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OP - March 01, 2009, 04:52 AM

I had a discussion with my cousin sometime back about 23:14 which says that we are from a clot of bood and i said that the quran is wrong since that science evidence shows that we are from a single cell called "zygote", which is not a clot of blood and that a clot of bood cannot possibly grow into a whole new person. He replied back and said that it is figurative and that the clot and zygote had the same element. I asked him what it it and he reply back by confusing me. i don't know much about chemistry and biology though, and my question is, is he right?
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Reply #1 - March 01, 2009, 10:18 AM

Well, if he's arguing from a religious perspective he'd probably maintain that a gobbet of spittle was the same as a zygote if it said that, in which ever holy book, instead of blood clot. You can't argue with such gullibility.

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Reply #2 - March 01, 2009, 04:44 PM

If you think about it, a newly formed zygote/ early term foetus would resemble a clot of blood were we to examine one with the naked eye and presumably there were plenty of early births and miscarriages in 7th century Arabia upon which Mo could have based his theory behind verse 23:14.

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Reply #3 - March 01, 2009, 07:23 PM

That is what I always thought when presented with this as proof of God

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Reply #4 - March 02, 2009, 11:50 AM

Quote from: Nour
If you think about it, a newly formed zygote/ early term foetus would resemble a clot of blood were we to examine one with the naked eye and presumably there were plenty of early births and miscarriages in 7th century Arabia upon which Mo could have based his theory behind verse 23:14.

seems to me that muhammad got it wrong cause a clot is a semisolid mass, therefore a clot of blood is a semisolid mass of blood and a zygote is a cell which does not look like a clot of blood at all, it is transparent, like any oter cell. Don't believe me? look it up. seems to me that muhammad give a poor figure of speech.

I can provide a link that gives a picture of a zygote though i didn't read the website here: http://www.midwestivf.com/art/zift.htm
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Reply #5 - March 02, 2009, 05:31 PM

Ahhhh, the good old explanation of how it's "figurative" or other such nonsense. The final resting place of the religious who have to believe in the inerrancy of their scriptures. How sad.

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Reply #6 - March 02, 2009, 11:13 PM

I always maintained Nour's observation regarding this verse. At the time people, all people saw from an early aborted birth, was a clot of blood. They did not have microscopes to know better. That is your answer Li to your friend. That at the time, the writer of this verse did not have a microscope to know better.

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