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     Reply #30 - January 23, 2014, 01:26 PM

    Signed Smiley
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     Reply #31 - January 23, 2014, 01:49 PM

    Nick Clegg's handling of this situation, or lack of handling, is a reflection of how he would perform in the unlikely event that he ever becomes PM. Failure to handle a threat to his own party member does not bode well for how he would handle a threat to the nation. In fact, David Cameron should step up and speak up. Clearly his Deputy can't be trusted to handle this kind of thing.


    It seems sadly typical of the Lib Dems - their approach of being superficially conciliatory and hoping that the issue would disappear was exactly the wrong approach, but then these guys are no strangers to the fine art of political self-harm. Then again, it's probably just as well that he wasn't a Labour candidate, or the party leadership might have found other ways of throwing him to the dogs rather than lose standing in parts Northern (allegedly). The Conservatives might have been more immune, but they aren't particularly, well.. liberal.

    Maajid Nawaz deserves a better political party. Who they are, I don't know.

    On a slight tangent, the petition calling for Nawaz's (political) head on a spike was eviscerated rather well here, I thought.
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     Reply #32 - January 23, 2014, 05:58 PM

    Signed.
    Crying shame Maajid has been intimidated into 'regreting' tweet. Just a cynical scoring excercise by his critics and those  who fear the idea of freedom of expression in what I naively once thought to be a democratic, secular society.
    Apparently if muslim twitter sources are to be believed the opposition petition is wining over 3-1.
    Looks like the 'Pious' honour has been restored and victory for the would be intolerant oppressors. In terms of our civil liberties this is bad news and a dangerous step in the wrong direction
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     Reply #33 - January 23, 2014, 06:04 PM

    All it's doing is making muslims look bad.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #34 - January 23, 2014, 06:12 PM

    I'm really not a signer of petitions, but...
    if muslim twitter sources are to be believed the opposition petition is wining over 3-1.

    Signed.
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     Reply #35 - January 23, 2014, 06:20 PM

    Apparently if muslim twitter sources are to be believed the opposition petition is wining over 3-1.


    Sadly true. The radio program was actually quite interesting.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #36 - January 23, 2014, 08:09 PM

    And the issue it also huge enough for a radio program.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03qk9bv


    Why is this on the BBC Asian network? Isn't this an issue of British importance, instead of just "Asian"?

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
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     Reply #37 - January 23, 2014, 08:14 PM

    No, most Brits would be baffled and honestly not understand what the big deal is. Sad though it is, it's an Asian (muslim) issue.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #38 - January 24, 2014, 12:00 AM

    Nawaaz is a Brit though, isn't he?

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
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     Reply #39 - January 24, 2014, 12:51 AM

    Yes.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #40 - January 25, 2014, 11:52 AM

    It disgusts me this is even an issue.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25881508

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #41 - January 25, 2014, 12:13 PM

    Mohammed Shafiq is a wolf in snake's clothing.
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     Reply #42 - January 25, 2014, 12:29 PM

     Afro

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #43 - January 28, 2014, 09:17 PM

    The Illiberal Democrats

    By Amjad Khan  |  Published: January 27, 2014


    Amjad Khan is a Muslim writer and commentator

    Victories in the battle to defend free speech and expression from Islamist thugs and bullies have been rare in the last few years. Unfortunately, intimidation and death threats do work and can create a climate of fear in which even the bravest free speech advocates can be forced to retreat.

    It is for these reasons that Nick Clegg’s intervention into the recent controversy over an innocuous cartoon which involved Lib Dem candidate Maajid Nawaz should be savoured.

    In response to a petition calling for the Lib Dems to drop Maajid Nawaz as their PPC for Hampstead and Kilburn after he tweeted a cartoon depicting Jesus and Muhammad greeting each other whilst stating that he did not find it offensive, Clegg said:


    “We fundamentally believe in freedom of expression in an open, liberal and free society and therefore strongly defend Maajid’s right to express his views. Maajid was commenting on a recent BBC programme which covered this issue and wanted to make the point that as a Muslim he did not regard depiction of the Prophet Muhammad as being offensive.

