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  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     OP - December 09, 2015, 08:36 PM
    I was watching an episode of King of the Hill where the son is being forced into a make out session with his crush by their classmates, despite being only 13 years old. It ended with the two deciding to just hold hands rather than attempt any "risky dancing" or making out, which the dad approved of but an Amish guy cried out "ANIMALS!" in disgust.


    It reminded me of the issue that "kids, especially young girls, are being exposed to so much sex at a tender age in our modern Western society, whereas Islamic values teach children about modesty and being chaste".

    I used to agree with that in part when I was religious, but now I reject it entirely because the same problem I had with such a way of thinking - purity culture of the hijab and its damage on women and girls - won't be going away anytime soon, and the same people who claim the above tend to deny that Muslim children are being taught that gender segregation is the way to go, body shaming is one of the norms and kids are generally taught that sex is bad, bad, bad.


    What does everyone else think of this?
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #1 - December 09, 2015, 08:59 PM
    "purity culture of the hijab and its damage on women and girls"

    I would love to see more ex-muslim women speak out on this topic. I think lectures need to be devoted specifically on this topic so more muslim women can gain perspective.

    We need to get into the psychological damage it causes. After I left Islam as a man, I started to understand Muslim women a lot more ironically.
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #2 - December 09, 2015, 09:21 PM
    When I wore it at the age of 12 to 16, I was harassed by Muslim boys who got their non-Muslim friends to join in. If I didn't fancy them, they made it their job to turn my life into a living hell. Being staked out to be claimed by these little shits was thoroughly unpleasant.

    And if I fancied someone else (who happened to be a non-Muslim, English guy)? I was actually called a "disgraceful woman" by one boy who knew it would wind me up, and he proceeded to say many nasty, misogynistic things about my character and accused me of pretending to be innocent in the clothes I wore.

    The he tried to talk me into having sex with him in one of the empty classrooms.  furious

    My dad was shocked when I told him about a boy trying to talk me into sleeping with him, but when I tried telling my mother about the name calling (without saying "this happened to me at school") she was far more scandalised by the thought of a Muslim girl fancying a non-Muslim boy!



    This is just ONE example of the harm of the hijab purity culture. Another is trying to constantly police what a woman should or shouldn't be interested in or WANT to do because of what she wears on her head.
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #3 - December 09, 2015, 09:56 PM
    That's horrible  Cry

    I can't believe he went as far as wanting to have sex with you at that age in an empty classroom. I never hear these types of stories but I know they exist.

    I used to think like the typical muslim man... And I can't describe whether I feel sympathy for them or not nowadays. They have a misogynist viewpoint of women, but at the same time, most of these men don't realize they're being programmed by some misogynist God.

    I said horrible stuff to a girl who was pretty "Islamically modest," but because she used to flirt with non-muslim guys, I thought she was "being a hypocrite." But it's only because she wanted to escape this misogynist mindset. And she didn't even realize she wanted to escape it, she was just going with her feelings.
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #4 - December 09, 2015, 10:01 PM
    Quote
    Muslim kids are not


    Cheesy Cheesy

    No, Muslim kids are taught to be silent about any exposure to it so that they don't disgrace their parents.

    Yes, the innocence of Muslim kids is so well protected! One of the first things I was taught about Islam at the mosque when I was just 6 was that a man can beat his wife lightly with a siwaak. See how righteous values are instilled in children at such a young age? Masha'Allah TabarakAllah!

    Wife beating = good
    Sex education = filthy
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #5 - December 09, 2015, 10:07 PM
    Quote from: Bolton34 on December 09, 2015, 09:21 PM
    When I wore it at the age of 12 to 16, I was harassed by Muslim boys who got their non-Muslim friends to join in. If I didn't fancy them, they made it their job to turn my life into a living hell. Being staked out to be claimed by these little shits was thoroughly unpleasant.

    And if I fancied someone else (who happened to be a non-Muslim, English guy)? I was actually called a "disgraceful woman" by one boy who knew it would wind me up, and he proceeded to say many nasty, misogynistic things about my character and accused me of pretending to be innocent in the clothes I wore.

