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  • In need of surahs!
     OP - September 18, 2009, 11:16 AM

    Human needs some juicy surahs in order to question her bf with. Just list as many as you can think of. I'll start off with a few I have-

    Men are above women
    (4:34) Men are the protec-tors and maintainers of women56 because Allah has made one of them excel over the other,57 and because they spend out of their possessions (to support them). Thus righteous women are obedient and guard the rights of men in their absence under Allah's protection.58 As for women of whom you fear rebellion, admonish them, and remain apart from them in beds, and beat them.59 Then if they obey you, do not seek ways to harm them. Allah is Exalted, Great.

    [2:228] The divorced women shall wait three menstruations (before marrying another man). It is not lawful for them to conceal what GOD creates in their wombs, if they believe in GOD and the Last Day. (In case of pregnancy,) the husband's wishes shall supersede the wife's wishes, if he wants to remarry her. The women have rights, as well as obligations, equitably. Thus, the man's wishes prevail (in case of pregnancy). GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

    Sex with slaves
    004.003: And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course.

    004.023 & 024: Forbidden to you are your mothers and your daughters and your sisters and your paternal aunts and your maternal aunts and brothers' daughters and sisters' daughters and your mothers that have suckled you and your foster-sisters and mothers of your wives and your step-daughters who are in your guardianship, (born) of your wives to whom you have gone in, but if you have not gone in to them, there is no blame on you (in marrying them), and the wives of your sons who are of your own loins and that you should have two sisters together, except what has already passed; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    ..... And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

    023.006: Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable,

    024.033: And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    033.050: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    Marrying child brides
    (65:4) The waiting period of those of your women who have lost all expectation of menstruation shall be three months12 in case you entertain any doubt; and the same shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated.13 As for pregnant women, their waiting period shall be until the delivery of their burden.14 Allah will create ease for him who fears Allah.

    The waiting period only applies if the marriage has been consummated. 'Those who have not yet menstruated' is referring to girls who have not yet reached puberty, the Quran allows you to consummate the marriage of girls who haven't had their periods yet and they can be divorced too.

    Hypocrites
    (4:88) What has happened to you that you have two minds about the hypocrites116 even though Allah has reverted them, owing to the sins that they earned?117 Do you want to lead those to the right way whom Allah let go astray? And he whom Allah lets go astray, for him you can never find a way.
    (Read history here- http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=4&verse=88&to=91)

    If you read the history of this verse, it tells you that those who live in the lands of the kuffar are hypocrites. Your bf is a hypocrite for living in a non-Islamic country. God doesn't like hypocrites Wink

    Jihad
    (4:95) Those believers who sit at home, unless they do so out of a disabling injury, are not the equals of those who strive in the way of Allah with their possessions and their lives. Allah has exalted in rank those who strive with their possessions and their lives over those who sit at home; and though to each Allah has promised some good reward, He has preferred those who strive (in the way of Allah) over those who sit at home for a mighty reward.

    Allah wants you to risk your lives in his way. There's not much point in using this against him unless you know about Islam's history of how it spread.

    Mohammed's wives weren't allowed to remarry after him
    And when ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain. That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not for you to cause annoyance to the messenger of Allah, nor that ye should ever marry his wives after him. Lo! that in Allah?s sight would be an enormity. (Quran, 33:53)

    God's ego
    ?And I [God] did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me? (Quran 51:56)

  • Re: In need of surahs!
     Reply #1 - September 18, 2009, 11:24 AM

    Might have to give a bit of tafseer with them as well, otherwise her bf will just make up his own "tafseer' on the spot.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: In need of surahs!
     Reply #2 - September 18, 2009, 11:32 AM

    Good point. I'd recommend this site for a good tafseer- http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=1

    Also you could use Ibn Kathir's- http://www.tafsir.com/
  • Re: In need of surahs!
     Reply #3 - September 18, 2009, 12:14 PM

    Top 10 Quran quotes every woman MUST SEE


    Tell every woman you know about these verses. The oppression of women that Islam advocates is not only disturbing, but is direct contrast with everything that Western civilization stands for when it comes to the rights of women.

    These are referenced from an article published from the American Thinker in 2005. Each one goes into much greater detail if you are interested in reading more on each verse. The article is here: Top 10 rules in the Quran that oppress women

    10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.