    “It is my understanding that Maajid has made it clear that he therefore tweeted in order to contribute to a live debate rather than out of any intention to deliberately offend, and that his tweet reflects his genuinely and sincerely held religious views.”

    These are wise words from the party leader and, given the circumstances, highly appropriate. However, not all members of the Lib Dems have adopted Clegg’s position and defended liberalism.

    In fact, it would be fair to say that the Lib Dems have an illiberal faction that has not only failed to defend free speech and the right to mock religions, but refused to condemn a fellow party member, Mohammad Shafiq, who is responsible for seeking to incite a lynch mob against Maajid Nawaz for his innocuous tweet.

    Lib Dem peer, Meral Hussein Ece, states:


    “Im all for a mature ‘debate’ on any religion, but using a cartoon is unhelpful and trivial. This cartoon is part of a cartoon strip which depicts the Prophet Mohammed in bed with Jesus drinking beer. Clearly offensive to even the most moderate Muslims.”

    and


    “It’s open season right now for Muslims in the UK, just as its was for Jews in the 1930s/40s.”

    Ece’s comments are worrying because they pander to the notion that mainstream society, including liberal Muslims, should tailor their speech in order to cater for Muslim sensitivities over the depiction of Muhammad.

    In truth, those Muslims who are offended by such depictions and believe they have the right to dictate what others can and can’t say about their faith must get used to living in a free society where they are not given any special privileges.

    Her analogy with the persecution of Jewish people in Europe during the height of the Nazi campaign against them is also deeply troubling and completely inaccurate in ways I don’t need to elaborate upon.

    Ece also fails to condemn those behind a vicious and damaging campaign against Maajid Nawaz that appears to be led by Shafiq. This is in spite of Shafiq calling Maajid ‘Gustakh-e-Rasool’, which is a de-facto death sentence, and threatening to inform ‘Islamic countries’, which can only be interpreted as an attempt to whip up mass hysteria which, in the past, has resulted in violence and fatalities.

    Lib Dem member Lester Holloway sought to racialise the issue by stating:


    “White men say why can’t all Muslim’s be like this good Muslim we like?”

    Clearly Mr Holloway is stuck in a 1960s post-civil rights US time warp in which ‘white man’ is the villain of the piece. I’m surprised he didn’t go further to use the term ‘House Muslim’.

    Ece and Holloway are not only both members of the Lib Dems, they are also members of an organization called the ‘Ethnic Minorities Liberal Democrats’ (EMLD), which is chaired by Issan Ghazni. The EMLD have also issued a statement about the cartoon affair in which they state:


    “Contrary to the impression given by a recent BBC broadcast, EMLD are not calling for Maajid Nawaz to be de-selected as a PPC for tweeting a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammed and Jesus. Mohammed Shafiq spoke to the BBC in his capacity as a Ramadan Foundation representative. Sadly it is all too common for the media to get the ‘hats’ of commentators and pundits confused, or to mischievously apply the wrong one.”

    It seems due diligence is not an EMLD strong point, since Shafiq was introduced by the BBC as a representative of the EMLD rather than the Ramadhan Foundation, as the image below proves, even though the BBC got the name wrong.

    The EMLD statement goes on to state:


    “Liberalism is more than the right to offend. That is a narrow, shallow, interpretation. With free speech and Liberalism comes the responsibility to respect, to understand, and to be tolerant of faiths, difference and all cultures. This includes respect for those who speak out when they are offended. PPCs should be especially aware of this and should know better than to offend large sections of the population, whatever point they seek to make……..

    “Free speech does have its’ limits, however. For example, past comments from Lib Dem politicians that have been interpreted as anti-Semitic have led to strong sanctions against them. We believe in the Liberal values of equal treatment of all races, faiths and communities and, as such, believe that the perception amongst many Muslims that the negative public discourse has led to them being treated as ‘second class citizens’ must be urgently addressed by all Liberals.”