    The he tried to talk me into having sex with him in one of the empty classrooms.  furious

    My dad was shocked when I told him about a boy trying to talk me into sleeping with him, but when I tried telling my mother about the name calling (without saying "this happened to me at school") she was far more scandalised by the thought of a Muslim girl fancying a non-Muslim boy!



    This is just ONE example of the harm of the hijab purity culture. Another is trying to constantly police what a woman should or shouldn't be interested in or WANT to do because of what she wears on her head.


    Yes, a significant number of them were disgusting people. I'm sorry you had to go through that.

    Not to mention that putting hijabs on little girls is sexualising them, even if some parents do not intend that. Mine wanted to encourage me to get used to it so that it would be easy when I was "of age" (which was 12 years old  Roll Eyes) ). That is exposing little girls to sex, though in a much more disturbing form.
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #6 - December 09, 2015, 10:26 PM
    Quote from: Bolton34 on December 09, 2015, 08:36 PM
    I was watching an episode of King of the Hill where the son is being forced into a make out session with his crush by their classmates, despite being only 13 years old. It ended with the two deciding to just hold hands rather than attempt any "risky dancing" or making out, which the dad approved of but an Amish guy cried out "ANIMALS!" in disgust.


    It reminded me of the issue that "kids, especially young girls, are being exposed to so much sex at a tender age in our modern Western society, whereas Islamic values teach children about modesty and being chaste".

    I used to agree with that in part when I was religious, but now I reject it entirely because the same problem I had with such a way of thinking - purity culture of the hijab and its damage on women and girls - won't be going away anytime soon, and the same people who claim the above tend to deny that Muslim children are being taught that gender segregation is the way to go, body shaming is one of the norms and kids are generally taught that sex is bad, bad, bad.


    What does everyone else think of this?


    There is much to be alarmed about with the sexualisation of young people. Access to porn, gang culture,  pre-teens wearing inappropriate clothing. The proper solution is education. The people preventing this education from happening are religious.
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #7 - December 10, 2015, 12:01 AM
    Man, one of these days I'll wear inappropriate clothing and be part of a gang.  Cool
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


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  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #8 - December 10, 2015, 02:01 AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUXAEzaC3Q
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #9 - December 10, 2015, 02:31 AM
    Quote from: asbie on December 10, 2015, 12:01 AM
    Man, one of these days I'll wear inappropriate clothing and be part of a gang.  Cool


    I did that. It was fun for a year. Though we called it a ¨crew¨. CHBC! Work hard!
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #10 - December 10, 2015, 06:24 AM
    I agree that glorifying-sex culture is bad. Part of the problem is the pop culture now (what is cool for kids) is so infested with sex, sex, sex and sex.

    It's annoying. People need to chill about sex. Be responsible.


    However, modesty and purity culture is not the answer. It's just making it all horrible for everyone involved.
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #11 - December 10, 2015, 06:38 AM
    This generation is about sex, which is why I choose to live in the 1990s and early 2000s in regards to music and pop culture.

    I'm sure it will get worse with every generation, and years from now people will be saying "Remember 2015 when everything wasn't about sex?"
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #12 - December 10, 2015, 09:10 AM
    Doubt it. There's going to be plateau, seriously all the glorifying of sex is now because the loss of the biggest religion on earth. Once the restriction is gone, people go full nuts like sex is the best thing ever. Blergh.

    It'll stabilize sooner or later.
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #13 - December 10, 2015, 10:52 PM
    Quote from: Rob on December 09, 2015, 10:26 PM
    There is much to be alarmed about with the sexualisation of young people. Access to porn, gang culture,  pre-teens wearing inappropriate clothing. The proper solution is education. The people preventing this education from happening are religious.


    I agree with this very much.
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #14 - December 10, 2015, 11:00 PM
    Quote from: Bolton34 on December 10, 2015, 10:52 PM
    I agree with this very much.


