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  • Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     OP - April 01, 2009, 03:16 PM
    I want to draw your attention to a situation that may well not be related to your group as a whole but there is definitely something amiss.

    I have nothing to do with your organisation and until today had never heard of it. On my bank statement today however was a payment for ?1.00 to - WWW.EX-MUSLIM-ORG.UK which lead me here to this site.

    I did not authorise this payment, I have never given my card pin number to anyone or allowed anyone to see if I've used it. I called the bank to sort this issue and as soon as I said the day of the stolen money from my account (which is what this is) they knew immediately that is was the payment to EX-MUSLIM-ORG as they'd had a few others with the same problem already today. I now have had to cancel my card because of this theft.

    I figure this is the best place to mention it in the first instance. I do not know who receives this money but would like to find out. It is in your organisation's interest if you are indeed legitimate to sort this issue, I have no idea how many other people will have been affected and how much you have gained but rest assured I intend to find out. I do not trust my bank to do much about it but I am a very determined person so will take it upon myself.

    I look forward to information from you ASAP, if you just delete this thread do not think that will get rid of me, as soon as I have time I will be getting legal advice. I do not care about the ?1.00 particularly, but the principal of the theft and however many others have been affected by this. When I can find out more information, if not down to an individual who is suitably punished I WILL be contacting all the relevant media agencies to inform them of the going's on at the Council of ex-Muslims.

    If you are legitimate I would appreciate a response to defend yourselves promptly.

     



  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #1 - April 01, 2009, 03:23 PM
    Sorry to hear that happened to you. It is explained on the website that it has been brought to their attention and has happened to a number of people.

    http://www.ex-muslim.org.uk/indexDonate.html
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  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #2 - April 01, 2009, 03:27 PM
    I've heard that when someone is intending to use your card for a big transaction, they do a few small transactions first to see if the account can be abused. When they are sure of that, they go ahead and make a larger transaction.

    I topped up my own mobile with my card twice in 2 weeks for the same amounts and my card got blocked by my bank because of security and they explained that to me.

    Call up your bank and explain what has happened immediately. It could stop your account being misused.
  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #3 - April 01, 2009, 03:30 PM
    This looks like a more serious issue than one pound of theft, Jimrod.  Its a common tactic of identity fraudsters to do small transactions to test the water.  You may have been a victim of identity theft, did you lose any credit cards or bank cards recently?  If so, you may need to contact the police as well as your bank, you don't want to find out that someone has run up thousands in debt in your name.
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  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #4 - April 01, 2009, 03:36 PM
    Thanks for the information!

    I have already cancelled the card (bit of a pain when you have to buy food/petrol etc!) and certainly don't want to tar the reputation of the Council of Ex-Muslims, rather more sort out who has taken the money, if, as you say this is done as a "tester" it would go some way to explaining the payment.

    I have my own grievances with my bank over a similar issue I had last year with a credit card that had ?1000 of payments on it even though I'd never used it or taken it out of the house! (was for work expenses which I never had to use). The bank could not have shown less interest in catching the perpetrators even though there were cancelled payments for Sky subscription and AA car insurance - surely easily trackable!!! What annoys me is that some of these things must be "inside jobs" but you are treated as if you are flashing your card and pin to everyone - especially in the case of my credit card there was no way anyone could have gotten my info.

    I have a couple of ideas on the debit card though... Only two places I'd used it that week - a curry house and a petrol station, the curry house payment was over the phone and garage had issues with printing my receipt, they did it twice and he kept one copy... Hmmm....

    I still have the card and have used it for a couple of years with no problems (unlike the credit card)

    Please note: I have nothing against ex-Muslims or indeed current ones Cheesy religion does not interest me much Smiley


  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #5 - April 01, 2009, 03:41 PM
    I don't think you can tell much from a credit card receipt, but if you gave out your security code for the phone transaction, I would say the culprit is whoever was on the other end of the phone! 

    If that's the case, you should be safe enough now that you've cancelled the card. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #6 - April 01, 2009, 03:42 PM
    So if you make a donation it comes on your back statement as council of ex Muslims?  Huh?
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #7 - April 01, 2009, 03:44 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on April 01, 2009, 03:41 PM
    I don't think you can tell much from a credit card receipt, but if you gave out your security code for the phone transaction, I would say the culprit is whoever was on the other end of the phone! 

    If that's the case, you should be safe enough now that you've cancelled the card. 