    You just couldn’t make it up. Yes free speech should be practiced responsibly, but is it really irresponsible for a Muslim to state that they are not offended by an innocuous cartoon? Is expressing your lack of offensive over a cartoon depicting Jesus and Muhammad being intolerant of faiths and cultures? Can tweeting a picture of a historical figure belonging to a universal and evangelic faith like Islam, be compared to anti-Semitism?

    And what does more to damage the image of Muslims and Islam – a moderate Muslims claiming he is not offended by a cartoon or a reactionary Muslim screaming blasphemy and inciting a lynch mob?

    But it gets worse.

    Lib Dem member Irfan Ahmed, who is an executive member of the Pendle branch of the Lib Dems, said:


    “I believe as a liberal it is important to allow debate and healthy debate, but what I don’t believe in practicing is attack or the mockery of a Prophet of any religion. Religion alongside ethnicity must always be respected and not mocked or attacked with petty cartoons.

    “I ask you to look back in recent history, can you remember when a Danish newspaper published a cartoon about the Prophet Muhammad? There was international uproar and a boycott of Danish products. By not suspending Maajid Nawaz and investigating this matter, does the party want voters to boycott the Lib Dems as they boycotted Danish products?”

    Putting aside the very poor sentence construction, Irfan, as a liberal, appears to be threatening the Lib Dems with a nationwide boycott, in which Britain’s two million Muslims will desert the part en mass. Also, as a liberal, he seems unable to distinguish between insulting an entire ethnic group and tweeting a comment about an innocuous cartoon drawn by someone else.

    Irfan’s preposterous comments should come as no surprise. In 2009 he was chastised by the party faithful for attacking the families of dead British soldiers and defended the practice of senior Asian men dictating how Asian women vote – see here.

    Ironically, this whole episode has done a great deal of damage to the image of Muslims and, once again, that damage was done by those claiming to be representing and protecting the interests of Islam. The cowardice and moral bankruptcy that characterises many western liberals, and their Islamist counterparts, feeds attempts by anti-Muslim elements to portray all Muslims as inherently reactionary and incapable of co-existing in liberal and secular societies.

    Sadly, an attempt to challenge lazy and dangerous anti-Muslim stereotypes has ended up reinforcing them.

    http://www.leftfootforward.org/2014/01/the-illiberal-democrats/#more-78863

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #44 - January 28, 2014, 09:32 PM

    This looks pretty scary, too:
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    Maajid Nawaz, the Liberal Democrat Prospective Parliamentary Candidate for Hampstead and Kilburn and Mohammed Shafiq, member of the Liberal Democrats, have released a joint statement:

    “We wish to make a statement about the recent concern expressed over issues related to conflicting views on depictions of Prophet Muhammad.

    “We recognise that, when it comes to this question, some Muslims of various persuasions may take different views. However, we also recognise that there are many Muslims who have taken offence, and we assert that images of the spiritual leaders of all religions should be deemed to be respectful. We also respect the freedom of every member of the Liberal Democrats on either side of this debate who feels offended by tone or language to make representations to the Liberal Democrats as is their democratic right.

    “We are both Liberals and support the principle of freedom of speech. But we also understand the importance of respect for others’ views and of moderation of language. In so far as this second principle of moderate language has been breached in the heat and passion of the current debate, we regret this and call for all those who have differing views to ensure that any debate which continues on this subject should use language and attitudes which conform to Liberal standards of respect and moderation.

    “We now call on those on both sides of this argument to return to moderate debate, free of insult and threat and we do so because we believe this is in the interests of our Party, of the wider Muslim community in Britain and of the principles of peace to which Islam is committed.”

    Maajid Nawaz, Liberal Democrat Prospective Parliamentary Candidate for Hampstead and Kilburn.

    Mohammed Shafiq, member of the Liberal Democrats.
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    http://www.libdemvoice.org/statement-by-maajid-nawaz-and-mohammed-shafiq-37990.html

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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     Reply #45 - January 28, 2014, 10:49 PM

    Shafiq is desperately trying to salvage and spin his mess. Slimy little cunt.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #46 - March 12, 2014, 03:59 AM

    So I wondered, is Maajid Nawaz still a candidate for LibDem?
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     Reply #47 - March 12, 2014, 01:44 PM

    Far as I know.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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