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  • Exorcisms - If in wrong place please move.
     OP - March 06, 2012, 02:23 PM

    A place to talk about exorcisms and your views on them.

    I have just been listening to a conversation at university by some people talking about exorcism. They think it real and one of them has even 'performed' one in a house where a 12 year old was not sleeping stating a 'presence' in the room with her, her mother then 'heard' it too and asked this lady in for an exorcism to occur. My opinion is that the 12 yr old was having either night terrors or had a really active imagination linking it with the idea of demons from religious teachings around her, and her mother the same. When the exorcism occurred they felt at ease in their minds and that imagination demised as they felt 'comforted' by the exorcism against their imaginings.

    Please write any personal stories you have heard of and your critique of them and this is also a place to discuss the idea of exorcism. 
  • Re: Exorcisms - If in wrong place please move.
     Reply #1 - March 06, 2012, 03:36 PM

    I wonder...Have there ever been reported cases of irreligious atheists being 'possessed'?

    I think exorcism is a placebo, and possession is a psychosis fueled by belief in and fear of demons/spirits.

    Have you heard the good news? There is no God!
  • Re: Exorcisms - If in wrong place please move.
     Reply #2 - March 06, 2012, 03:47 PM

    Yup stuff. I don't think there has no.
  • Re: Exorcisms - If in wrong place please move.
     Reply #3 - March 06, 2012, 06:40 PM

    because of personal experiences, both as a religious nut case, and
    as an atheist, I dont believe in possession per se, but i do believe
    there is negative and positive energy that we dont yet understand.

    I am interested in scientific proof of said energies, whether they are
    intelligent or not, actual beings or something else. 

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Exorcisms - If in wrong place please move.
     Reply #4 - March 06, 2012, 06:59 PM

    Taken from http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=17205.msg484291#msg484291

    My in-laws took my wife to see a Mullah, she held 3 pieces of incense in he hands and he told her to close her eyes, he then started to recite something and one stick broke and then he started to talk to my wife, she replied to him in a different voice and he started hitting her with a cane to identify herself, the supposed Jinn was supposedly sent by my wife's ex- mother-in-law, he then went on reading and beating my wife till the jinn had left her body. My wife says she felt nothing etc and does not know what happened.

    For me I think she was in a state where her mind was telling her to believe what she was hearing ( I know there is a term for it but I forget ).

    So, Yes, this type of voodoo shit goes on in all cultures and all over the world.

    Just remembered, The Placebo Effect

    Btw, my wife still believes in Jinns and shit, even believes she can here them, I just told her since I stopped believing in that shit I had no mo nightmares of shit holding me down while I am sleeping.

  • Re: Exorcisms - If in wrong place please move.
     Reply #5 - March 06, 2012, 07:02 PM

    I wonder...Have there ever been reported cases of irreligious atheists being 'possessed'?

    I think exorcism is a placebo, and possession is a psychosis fueled by belief in and fear of demons/spirits.



    I've had personal experience of being 'possessed', and I'm inclined to agree. Also disowning aspects of yourself (anger and hostility for instance) isn't healthy for the psyche, and can cause 'quasi-splits'/disassociation - "I don't know what happened, I just went crazy!".

    Also based on personal experiences I do believe in the validity of energy medicine (though not all and every claim), based on personal experiences. So I'm with Jinn - I believe in 'positive and negative energy', and I'm interested in research regarding energy medicine.

    Jinn and I seem to be the resident hippies, lol.
  • Re: Exorcisms - If in wrong place please move.
     Reply #6 - October 28, 2012, 02:38 PM

      ohmy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tC55sf-Wt8

    oh boy.. i wonder how many of these videos were sold.. 
  • Re: Exorcisms - If in wrong place please move.
     Reply #7 - October 28, 2012, 02:52 PM

      ohmy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tC55sf-Wt8

    oh boy.. i wonder how many of these videos were sold.. 

