people to be religious. You probably wouldn't even say that there are any positive aspects to Islam, while I would because I've personally experienced feelings of peace and strength from having been Muslim and believing in God in the past.

Do any members of your family claim to be part of a religion? Your parents? What religion are they? What if I called them stupid for their pathetic beliefs??

I know how you feel Hurt.

The kinds of jokes that you mention are one's that degrade the intrinsic humanity of muslims as people. Of course I understand why Islam, the religion, is a loathsome and abhorrent worldview when followed literally, and I wholeheartedly support its ridicule. But the end towards which this ridicule is directed does matter, and I think this intention is what separates genuine edgy kinds of satire with stuff that's basically hate speech. We shouldn't be afraid to confront the latter, even as ex-muslims who have tried to distance ourselves from Islamic ideology.

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Reply #13 - May 16, 2012, 01:50 PM

nothing is sacred anymore & nothing is above being ridiculed or satired, NOTHING deserves that privilege

islam itself is comical and pure LOL. You got a celestial mussolini who is some sort of invisible semetic version of david blaine who created human adults consisiting of trillions of cells in one moment of sky sorcery.... that's frickin hilarious .. also he's abit of a recluse and introvert so he (or got someone) to ambush random middle eastern nomads in the dark ages, but nobody listened to his message he got bored of it and thought fuck it ....
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Reply #14 - May 16, 2012, 01:53 PM

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You got a celestial mussolini who is some sort of invisible semetic version of david blaine

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #15 - May 16, 2012, 08:30 PM

1.5 people actually believe that billy
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Reply #16 - May 16, 2012, 10:24 PM

hurt. sometimes the fart in the masjid is funny, and sometimes
it stinks.

im an ex muslim and have laughed my ass off at quite a few
mohammad cartoons and other muslims jokes. Other ones
arent really funny.

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Reply #17 - May 23, 2012, 02:37 PM

islam is the religion of peice, just spell EID backwards and see what you get
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