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 Topic: Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?

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  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     OP - April 02, 2013, 03:37 PM
    Muslims appear to be incredibly impressed by the likes of Hamza Tzortzis and Zakir Naik, but I can never tell if it is genuine. It is hard to believe, and I would like to give them a lie detector test.
    Surely they must be able to tell they these idiots are exactly that - idiots.
    surely?
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #1 - April 02, 2013, 04:04 PM
    Zakir Naik impressed me, not because of his actual arguments, but rather his memory and respect. I just blindly accepted his arguments because it conformed to my beliefs. He doesn't impress me anymore.

    Hamza Tzortzis has impressed me and still continues to impress me. I respect and admire his character a lot. Judging from the way he talks, he has a patient and polite tone, and is always motivated towards having a civil discussion. Other than that, his ideas are bogus.

    I wouldn't call them idiots though.
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #2 - April 02, 2013, 05:00 PM
    don't you think Tzortzis's 'polite tone' is simply a deliberate and passive aggressive way of appearing to have the moral high ground? Everything iERA do is in front of a camera. I don't think it really means much that they try to present themselves as civilised,, other than that they really care about their image.

    He was polite enough during the Krauss debate, but he still called him "intellectually dishonest" etc afterwards (a polite way of calling him a liar).

  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #3 - April 02, 2013, 06:49 PM
    Quote
    surely?


    IDK, I was completely mesmerised by certain speakers and even wanted to marry a guy like them -.-'
    Now, not so much!


    Quote
    ...passive aggressive?

    Yes, that exactly.
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #4 - April 02, 2013, 06:59 PM
    No, I think he is genuinely polite. He consistently displays good character, and that, I think, is worthy of respect. But yeah, the parts in the debate where he said that Krauss rationalizes incest was clearly a huge misrepresentation.
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #5 - April 02, 2013, 11:27 PM
    Quote from: kutta on April 02, 2013, 04:04 PM
    Hamza Tzortzis has impressed me and still continues to impress me. I respect and admire his character a lot. Judging from the way he talks, he has a patient and polite tone, and is always motivated towards having a civil discussion. Other than that, his ideas are bogus.



    Car salesmen are some of the most polite people you will ever meet. And that is what he is.
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #6 - April 02, 2013, 11:35 PM
    Quote from: kutta on April 02, 2013, 04:04 PM

    Hamza Tzortzis has impressed me and still continues to impress me. I respect and admire his character a lot. Judging from the way he talks, he has a patient and polite tone, and is always motivated towards having a civil discussion. Other than that, his ideas are bogus.

    I wouldn't call them idiots though.


    ROFLOL
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #7 - April 02, 2013, 11:38 PM
    ^I assume he is being sacrcastic, no?
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #8 - April 02, 2013, 11:41 PM
    Yeah I reckon
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #9 - April 03, 2013, 10:22 AM
    Quote from: kutta on April 02, 2013, 06:59 PM
    No, I think he is genuinely polite. He consistently displays good character, and that, I think, is worthy of respect. But yeah, the parts in the debate where he said that Krauss rationalizes incest was clearly a huge misrepresentation.


    Aham like that time when he accused prof Hoodbhoy for hating Islam and Islamic society,

    Hamza deserves no respect at all, he is a plagiarist, a homophobe and definitely dishonest
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #10 - April 03, 2013, 01:53 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on April 02, 2013, 11:38 PM
    ^I assume he is being sacrcastic, no?

     Wink  Cheesy

    BUT you guys have to admit that he is a better debater than Krauss.
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #11 - April 03, 2013, 01:59 PM
    it depends what you mean. Better at obfuscating? sure. Better at sophistry?  I guess. Better at telling ignorant people what they already believe? yeah.

  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #12 - April 03, 2013, 02:10 PM
    Yeah. I have to agree with that. The biggest mistake Hamza made was when he attempted to interpret what Krauss says about the energy of empty space in his own book. The biggest mistake Krauss made was when he made moral judgments throughout the debate over and over again.
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #13 - April 03, 2013, 02:44 PM
    Quote from: kutta on April 03, 2013, 01:53 PM
    Wink  Cheesy

    BUT you guys have to admit that he is a better debater than Krauss.


    But Hitler had cute moustache and owned a dog.

  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #14 - April 03, 2013, 04:32 PM
    Quote from: kutta on April 03, 2013, 01:53 PM
    Wink  Cheesy

    BUT you guys have to admit that he is a better debater than Krauss.


    Krauss is a grade A terrible speaker/debater, and always has been when he discusses anything outside of science.


    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #15 - April 03, 2013, 06:53 PM
    I don't think Hamza is a good debater at all. I think Muslims are impressed with him. He uses big words to dress up his crap arguments and this impresses muslims in the audience. As I told him on Twitter I think his arguments are crap rolled in glitter. It may look sparkly at first but it sure smells like shit. Every time he asks for a "nuanced debate" he pretty much is trying to direct the opponent away from not bashing him over the head with the obvious bollocks Hamza is promoting. You cant get fuckin "nuanced" about staffs turning into snakes, banging your captive sex slaves, beheading apostates, Mohammad flying around on a winged donkey, claiming that the human species were created from the miraculous creation of Adam and Hawa and the incest of their children, Noah and the Ark and all the rest of the rubbish that he claims as facts and truth.

