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  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     OP - January 23, 2014, 08:24 PM

    Thousands of Malaysians are backing a campaign for the release of a Muslim couple after they were arrested in Sweden for allegedly smacking their 12-year-old son’s hand when he refused to pray.


    Azizul Raheem Awalludin, who is the Stockholm director of the Malaysian tourist board, has been on remand for over a month with his teacher wife Shalwati Nurshal, and anger back home has erupted over both their detainment without charge, and that their four children were placed with non-Muslim foster parents.


    A Facebook page, Bring Shal and Family Home, has amassed more than 14,000 followers in five days as the Malaysian media reports that the oldest child, Aisyah, is uncomfortable about living in a house where non-halal food is served and a dog is kept.


    “Although they do not feed us non-halal food, we share the crockery and utensils used for non-halal food,” she said.


    “We have to fend for ourselves. Every day we have to take the public transport such as the bus or train in cold weather. We don’t have enough warm clothing.”

    The teenager also complained about the Swedish authorities stopping the children from seeing relatives who had flown into look after them.

    The detained couple have requested the Swedish Social Services to let their children be temporarily cared for by a Muslim family at the Malaysian embassy in Sweden until their case is resolved, according to Free Malaysia Today newspaper.

    Rohani Abdul Karim, Malaysia’s Minister for Families told Malaysian media that the Government was doing all it could to resolve the case through diplomatic channels: “We believe there was no child abuse involved.”

    “It was probably a misunderstanding about the parents educating their children religiously and instilling good Muslim values in them from a young age.”

    Swedish authorities, who were alerted about the incident by the boy’s school, are continuing to investigate the parents.

    Sweden has strict laws banning all physical punishment of children, and many internet users have questioned how the family were ignorant of these protection laws – when it is believed they had lived in the country three years.

    Sweden’s laws has surprised many in Malaysia though, where parents smacking their children is widely accepted as normal.

    Philip Golingai, a columnist in the Kuala Lumpur newspaper The Star, reminisced about being beaten by the rotan, a cane, during his childhood in the 1980s: “Some of my schoolmates had it worse. Their parents hit them with broomsticks, feather dusters, clothes hangers, belts and irons.”


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/10592799/Muslim-couple-arrested-in-Sweden-for-smacking-son-when-he-refused-to-pray.html

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  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #1 - January 23, 2014, 08:30 PM

    Hmmm, a light painless smack may well be justified if a child keeps sticking his finger in the plug socket or grabbing saucepans off a hot stove or pushing his sibling into the road etc, but for not wanting to pray???

    I think the couple should be released, but they need to think hard about their attitude.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

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  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #2 - January 23, 2014, 09:49 PM

    It's sad that such an issue is being made of the foster family.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #3 - January 23, 2014, 09:59 PM

    As a parent, no. Absolutely not. There is no need to smack anything, anyone, anytime. I have raised my daughter without smacking or beating and she is very well-behaved, intelligent and well-manered child. More so than most children her age, especially those who are spanked and beaten by their parents. Perhaps foster parents was over the top if it was ONLY  one light smack on the hand that one time, but considering it was due to the child not wanting to pray, I take it a bit more seriously. You beat your child because it doesn't want to practice YOUR religious beliefs?This is Sweden, and when in Sweden you should be wise enough to follow the laws of the country.

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  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #4 - January 23, 2014, 10:24 PM

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    “Although they do not feed us non-halal food, we share the crockery and utensils used for non-halal food,” she said.

    Poor brainwashed darling.
  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #5 - January 23, 2014, 10:27 PM

    Yup.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #6 - January 24, 2014, 09:53 AM

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    a dog


    Their pet is probably lovely and would teach the child a huge amount about empathy.  It is very interesting that the parents are remanded to jail.  That sounds like the slap was the straw that broke the camel's back.

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  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #7 - January 24, 2014, 10:40 AM

    This news is simply wierd on both sides . Parents arrested due to smacking a kids hand ? Thats harsh . Kids complaining about foster family sharing same utensils and their dog which i did not read anything about the dog attacking or scaring them . Poor indoctrined kids .
  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #8 - January 24, 2014, 11:41 AM

    I can guarantee you that parents are not held in custody in Sweden for smacking a child's hand lightly. I know of parents who haven't been held in custody while beeing far more violent or abusive towards their children. Of course, if crime has been proven in court, they will recieve their punishment according to Swedish law. But there is probably far more to this story than is told in this article.

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  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #9 - January 24, 2014, 05:11 PM

     Muslim countries impose their Islamic laws on foreign non-Muslims. By that standard, Swedish have the right to apply their own laws on Muslims living in Sweden.

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  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #10 - January 24, 2014, 11:39 PM

    This is quite common practice in Sweden. If the kids report abuse then they are taken away. I guess the Malaysian community is so few they didn't understand the consequences or belittled it. I thought it was weird that it was global news, but it has probably to do with the Malaysians back home protesting in the thousands.
  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #11 - January 26, 2014, 08:01 AM

    the oldest child, Aisyah, is uncomfortable about living in a house where non-halal food is served and a dog is kept.

    *gasps* How dare they!!!

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    “It was probably a misunderstanding about the parents educating their children religiously and instilling good Muslim values in them from a young age.”

    Fucking scum Smiley

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  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #12 - January 28, 2014, 09:12 PM

    As a parent, no. Absolutely not. There is no need to smack anything, anyone, anytime. I have raised my daughter without smacking or beating and she is very well-behaved, intelligent and well-manered child. More so than most children her age, especially those who are spanked and beaten by their parents. Perhaps foster parents was over the top if it was ONLY  one light smack on the hand that one time, but considering it was due to the child not wanting to pray, I take it a bit more seriously. You beat your child because it doesn't want to practice YOUR religious beliefs?This is Sweden, and when in Sweden you should be wise enough to follow the laws of the country.


