Skip navigation
Sidebar -

Advanced search options →

Welcome

Welcome to CEMB forum.
Please login or register. Did you miss your activation email?

Donations

Help keep the Forum going!
Click on Kitty to donate:

Kitty is lost

Recent Posts


ركن المتحدثين هايد بارك ل...
by akay
Today at 09:15 AM

Marcion and the introduct...
by zeca
Yesterday at 11:34 PM

Do humans have needed kno...
November 04, 2025, 12:04 PM

Ex-Muslims on Mythvision ...
by zeca
November 02, 2025, 07:58 PM

Lights on the way
by akay
November 02, 2025, 09:14 AM

Qur'anic studies today
by zeca
October 23, 2025, 06:54 PM

اضواء على الطريق ....... ...
by akay
October 23, 2025, 01:36 PM

New Britain
October 21, 2025, 01:10 PM

Random Islamic History Po...
by zeca
October 07, 2025, 09:50 AM

What's happened to the fo...
October 06, 2025, 11:58 AM

Kashmir endgame
October 04, 2025, 10:05 PM

الحبيب من يشبه اكثر؟؟؟
by akay
September 24, 2025, 11:55 AM

Theme Changer

 Topic: My De-conversion

 (Read 3291 times)
  • 1« Previous thread | Next thread »
  • My De-conversion
     OP - December 06, 2013, 12:31 PM

    After being on this forum for almost a year. I have come to realize that I have yet to post much about how and why I de-converted from Islam. I also just want to link people to this for now if they ask why I left. To endlessly explain my reasons for my apostasy to friends is getting quite dull, but anyway let us begin.

    I come from a lax muslim family. My father is Palestinian Arab, and my mother American. I was born on May, 6 1994. remembering my childhood is kind of hazy, but I do remember going to the mosque a few times in my early childhood. I also remember celebrating both Eids every year. My most fond memory of it was that my parents would buy candy the night before, then they would put candy everywhere in our house. My mom would tell me the angels were doing it. I know others were claim that they were abused. The only such abuse I ever had was being told about Hellfire (which I still get nightmares from). Though I will need say my parents did, only because if I were to claim this, then it would diminish others real abuse. So all I'm going to say about my childhood and my thoughts toward my parents is that, I really had a good childhood and I don't have much to complain about.
    I remember after september 11th happened my parents started to put american flags all over the lawn and my parents started to homeschool us because my eldest brother use to get bullied at school for having the name Mohammad. This would only be for a year though because it was getting better at are school.
    I'm just going to skip to up to my high school for this part.
    I remember politics was a big thing in my parents life. My brother's and my parents would talk often about Palestine. The thing is, I really didn't know much about the history, but I wanted to be part of the conversation. So I started by watching documentaries, and then by reading books by historians because I wanted more information (Ilan Pappe, Norman Finklestein, etc.). So the reason I put this part in is because this is when I started to do proper research on subject matters I wanted to know about.
    So It was about 15 I started to embrace my Islamic background now. Islam was more part of the wallpaper in my early life. So I started praying more, I would constantly do Dua (Mainly because I was a really lonely person), I would fast all 30 days of ramadan, etc. Regardless of this I always thought I had a problem because I would look at other guys and be jealous that they would have girlfriends(as I said before I was lonely). Eventually I got a girlfriend in my junior year of high school (which I hid from my parents). We dated for about 11 months. The thing is I got to a point where I thought if anything good happened to me it was because God gave it to me. I never thought I achieved anything for myself. So eventually I got my heart broken by her. That was kind of the first little problem. If god rewarded me for everything then I just could not understand. So for the first time I asked for a Qu'ran from my parents. I wanted to kno what god would say about this. The thing is god seemed to say stuff like
    Quote
    Call on your Lord with humility and in private: for Allah loveth not those who trespass beyond bounds. 7:55

    So I just started having doubts for not having my questions answered that well. I really just started to notice the cracks now, I had an uncle who drinks, I know many muslim men that always would say remarks about what they would like to do to some girl (basically Zina), etc.
    I just started wondering if hell was just or not. Is eternal damnation ever justified for any crime? Is torture justified?
    I always remembered how my parents described it when I was child and It scared the shit out of me. My mind at this point was just going crazy, it was like there was 10 million thoughts running all at once, cognitive dissonance was bleeding through on one side of it. I remember when it happened I was scared. I didn't know what to do. At this point I actually contemplated suicide. My world was just being ripped apart before my eyes. So I read the Qu'ran once more for to see if I just misread it and I found I did. I noticed even more problems. The last problem that came last was pre destination.
    Quote
    As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur). 2:6-7

    I realized now that I can't warn people if they were going to hell and now this broke the "just" god myth to me. If god was a perfect being then he wouldn't make such a stupid thing like that, Especially if he is all knowing. I after this went from being a deist to becoming an atheist.
    It is now 2013 and I have been an ex-muslim since november of 2011. I do think I have conquered a lot of my own personal demons from doing this. It has allowed me to do things for myself and for the people I love instead of the god that was never there. I must say I have had an interesting life so far, but then again to quote the doctor
    Quote
    In 900 years of time and space I have never met someone not important


    So for anyone that has took the time to read my very dry writing style, then I applaud you because I think I have one of the most boring writing styles. Anyway this was summarized because I just realized it is getting way late over here so I felt I had to put it to a close finally. So if anyone wants post your thoughts

    Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you.

    Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.
    - George Carlin
  • My De-conversion
     Reply #1 - December 06, 2013, 12:49 PM

    Quote
    It is now 2013 and I have been an ex-muslim since november of 2013


    Well that part caught my eye. Fuck, you have to be the most liberal muslim I've ever come across.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • My De-conversion
     Reply #2 - December 06, 2013, 01:08 PM

    Well that part caught my eye. Fuck, you have to be the most liberal muslim I've ever come across.


    Shit, thanks for pointing out the mistake Cheesy

    Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you.

    Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.
    - George Carlin
  • My De-conversion
     Reply #3 - January 06, 2014, 03:40 AM

    After being on this forum for almost a year...


    I am glad you reasoned this all out while young, thank you for walking me through the mental process. It is a logic train, really, and this is the most helpful way to present a story to others in those doubting stages before they come out of belief.
    Sometimes, when you go from belief to unbelief, it is nice to be able to look back and know you had really tried.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • My De-conversion
     Reply #4 - January 06, 2014, 07:33 AM

    I am glad you reasoned this all out while young, thank you for walking me through the mental process. It is a logic train, really, and this is the most helpful way to present a story to others in those doubting stages before they come out of belief.
    Sometimes, when you go from belief to unbelief, it is nice to be able to look back and know you had really tried.

    No problem Smiley
    It certainly was not an easy time for me, but when you hold a belief for a much shorter time it is easier to let go, kind of like if you have been waiting for a bus for two hours, you do not get up and walk. To be honest this story is very hard to write. This story is 100% accurate but, I feel to many things are omitted. I also just feel weird because I feel I left Islam long before the ending of this story. I think this story more reflects me dropping the emotions I had at the time. I remember watching the thinking atheist's videos and laughing about the silliness of christianity. I always hated religious conservatives (including hard-line/fundamentalist/salafi/etc.). I probably rationally left Islam before High school, but I emotionally left it in 2011.
    Btw, how did you stumble into this haha, I thought this thread was basically dead.

    Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you.

    Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.
    - George Carlin
  • My De-conversion
     Reply #5 - January 06, 2014, 03:13 PM

    This is how I stumbled onto it. I have become dependent on two buttons on the left, "show unread posts", and "replies to my own posts".
    So I am searching through the forum for something yesterday, using the forum button, and I find all these posts labeled "new", and that is how I found out my buttons on the left do not show me everything new.

    Maybe if you write out what was missing, it can help heal you. I would read it.
    I also left Islam gradually, and did not even realize how far away I was from my believing self until I took my scarf off without thinking. But I was in for a long time, and was deeply so.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • My De-conversion
     Reply #6 - January 06, 2014, 11:47 PM

    One day I will codify the whole experience, but that won't be for a while. This is just a synopsis, everybody has a story and it really could not be understood in this short story. I will hope to write it all one day though.

    Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you.

    Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.
    - George Carlin
  • My De-conversion
     Reply #7 - January 10, 2014, 06:34 AM

    Well see judging simply from whether hell is just or not doesn't seem like any type of concrete support as to why you left islam.
    See I don't want to seem like I am coming from a position of debate or arguement, but there is answers for such type of claims
    at the very least be aware of them so you know what to say if someone asks you about them. For the hell claim go into youtube

     /watch?v=idXVGnD4ro0
  • My De-conversion
     Reply #8 - January 10, 2014, 09:01 AM

    @TheModernMuslim : I agree. However, if a Being claims that He is the Most Merciful of those who show mercy, and then puts and predetermines people into Hell, you don't find this to be an obvious contradiction?
  • My De-conversion
     Reply #9 - January 12, 2014, 07:08 AM

    Well see judging simply from whether hell is just or not doesn't seem like any type of concrete support as to why you left islam.
    See I don't want to seem like I am coming from a position of debate or arguement, but there is answers for such type of claims
    at the very least be aware of them so you know what to say if someone asks you about them. For the hell claim go into youtube

     /watch?v=idXVGnD4ro0


    I disagree, the god of the Qu'ran is called all just, all merciful, and all compassionate. When I care about someone, I make sure I let them know what they should know. If Allah really does love me, then he should present himself to me first. Just so you understand as well, I left because of pre-destination. If you read this you would understand that. Also, why are you sending me video from Zakir Naik? He is just dishonest half the time.
    Here is just one example:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD_ciM0OV50

    Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you.

    Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.
    - George Carlin
  • My De-conversion
     Reply #10 - January 12, 2014, 07:50 AM

    Zakir Naik is a liar. He says a bunch or surahs really fast no one ever looks up, says mashallah and everyone claps.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • My De-conversion
     Reply #11 - January 12, 2014, 08:22 AM

    My friends call him a genius for reciting not only the quran verses but also verses of other books such as the bible , torah and vedas . Even i was impressed at the time until i realised the fact that he simply by heart learn a few lines of those books for the sole purpose of refuting the other religion or to make them look bad . Im sure if someone ask any question to him about bible,torah and the vedas on the spot then he wouldn't be able to answer them .
  • 1« Previous thread | Next thread »