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OP - March 04, 2013, 09:34 PM

This is the official HR Council Report on Human Rights situation in Islamic republic of Iran and under section H - where it covers religious minorities - the Atheists have been completely dropped off the list...

http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session22/A-HRC-22-56_en.pdf

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Reply #1 - March 04, 2013, 10:02 PM

That's a big doc... can you elaborate on it a bit:

Who authored it?
Who is it directed at?
Did it include atheists before?

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Reply #2 - March 04, 2013, 11:54 PM

It's an “Advance Unedited Version” of an official document from the United Nations Human Rights Council ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council ), which seems to be for internal use, more precisely a communication from people inside Iran or working especially on Iran to people higher in the hierarchy who do not focus specifically on Iran.
I have a friend who did an internship there, and who's job was to help write this kind of report if I understood well. I can maybe ask her details if you want.
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Reply #3 - March 04, 2013, 11:57 PM

Oh I want to learn more about living in Iran. Tell me Tell.

I was on a friends page who was celebrating the Islamic revolution where the Shah, puppets of the American government were thrown out, and people celebrating their 30 something years of Islamic rule and they were eager for the same thing to happen to Egypt. Made me throw up in my mouth a little. I mean I don't support America butting into other countries business, but seriously Ahmadinejad and his cronies need to go before Iran can grow.

On the other hand I heard that even though Iran is ruled by Islamic theocracy, every day life 'feels' secular so long as you mind your own business.

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Reply #4 - March 05, 2013, 11:51 PM

Oh, there was a misunderstanding here. My friend had an internship at the UNHRC. She is Korean, and have never been in Iran. She was working on the South America section.
But I've been there twice, and I have Iranian friends that lived there most of their life .
Ahmadinejad, as a president, is actually mostly a straw man for the supreme leader, currently Ali Khamenei. Here, you can get a diagram which gives a good outlook at how the system works : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iran_gov_power_structure.svg . The important part here is the the doted arrow . And it's true that society is much much more progressive there than in, say, Irak, Afghanistan, Pakistan, …
Is your facebook friend Iranian ? I wouldn't surprised if it wasn't the case. If he is, just troll him on how Islam is an Arab religion and everyone in the current government is not really Iranian but Arabs in disguise, can be pretty fun .
Else, mention how Mossadegh was the only democratic elected guy in Iran.
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Reply #5 - March 07, 2013, 08:25 PM

Quote from: allat on March 04, 2013, 10:02 PM
That's a big doc... can you elaborate on it a bit:

Who authored it?
Who is it directed at?
Did it include atheists before?

Hello Allat et. al,

Its authored by Ahmed Shaeed

http://www.shaheedoniran.org/english/about-dr-shaheed.html

who is the official Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in Islamic republic of Iran.

same report here :
http://www.shaheedoniran.org/english/dr-shaheeds-work/latest-reports/3135-special-rapporteurs-february-2013-report-on-the-situation-of-human-rights-in-the-islamic-republic-of-iran.html

I don't know if the atheists were mentioned on previous reports he submitted (there haven't been so many so its quiet verifiable) but regardless of this my point was that he needs to look deeper into the status of atheists in Iran. the fact is they are there - either already killed or silenced fearing to be killed. the report doesn't even mention they exist and its not fare because it mentions Christians and everyone else.

I will send him an email and ask him to explain. Lets see what he comes back with ...

It is directed to UNHRC btw.

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Reply #6 - March 07, 2013, 08:34 PM

Jesus christ there seem to be alot of Bahai's in prison .

In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
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Reply #7 - March 07, 2013, 08:42 PM

Bahais cop a lot of shit in Iran. The mullahs are a grumpy lot.

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Reply #8 - March 07, 2013, 09:31 PM

send them this :

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Dear Dr. Shaheed,

I am an Atheist from Iran currently living in United Kingdom, I read the section H of your report

http://www.shaheedoniran.org/english/dr-shaheeds-work/latest-reports/3135-special-rapporteurs-february-2013-report-on-the-situation-of-human-rights-in-the-islamic-republic-of-iran.html

Covering discrimination against religious minorities. I know for certain there are people with no religious affiliation or believe in god currently in Iran who face the same limitations as other religious minorities which was researched and covered however to my surprise I couldn't find any reference to Iranian Atheists in this report.

Is there any specific reason for this.

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Sandbad

lets see if someone gets back to it

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Reply #9 - March 07, 2013, 09:57 PM

Quote from: osmanthus on March 07, 2013, 08:42 PM
Bahais cop a lot of shit in Iran. The mullahs are a grumpy lot.

I'm ignorant about the Bahai situation in Iran so what do you mean by "cop alot of shit"

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Reply #10 - March 08, 2013, 12:08 AM

Basically, the IRI recognize 4 official religions : Islam (no kidding !), Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrism. Others religions are not allowed. And since Bahais are considered apostate, they have an even worse treatment. They are accused of being “evil Zionists” because their sanctuaries are in Israel (even though they were there long before Israel was created, never mind the incoherences), are barred from entering university, and can basically get absolutely no police protection if some people want to do some pogrom. Good thing there are not so many Iranians who wants to make pogroms.
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Reply #11 - March 08, 2013, 01:18 AM

^

yeah thankfully the vast majority of Iranian citizens are educated, liberal minded and humane.

Basically the complete opposite of the majority of people in Pakistan. The religious minorities have it alot tougher down there. Even if the government stops persecuting the minorities the citizens definitely wont stop with the bullying.

Other than North Korea and KSA where religious minorities are persecuted as extremely as in Pakistan.

Hopefully the Iranians will overthrow the theocracy sometime in the near future.

In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
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