Slavery in Islam

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Re: Slavery in Islam
Reply #30 - May 11, 2012, 09:33 PM

There are times when I get a gleeful thrill as Muslims engage in certain apologetics, because all you need to do is bring it out of them, and they incriminate Islam without even knowing it. But that might be for things that say, a believing bible-bashing Christian would incriminate himself for, with his fervour and blindness on matters of heaven and hell, the existence of god, and so on and so forth.

However, I genuinely cringe when Muslims carry out apologia for slavery, because they not only incriminate themselves and their religion, they also make Islam appear deeply sinister and menacing, and they don't even realise what they are doing. They have so little self-awareness, they are so unaware of how it appears in the eyes of the rest of the world, so stuck in the parochial hole of justifying the literalist word of the Quran and the sunnah of Muhammad, that it seems as if they have a complete block on reality, upon modern morality and sensibilities, and on the very darkness they paint when they engage in apologetics for things like this. And then, I feel pity for them.

Its not easy advertising yourself in a modern world with apologia for primitive ideas - but a literal devotion to Islam puts men and women in that position - and for doing that, for humiliating the dignity of people in the modern world, by making them debase themselves in front of a horrified world, debasing all moral sense and decency to render reasoning and exultation for this, and other things that Islam contorts and mangles minds to sport for - for this, for demeaning modern men and women, for this I think Islam is especially wretched.

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Reply #31 - May 12, 2012, 11:52 AM

can someone drop some hadith please of mo's where he's buying, selling. trading slaves etc
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Reply #32 - May 26, 2012, 10:58 PM

Here's one from Bukhari:

Volume 8, Book 79, Number 707:

Narrated 'Amr:

Jabir said: An Ansari man made his slave a Mudabbar and he had no other property than him. When the Prophet heard of that, he said (to his companions), "Who wants to buy him (i.e., the slave) for me?" Nu'aim bin An-Nahham bought him for eight hundred Dirhams. I heard Jabir saying, "That was a coptic slave who died in the same year."
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Reply #33 - May 26, 2012, 11:10 PM

Quote from: Cato on February 28, 2012, 12:20 PM
I hate how some muslims try to twist their argument in favour of Slavery in Islam by saying "Mo encourages muslims to free their slaves,if one frees a slave they will be in paradise,So Mo hates slavery"

I remember hearing the argument that Islam didn't outright ban slavery, but rather made it that slavery would quickly be eliminated due to this supposed encouragement to free your slaves. While this may hold true for Muslim slaves, a quick glance at islamic history clearly tells another story regarding non-muslim slaves. As exemplified in Aya 33:50, the general rule for non-muslim captives of war were that they automatically became slaves. Someone please explain to me how a religion that allows for the "creation" of new slaves promotes the eventual abolishment of slavery? Totally absurd in my opinion.
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