    The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:

    Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur?an, Oxford UP, 2004)

    9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.

    The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:

    . . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A?La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur?an, vol. 1, p. 165)

    8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.

    The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:

    The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)

    7. A woman?s testimony counts half of a man?s testimony.

    The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:

    And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).

    6. A wife may remarry her ex?husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.

    The Quran in Sura 2:230 says:

    And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)

    5. Slave?girls are sexual property for their male owners.

    The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

    And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

    4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.

    The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:

    And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 305)

    3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.

    The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:

    It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)

    2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).

    The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:

    4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)

    1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.

    The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

    65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting?period and count the waiting?period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)



    Reference: Infidels Are Cool

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  • Re: In need of surahs!
     Reply #4 - September 18, 2009, 12:40 PM

    The Ila' and its Rulings

    Ila' is a type of vow where a man swears not to sleep with his wife for a certain period, whether less or more than four months. If the vow of Ila' was for less than four months, the man has to wait for the vow's period to end and then is allowed to have sexual intercourse with his wife. She has to be patient and she cannot ask her husband, in this case, to end his vow before the end of its term.

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=6030

    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: In need of surahs!
     Reply #5 - September 18, 2009, 12:46 PM

    Prosaic, what is Ila? Do you know it in Arabic?

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  • Re: In need of surahs!
     Reply #6 - September 18, 2009, 12:56 PM

    Prosaic, what is Ila? Do you know it in Arabic?


    i didnot know about it either till few weeks ago ,

    here is a link to my fav anti-islamic site  Kiss

    http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?nType=1&bm=&nSeg=0&l=arb&nSora=2&nAya=226&taf=KATHEER&tashkeel=1

    لِلَّذِينَ يُؤْلُونَ مِنْ نِسَائِهِمْ تَرَبُّصُ أَرْبَعَةِ أَشْهُرٍ فَإِنْ فَاءُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ

    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: In need of surahs!
     Reply #7 - September 18, 2009, 01:04 PM

    Oh my FG..... I don't remember this verse although I have read the quran several times and this is sick.

    I think the Quran is talking more about sex than anything else. I think the Quran should be rated 18+

    How would a 6 or 7 years old would understand that? This is hilarious! Cheesy

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  • Re: In need of surahs!
     Reply #8 - September 18, 2009, 01:11 PM

    Oh my FG..... I don't remember this verse although I have read the quran several times and this is sick.

    I think the Quran is talking more about sex than anything else. I think the Quran should be rated 18+

    How would a 6 or 7 years old would understand that? This is hilarious! Cheesy


    Another one for u ya seedy ,Enjoy
     dance

    http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?nType=1&bm=&nSeg=0&l=arb&nSora=4&nAya=5&taf=KATHEER&tashkeel=1

    5. And give not unto the unwise your wealth which Allah has made a means of support for you, but feed and clothe them therewith, and speak to them words of kindness and justice.)

    قال الضحاك عن ابن عباس في قوله " ولا تؤتوا السفهاء أموالكم " قال هم بنوك والنساء وكذا قال ابن مسعود والحكم بن عيينة والحسن والضحاك هم النساء والصبيان وقال سعيد بن جبير هم اليتامى . وقال مجاهد وعكرمة وقتادة هم النساء

    And give not unto the unwise your property) refers to children and women. Similar was also said by Ibn Mas`ud, Al-Hakam bin `Uyaynah, Al-Hasan and Ad-Dahhak: "Women and boys.'' Sa`id bin Jubayr said that `the unwise' refers to the orphans. Mujahid, `Ikrimah and Qatadah said; "They are women.''

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=4&tid=10453

    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: In need of surahs!
     Reply #9 - September 18, 2009, 02:22 PM

    Although there is MUCH worse in the Qur'an than this verse, it is the one (along with its Tafsir) that opened up my eyes for the first time to the idea that it was all coming from Muhammad's head. If you really examine why each verse of this section was revealed, it is quite obvious that it is all coming from an annoyed man trying to control his people, NOT some omnipotent creator of the universe trying to set some kind of divine order.