     
    Hmm This thread is good for that guy   Arman.. he needs it.,  he need to buy those tapes..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Exorcisms - If in wrong place please move.
     Reply #8 - October 28, 2012, 02:57 PM

    I've had personal experience of being 'possessed', and I'm inclined to agree. Also disowning aspects of yourself (anger and hostility for instance) isn't healthy for the psyche, and can cause 'quasi-splits'/disassociation - "I don't know what happened, I just went crazy!".

    Also based on personal experiences I do believe in the validity of energy medicine (though not all and every claim), based on personal experiences. So I'm with Jinn - I believe in 'positive and negative energy', and I'm interested in research regarding energy medicine.

    Jinn and I seem to be the resident hippies, lol.


    I would refrain from using words like "negative and positive energy". Sounds like woowoo talk to me. Often used by people the likes of Deepak Chopra and other new age faith healers.

    The scientific definition of energy is "an indirectly observed quantity that is often understood as the ability of a physical system to do work on other physical systems." (Wikipedia).

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Exorcisms - If in wrong place please move.
     Reply #9 - October 28, 2012, 03:11 PM

    I've had personal experience of being 'possessed',.........

    how old were you strangestdude..

    Quote
    Jinn and I seem to be the resident hippies, lol.


    you can insult Jinn and yourself but don't club hippies in to your group strangestdude


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKYH3-NmSmE

    Oh boy.. sure with those girls taking  exorcism out of you .. sure there are jinns all over around them..

    well on that video let us read Exorcism in the Quran and Sunnah

    Quote
    The following verse of the Quran compares the state of sinners on the Day of Judgment to the state of those made insane by the Devil:
    275. Those who eat Riba (usury) will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaitan (Satan) leading him to insanity...
    (Translation of The Meaning of the Quran, Surah Al-Baqarah 2:275)

    Islamic scholars such as Al-Qurtabi cite this verse as proof against those who deny the possession by Jinn, or ascribe it to natural causes, as well as those who claim that the Devil (Shaitan) does not enter humans nor does he touch them. There are also narrations that the Prophet Muhammad and his followers expelled evil beings from the bodies of believers using verses from the Quran, supplications to Allah, and holy Zamzam water. This example is related by Ya'la ibn Murah:

    I saw Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) do three things which no one before or after me saw. I went with him on a trip. On the way, we passed by a woman sitting at the roadside with a young boy. She called out, 'O Messenger of Allah, this boy is afflicted with a trial, and from him we have also been afflicted with a trial. I don't know how many times per day he is seized by fits.' He (peace be upon him) said: 'Give him to me.' So she lifted him up to the Prophet.

    He (peace be upon him) then placed the boy between himself and the middle of the saddle, opened the boy's mouth and blew in it three times, saying, 'In the name of Allah, I am the slave of Allah, get out, enemy of Allah!' Then he gave the boy back to her and said: 'Meet us on our return at this same place and inform us how he has fared.' We then went. On our return, we found her in the same place with three sheep. When he said to her, 'How has your son fared?' She replied: 'By the One who sent you with the truth, we have not detected anything (unusual) in his behavior up to this time... (Musnad Ahmad (vol: 4, p. 170), and al-Haakim, who declared it authentic)
    Islam and psychiatry
    Narrated 'Ata bin Abi Rabah:

    Ibn 'Abbas said to me, "Shall I show you a woman of the people of Paradise?" I said, "Yes." He said, "This black lady came to the Prophet and said, 'I get attacks of epilepsy and my body becomes uncovered; please invoke Allah for me.' The Prophet said (to her), 'If you wish, be patient and you will have (enter) Paradise; and if you wish, I will invoke Allah to cure you.' She said, 'I will remain patient,' and added, 'but I become uncovered, so please invoke Allah for me that I may not become uncovered.' So he invoked Allah for her."

    [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 70, Number 555]

    The prophet didn't attempt to help her through exorcism, he prayed for her, this means that Islam recognizes psychiatrist illnesses and there is a distinction between them and possession, good Muslim exorcists are able to distinguish between them and refer patients to psychiatrists rather than attempting to perform exorcism.

    well they are all direct import from earlier paganism/ middle age  Christianity ..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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