    Well, cards can be cloned, even chip and pin ones. Normally my bank just pays me the money back they don't even bother with an investigation, once I was drunk and spent something like ?340 and then I lost my card the same night, the even re-enbusrt me for the money I spent, I did bother to correct them Tongue
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #8 - April 01, 2009, 03:52 PM
    Cloning a card is a lot more bother than using the security code to bypass the pin number though.  I think I would go the police, or at least warn all my friends not to be giving their credit card details to that particular curry house.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #9 - April 01, 2009, 03:58 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on April 01, 2009, 03:52 PM
    Cloning a card is a lot more bother than using the security code to bypass the pin number though.  I think I would go the police, or at least warn all my friends not to be giving their credit card details to that particular curry house.


    Aye, shame though as they have been my favourite for years :( First time I've used them in months. The Curry House that is, not my friends Wink
  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #10 - April 01, 2009, 04:01 PM
    Could it just be one rogue employee?  If so, you could simply warn the manager/owner.  If it was the manager who took your call, then I'm afraid you'd be better off finding a new curry house.  Cry
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  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #11 - April 01, 2009, 04:22 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on April 01, 2009, 04:01 PM
    Could it just be one rogue employee?  If so, you could simply warn the manager/owner.  If it was the manager who took your call, then I'm afraid you'd be better off finding a new curry house.  Cry


    I think it was the manager which is why I'm unsure as I've dealt with them many times in the past with no problem, perhaps they're branching out!! I think in future I'll stick to cash payments for take-aways etc. I have little trust of bank employees themselves to be honest though as the credit card problems I had could not be related to my usage of it!


  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #12 - April 01, 2009, 05:01 PM
    I wonder if they were trying to discredit this ex-muslim site by using the credit card here - I know its only circumstantial, but were the staff either at the garage or restaurant religious Muslims?
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  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #13 - April 02, 2009, 08:40 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 01, 2009, 05:01 PM
    I wonder if they were trying to discredit this ex-muslim site by using the credit card here - I know its only circumstantial, but were the staff either at the garage or restaurant religious Muslims?


    I considered that too, I'm not sure of the religion of the staff at the garage but I'd say they it's likely they were Muslims as they were Pakistani/Bangladeshi (purely based on my view of their appearance!!), the guys at the curry house are definitely Muslims, I wouldn't say the manager was particularly devout though! (The driver who delivered was more "orthodox" in appearance at least).

    But as you say, this is circumstantial and stereotyping somewhat so I'd rather not jump to any conclusions. Certainly a possibility of some underhandedness though if the Council of ex-Muslims has been targeted frequently as seems to be the case based on what the bank said.
  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #14 - April 02, 2009, 08:45 AM
    Sounds rather odd, but certainly nothing to do with the Council itself. I'd say the test transaction theory is probably right. Nobody bothers ripping you off for one quid. It simple isn't worth doing.
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  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #15 - April 03, 2009, 04:36 AM
    Just checked my account and got the same ?1 charge. That led me to this site too. Got to ring up HSBC straight away and sort it out. Where have they got our info from ? I am going to be paranoid now about where they could of got it from.

    P.S : Just noticed a charge on the 31st March too, so that is x2 lots of ?1s they have taken out of my account, weird. I am not bothered about ?2 but hate not knowing where they got my info from.

    P.P.S : I don't eat curries, so your local curry house might be safe if we were hit by the same crooks, unless it is a multiple gang thing. I actually live in a village and have only used my debit card with few places. I have a bad feeling I may have been lebanese looped, but I presumed in those cases your card is rejected from the cash point, which hasn't happened to me. Don't online transactions need a secure code these days ?
  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #16 - April 03, 2009, 12:37 PM
    'Lebanese Looped'? Please explain! And, as people have pointed out, the small amount is not the point - it's a sort of tester priming the fraudster for spending larger amounts. Good luck in clearing that up!
    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #17 - April 03, 2009, 01:27 PM
    Pasuzu, yep, I understand about the reason for the ?1 charge, I am just suprised they charged my card with another ?1 a few days after the original ?1 was charged, as surely by then they knew it was okay and active. Just seemed odd to me to charge my card again with such a small amount.

    A "lebanese loop" is a device fitted in to the card slot in ATM machines from the outside, your card goes in to the device which is inserted in to the machine. Your card is then stuck in the machine when you try to use it, you just think it has been swallowed by the machine, but seconds later a thief comes along and removes te device with your card in it. But as I still have my card I can't of been lebanese looped. Maybe they have got smarter these days and actually fitted a device that scans the cards and gives them back.
  • Re: Council of Ex-Muslims = thieves??
     Reply #18 - April 03, 2009, 08:39 PM
    And is it called that because the Lebanese do that sort of thievery? Oh dear!

    Well, at any rate, good luck in finding a solution. I hope the bank can stop it before it goes any further.
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