    Agreed, as long as stuff is talked about I don't think exposure to sex is bad.
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #15 - December 11, 2015, 02:35 AM
    Actually it has been all about sex for a very long time. It is not necessarily worse now than it was in the nineties. When you turn off the media it gets easier. When you stop looking at ads even in print it becomes nearly normal.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #16 - December 11, 2015, 03:41 AM
    I see what you're saying. It was about sex the whole time, but I guess it's my biases kicking in when I think there was more of a message in the music back in the 90s than there is now..

    Nowadays the social problems are different and I can't relate to them. It's a different mentality. I guess what I meant was that sex is easily more accessible with technology.

    And like a user said, if Education about these topics become more prevalent, the less problems we'll have.
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #17 - December 11, 2015, 03:54 AM
    Quote from: ExMuslimVlogGuy on December 11, 2015, 03:41 AM
    I see what you're saying. It was about sex the whole time, but I guess it's my biases kicking in when I think there was more of a message in the music back in the 90s than there is now..

    Have you not been exposed to pop music from the 90s?

    Here's a really popular song:

    Quote
    My loneliness is killing me (and I)
    I must confess I still believe (still believe)
    When I'm not with you I lose my mind
    Give me a sign
    Hit me baby one more time

    Oh baby, baby
    The reason I breathe is you
    Boy you got me blinded
    Oh pretty baby
    There's nothing that I wouldn't do
    It's not the way I planned it
    Show me how you want it to be
    Tell me baby 'cause I need to know now, oh because


    Britney Spears literally sings about being in an abusive relationship and needing it. This is what girls were taught in the 90s. So let's stop idealizing the past. The 90s had a lot of shit.
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #18 - December 11, 2015, 04:07 AM
    I'm sure you can cherry-pick any song from the 90s and write an essay and turn it in to your philosophy professor. Have a great time..

    Every generation had their dirt of course and of course there are good songs in today's time..

    But no, you don't have a right to tell me to stop idealizing an era.. haha. That's absurd.
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #19 - December 11, 2015, 05:49 AM
    Wait. "Hit me baby one more time" refer to physical abuse?

    That just doesn't fit with the whole song's lyrics...

    I thought it means something else? Idioms?
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #20 - December 11, 2015, 05:59 AM
    According to the Spice Girls, Wannabe was about orgies and group sex. "If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends. Make it last forever, friendship never ends."

    And we all know The Beatles - Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was about LSD. "Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes".
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #21 - December 11, 2015, 06:01 AM
    I don't know. Everyone's got an interpretation.. But we can't be certain that's exactly what they meant.

    I saw a youtube video talking about hidden meanings in movies from the 90s... It turns into a conspiracy theory type of deal. lol
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #22 - December 11, 2015, 06:02 AM
    Both the Spice Girls and The Beatles confirmed this. Though with the Spice Girls it may have been a lie to try and become popular again, or at least give a spike in sales.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #23 - December 11, 2015, 06:13 AM
    That's interesting.

    No doubt there were sexual suggestions back in the day that I missed when I was a teen vs. when I see them now as an adult.

    But the thing about these artists is that even though they made sexual songs, they always had a sweet deep song to counter it..

    I feel like I go through the typical album of today and all you find is songs that glorify the lifestyle.

    I just feel like there's an introspection missing.. I think introspection got outdated in the music business. Went out of style.
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #24 - December 11, 2015, 06:16 AM
    Quote from: ExMuslimVlogGuy on December 11, 2015, 06:13 AM
    But the thing about these artists is that even though they made sexual songs, they always had a sweet deep song to counter it..

    I never said otherwise. And sexual songs can be both sweet, deep, and sweet and deep.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • "Western kids are exposed to sex sex sex - Muslim kids are not!!"
     Reply #25 - December 11, 2015, 06:30 AM
    When I heard this song as a teen, I thought "They're just fantasizing about the perfect woman. That's cool." It was one of my favorite songs growing up.

    The song is called, "Liquid Dreams" lol.. Pretty sexual when you think about it as an adult and listen to the lyrics.. I can draw a parallel that Muslim kids think about their Hoor-al ayn the same way.  Cheesy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7RPvOOjCvE
    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
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