    The only thing impressive about Zakir Naik is his memory and how he can quote verses from the Quran and give the chapter and verse number. But really is that all that impressive? Reminds me of Jack Van Impe the evangelist on TV who does the same thing with the Bible. Who cares if they can tell you the chapter and verse number because you can Google that shit anyway.
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    There's such a thing as sheep in wolfs clothing... religious fanatics
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #16 - April 03, 2013, 08:56 PM


    He's a laughable oaf, a mixture of a sinister thug and a comical buffoon. He's a hero to Muslims with low self esteem who see him gesticulating and waving his arms around in front of people of real intellect and achievement and see in that hysteria a consummation of their every desperate flailing in front of modernity.

    He has said in relation to ex-Muslims that 'beheading is painless' and fronts a truly morally repulsive da'wah organisation that is far-right, primitive in its social attitudes, and vile in its beliefs.

    Look at this ranting, hysterical demagogue - look at the furies, the fascistic hysteria of it all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5JdyYEyWk0

    Anyone who is impressed in any way by this unctuous man can be measured by that as suffering from a moral failing.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #17 - April 03, 2013, 10:04 PM
    As a muslim, i was genuinely impressed by Zakir Naik, especially after watching his debate with William Campbell. But now he sounds like a complete retard.
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #18 - April 04, 2013, 04:13 AM
    Quote from: billy on April 03, 2013, 08:56 PM

    He's a laughable oaf, a mixture of a sinister thug and a comical buffoon. He's a hero to Muslims with low self esteem who see him gesticulating and waving his arms around in front of people of real intellect and achievement and see in that hysteria a consummation of their every desperate flailing in front of modernity.

    He has said in relation to ex-Muslims that 'beheading is painless' and fronts a truly morally repulsive da'wah organisation that is far-right, primitive in its social attitudes, and vile in its beliefs.

    Look at this ranting, hysterical demagogue - look at the furies, the fascistic hysteria of it all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5JdyYEyWk0

    Anyone who is impressed in any way by this unctuous man can be measured by that as suffering from a moral failing.



    Calling this video fascistic is a bit too much, don't you think?
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #19 - April 04, 2013, 04:39 AM
    So in that video he's very frantic, waving his arms and yelling. But what does he want from the people? Wake up and then what? Deny science even more than they do? I don't get what they mean when they say "WAKE UP!!!". I've been yelled at to wake up all my Islamic school years.

    On a better note, I like how he doesn't care about buildings. Religion institutions should send their building money to the poor <_<!
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #20 - April 04, 2013, 09:59 AM
    Quote
    So in that video he's very frantic, waving his arms and yelling. But what does he want from the people? Wake up and then what? Deny science even more than they do? I don't get what they mean when they say "WAKE UP!!!". I've been yelled at to wake up all my Islamic school years.


    The most backward Muslim societies are the ones that follow the shari'ah to a tee, the freest ones are those that have embraced secularism and ditched shari'ah. We've got terrorist groups all over the place, we're actively working to impose shari'ah everywhere where we're a majority, we've got dawahgandists the world over. You can hardly say the Muslim world is sleeping. What more do they expect the ummah to do? 
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #21 - April 04, 2013, 11:02 AM
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    What more do they expect the ummah to do?

    WAKE UP!!!!

    Lol couldn't help it Cheesy

    Khutbah about the Americans splitting Iraq into four smaller countries... WAKE UP he yells at us high school students sitting in an auditorium in a tiny town in Australia.

    Excuse me while I pack my army and ambassadors to save Iraq?  wacko
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #22 - April 06, 2013, 05:10 AM
    I read this and thought you were talking about actual monkeys... and I was disappointed it was only Hamza and Zakir :/ I was about to be impressed
    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #23 - April 08, 2013, 12:42 PM
    sorry he's polite? the guy was overtly churlish towards Hoodbhoy and Krauss, 2 Academics with credentials a psychology undergraduate like Hamza could only dream of. He's been petulant and discourteous with both during the debates, then afterwards he begs for forgiveness(with krauss at the end at Hoodbhoy after)

    People who like Hamza and Zakir are people who are impressed by showmanship and glib orators playing up to the crowd.
  • Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?
     Reply #24 - April 08, 2013, 03:57 PM
    Question:  Did dawah monkeys impress you as a Muslim?

    Answer:  No.... But this one does impress me in fact it is much better than  dawah monkeys., at least  It is  working and helping his owner unlike dawah monkeys
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzF2QGUoDjE

    Hmm Britain’s welfare state under threat writes   Irfan Husain  and he says

    Quote
    ..............The idea behind the plot was to blame Philpott’s lover for starting the fire, and once she was arrested, take custody of her children. Philpott had fathered 17 children, and collected benefits for them. According to some reports, he raked in a total of over 50,000 pounds annually, and had not worked in years.

    After he had been found guilty of manslaughter and sentenced to life imprisonment, the right-wing media had a field day, accusing the welfare state of encouraging such behaviour.

    The Times has called for child benefits to be limited to two kids per family. If this reform is carried out – and it seems to have widespread support — it would badly affect Muslims who tend to have large families...............

    well sure that Anjum monkey of London has to learn to dance to  make some money for his bread and butter..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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