    Agreed.

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

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  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #13 - April 03, 2014, 01:29 PM

    Both parents were sentenced to prison.
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    In Malaysia smacking a child is not against the law and caning is still used in the classroom. By contrast, Sweden was the first country in the world to impose a ban on corporal punishment back in 1979.

    "These cases are so extremely rare in Sweden today... this is much more severe than what we're used to," child abuse expert Staffan Janson told AFP.

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  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #14 - April 03, 2014, 03:10 PM

    In other Swedish news...

    http://www.thelocal.se/20140331/bestiality-now-illegal-in-sweden

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #15 - April 03, 2014, 04:27 PM


    Yeah, I heard they would pass that law. First pot, now this...  Cry
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VKWLC87Uzw

    Ps. We're still technically not off topic, right?
  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #16 - April 03, 2014, 04:30 PM

    I thought with pot they were just trying to stop non-Swedes from enjoying it?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #17 - April 03, 2014, 06:29 PM

    I think people from muslim families especially from asia and the middle east are kind of used to being punished physically so they don't think of it as abuse.

    I mean at that age you think of your parents as morally perfect so you can't even comprehend the fact that what they are doing to you is wrong. Which just makes it even worse.

    My parents haven't beat me as far as I can remember although there was that one time in grade school when my mom pointed a knife at me and threatened to stab me with it while she was yelling at me for something I can't remember.

    If i recall correctly she was stressed about something but even in my most stressful/angry moments I would never threaten to hurt a child let alone with a knife.


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  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #18 - April 03, 2014, 06:41 PM

    Think of all the horror stories caused by global  religious intolerance we read  day in day out then consider the  terrible acts being inflicted upon this poor family by the world renowned Swedish sadistic ,fascist regime.

    Seriously,some people need to get over their victim-hood mentality.

    Non-Muslim shared utensils. Really??

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #19 - October 04, 2014, 05:58 AM

    Apparently Malaysia took notice:

    Should a teacher convicted of child abuse rejoin the profession? Academic, parent group asks

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    KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 3 — The Education Ministry should review Shalwati Norshal’s eligibility to re-enter the teaching profession now that she has a criminal record for child abuse in Sweden, an academic and parent group said.

    National Professors Council (MPN) member Professor Datuk Abdul Halim Sidek said this is in accordance with the Rules for Public Workers (conduct and discipline) (1993), the code of conduct for federal civil servants.

    “By right, if any civil servant is found to be guilty of a crime, then the authorities must suspend their service… and the rules are clear under the ministry.

    “Unless there are genuine considerable circumstances,” he told the Malay Mail Online.

    Abdul Halim said that Putrajaya’s disciplinary board must convene a procedural meeting to discuss Shalwati’s eligibility before the mother of four resumes her job as an educator.

    “My concern is this. Are we going to give her a let off or are we going to enforce the law against her and her husband? If not, this is would seem as if there are double standards. Where is justice?” he asked.

    Abdul Halim pointed out that the Swedish judiciary, when sentencing Shalwati and her husband, also a civil servant, to jail for child abuse earlier this year, had done so in accordance with the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC), in which Malaysia is also signatory.

    “Therefore, we must also abide by it in the interest of the students,” he said.

    On March 29, Shalwati and her Tourism Malaysia officer husband Azizul Raheem were sentenced by a Swedish court to imprisonment for hitting their four children during their stay in the country from September 2010.

    Azizul was released on July 9 after a three-month jail sentence in Sweden. Shalwati, a teacher on unpaid leave, was sentenced to 14 months’ jail.

    The couple’s sentences were reduced, however, and both were ordered to serve out a mere one-third of their jail terms.

    Shalwati, who was freed from the Hinseberg Prison in Frovi, Sweden, arrived at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) on Wednesday.

    Bernama reported Shalwati as saying that she was looking forward to begin teaching again, this time at Sekolah Seri Puteri in Cyberjaya.

    Upon her return, the mother of four told Malay daily Kosmo that she does not regret hitting her children as she had merely done so to educate them.

    Parent Action Group for Education (PAGE) chairman Datin Noor Azimah Abdul Rahim also echoed Abdul Halim’s sentiment, and advised the ministry to reconsider Shalwati’s application before allowing her back into the teaching field.

    “There must be some proper process of reconsideration in her case and not be given an automatic admission,” she told Malay Mail Online.

    Noor Azimah said, however, that although Shalwati’s past actions were unacceptable, she should not be entirely shunned from resuming her duties as an educator.

    “Do what should be done under the regulations first. Of course she need not be punished anymore, but necessary steps need to be taken to confirm that she is able to teach,” Noor Azimah said.

    National Union of the Teaching Profession Malaysia (NUTP) president Hashim Adnan however, disagreed with the call to review Shalwati’s eligibility.

    Stepping up to the woman’s defence, Hashim said that would be unfair to judge Shalwati as though she “bludgeoned someone to death”.

    “She only tried to educate her kids in a country which has laws prohibiting beating one’s children.

    “She was in a wrong place, at a wrong time and this could have happened to anyone of us,” Hashim said when contacted.

    He also called for all parties to allow Shalwati to be given a second chance to live in the community.

    “We should be moderate in this matter.

    “We must also remember that we are Asians and our culture is different. It is something that the westerners do not subscribe to, and I mean the way in which we educate our children.

    I am sure many parents do cane their children to discipline them. Not to abuse of course, but to merely teach them and Shalwati is no different. She is also a parent who wants the best for her children,” he added.


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  • Malaysian couple arrested in Sweden for smacking their child for not praying
     Reply #20 - October 04, 2014, 08:11 AM

    All I can say is: BARBARIC.

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