    From Qur'an:
    Quote
    O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet for a meal without waiting for the proper time, unless permission be granted you. But if ye are invited, enter, and, when your meal is ended, then disperse. Linger not for conversation. Lo! that would cause annoyance to the Prophet, and he would be shy of (asking) you (to go); but Allah is not shy of the truth. And when ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain. That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not for you to cause annoyance to the messenger of Allah, nor that ye should ever marry his wives after him. Lo! that in Allah's sight would be an enormity. (53) Whether ye divulge a thing or keep it hidden, lo! Allah is ever Knower of all things. (54) It is no sin for them (thy wives) (to converse freely) with their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or the sons of their sisters or of their own women, or their slaves. O women! Keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is ever Witness over all things. (33:55)


    Tafsir:
    Quote
    (O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet?) [33:53]. Most of the commentators of the Qur?an said: ?When the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, married Zaynab bint Jahsh, he organised a wedding feast in which was offered dates and a mush of wheat and he slaughtered a sheep. Anas said: ?My mother Umm Sulaym sent him a container made of stone. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, then commanded me to invite his Companions to eat and so I did. Groups of people came, ate and then left. I said: ?O Prophet of Allah, I have invited everybody and there is no one else to invite?. He said: ?Take away your food?. They took away the food and people left, except for three people who stayed in the room talking among themselves. They stayed so long that they annoyed the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, who was extremely bashful [such that he could not ask them to leave]. And so this verse was revealed, and the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, drew a veil between him and me? ?. Muhammad ibn ?Abd al-Rahman al-Faqih informed us> Abu Umar Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Hiri> ?Imran ibn Musa ibn Mujashi?> ?Abd al-A?la ibn Hammad al-Nursi> al-Mu?tamir ibn Sulayman> his father> Abu Majlaz> Anas ibn Malik who said: ?When the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, married Zaynab ibn Jahsh, he invited people to a wedding ceremony. People ate and then remained in their seats talking to each other. The Prophet made as if he was preparing himself to leave but people did not get the hint. He then left the room and people left with him, except for three people who remained sitting. When the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, returned and found them still sitting, he went out again. When they saw this, the three men left. I went and informed the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, that they had left. He returned and entered his room. I wanted to enter with him but he drew the curtain between him and me. Allah, exalted is He, then revealed (O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet for a meal without waiting for the proper time?) up to His words (Lo! that in Allah?s sight would be an enormity)?.

    This was narrated by Bukhari from Muhammad ibn ?Abd Allah al-Riqashi and also by Muslim from Yahya ibn Habib al-Harithi; both al-Riqashi and al-Harithi related it from al-Mu?tamir. Isma?il ibn Ibrahim al-Wa?iz informed us> Abu ?Amr ibn Nujayd> Muhammad ibn al-Hasan ibn al-Khalil> Hisham ibn ?Ammar> al-Khalil ibn Musa> ?Abd Allah ibn ?Awn> ?Amr ibn Shu?ayb> Anas ibn Malik who said: ?I was with the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, when he passed by one of his rooms and saw people there sitting and talking. He then returned and entered the room and drew the curtain in my face. I went to Abu Talhah and related to him what had happened. He said: ?If what you say is true, Allah, exalted is He, will reveal some Qur?an about it?. Allah, exalted is He, then revealed (O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet for a meal without waiting for the proper time)?. Ahmad ibn al-Hasan al-Hiri informed us> Hajib ibn Ahmad> ?Abd al-Rahim ibn Munib> Yazid ibn Harun> Humayd> Anas who said: ??Umar ibn al-Khattab, may Allah be well pleased with him, said: ?I said: ?O Messenger of Allah, the righteous and the corrupt enter in on you, why do you not command the mothers of the believers to be out of the sight of men?, and so Allah, exalted is He, revealed the verse of segregation (Ayat al-Hijab)? ?. This was narrated by Bukhari> Musaddid> Yahya ibn Abi Za?idah> Humayd. Abu Hakim al-Jurjani informed us through verbal authorisation> Abu?l-Faraj al-Qadi> Muhammad ibn Jarir> Ya?qub ibn Ibrahim> Hushaym> Layth> Mujahid who related that the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, was once eating with his Companions when the hand of one of them touched the hand of ?A?ishah who was with them. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, was upset because of this, and the verse of segregation was revealed. (? nor that ye should marry his wives after him?) [33:53]. ?Ata? related that Ibn ?Abbas said: ?One of the nobles of Quraysh said: ?I would marry ?A?ishah if the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, were to die?, and so Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse?.

    Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi , trans. Mokrane Guezzou



    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
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