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  • I Posted This on ummah.com
     OP - October 09, 2009, 08:09 PM

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=231275

    Don't Fall into the Trap

    This is a plea to all reasonable-minded Muslims:

    Stay away from the English Defence League Demo in Manchester and whenever they hold one.

    Whether the EDL are a racist right-wing group or not - they are without doubt infiltrated by such groups who are intent on starting a race-war and stirring up trouble.

    The numbers of EDL who actually turn up are small and well controlled & cordoned off by police.

    There is no need for any counter demos by the UAF or anyone else.

    Ordinary Muslims and indeed ordinary non-Muslims are being used by extreme elements on both sides to kick off violence.

    Young Asian hot-heads are being whipped up and end up getting into fights - and on the front page of the tabloids.

    Please don't be so foolish as to fall for this.

    Stay away from these Demos - and ignore them - they are tiny and a threat to no-one and will die a natural death.
  • Re: I Posted This on ummah.com
     Reply #1 - October 09, 2009, 08:29 PM

    I think this is a good post. I really hope it will have the intended effect.

    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
    "there is no religion of peace, only people who are peaceful while being religious."
  • Re: I Posted This on ummah.com
     Reply #2 - October 09, 2009, 08:40 PM

    I really wonder what the response to this post will be...

     whistling2

    Good post, though.  Afro
  • Re: I Posted This on ummah.com
     Reply #3 - October 09, 2009, 08:43 PM

    Great advice there, Hassan. But wonder if it would get thru to the thick head of some of those guys.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: I Posted This on ummah.com
     Reply #4 - October 10, 2009, 12:45 AM


    Great advice. I am worried though, because the hotheads actually like confronting them, it feeds the sense of fighting for the faith in practical terms. Lets hope that things are peaceful over the weekend.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: I Posted This on ummah.com
     Reply #5 - October 10, 2009, 01:20 AM

    Great advice. I am worried though, because the hotheads actually like confronting them, it feeds the sense of fighting for the faith in practical terms.


    That, and, well, it's just fun beating the snot out of fascists.  Smiley

    fuck you
  • Re: I Posted This on ummah.com
     Reply #6 - October 10, 2009, 01:32 AM

    Quote
    That, and, well, it's just fun beating the snot out of fascists.


    To a certain extent, that is true. If a violent racist was fronting up to anyone, I would take pleasure in beating them down.

    However, in Birmingham, the EDL were well contained by the police, they were controlled more or less, and were handled. The UAF outnumbered them, and that is when hundreds of young muslim lads steamed into the city centre and in the heat of the situation, they beat up, chased or confronted passing white men who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and had nothing to do with the EDL and were entirely innocent. So the whole situation is bad. It can't be allowed to escalate again and again and again.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: I Posted This on ummah.com
     Reply #7 - October 10, 2009, 06:28 PM

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8300431.stm

    Dozens arrested during protests

    More than 40 people have been arrested during two political demonstrations in Manchester city centre.

    At least 2,000 people attended the protests, by the English Defence League (EDL) and members of Unite Against Fascism (UAF) on Saturday afternoon.

    Witnesses said "ugly scenes" broke out between rival protestors and police.
    Forty eight people have been arrested, among them four held on suspicion of affray. Most of the other arrests were for public order offences.
    'Nasty' atmosphere

    Other people were detained on suspicion of racially-aggravated offences or over possession of weapons or drugs.

    Protesters have been herded by police officers to railway stations in the city as they made their way home.

    Police officers arrest one of the 34 taken into custody
    One man suffered a head injury during the protests, but did not need hospital treatment, a police spokeswoman confirmed.

    About 700 members from the EDL and 1,400 members from UAF were separated by a line of riot police, dogs and mounted police in Piccadilly Gardens.
    Mat Trewern, from BBC Radio Manchester, said the atmosphere had turned "quite nasty" as the day progressed.

    He said: "There had been some ugly scenes as protesters clashed with police, but it has started to calm down and the crowds are dispersing.

    "At one point, earlier on, when it became extremely tense, members of the UAF tried to break the police line between the two groups, which in turn angered the EDL members.
    "Trouble had started when 100 members of the EDL arrived at Piccadilly Gardens and they were immediately met with shouts of 'racists' and 'off our streets' by members of the UAF, who had already congregated at Piccadilly."
    'Hell-bent on confrontation'

    He said the number of protesters from the UAF outnumbered those from the EDL by about two to one.

    "The disruption in the city centre has been on a large scale, shoppers and businesses have been affected by the protests."

    Assistant Chief Constable Garry Shewan said: "The presence of so many protesters in the city has proved a challenge and while many have turned out to protest peacefully, the police reaction has been necessary in order to prevent the few hell-bent on violent confrontation.

    "Today we've made arrests, many of whom were thought to be agitators and trouble-makers."

    Greater Manchester Police confirmed a man, believed to be heading to the protest, had earlier been arrested in Birmingham on suspicion of distributing racially aggravated material.

    Muslim leaders had renewed appeals for people to avoid the demonstrations.
    Nanu Miah, a community leader from Oldham, said before the protests in Manchester: "We are not encouraging people to go, we don't know who EDL is and what could happen."
    An EDL event in Birmingham in September led to counter-demonstrations and bricks being hurled at riot police. Up to 90 people were arrested.
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     Reply #13 - October 10, 2009, 07:10 PM

    The emergence of organisations like the English Defence League is inevitable.  Infact I'm surprised that protests against the unsavoury elements of the Muslim community didn't occur sooner.

    I'm not saying that I want or support any of this of course.  I'm just saying that it's inevitable.

    Let's put things into perspective and remind ourselves of the kinda things which provoked people to form such organisations...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs

    Whatever you think of the English Defence league, at least they're not shouting things like "Bomb bomb Muslims!" or "Bomb bomb Mecca!"

    The Muslim mob protesting however are quite clearly shouting "Bomb bomb Denmark!"

    These aren't good times.  I just want it all to stop.

    .
  • Re: I Posted This on ummah.com
     Reply #14 - October 10, 2009, 07:22 PM

    I had to go into town today to get a few things from the shop.  I managed to avoid the city centre but boy, there were loads of cops at the train station with airport-style metal detectors, etc.  They left me alone but were clearly targeting any young, white lad in a football jersey. 

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: I Posted This on ummah.com
     Reply #15 - October 10, 2009, 09:06 PM

    The emergence of organisations like the English Defence League is inevitable.  Infact I'm surprised that protests against the unsavoury elements of the Muslim community didn't occur sooner.

    I'm not saying that I want or support any of this of course.  I'm just saying that it's inevitable.

    Let's put things into perspective and remind ourselves of the kinda things which provoked people to form such organisations...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs

    Whatever you think of the English Defence league, at least they're not shouting things like "Bomb bomb Muslims!" or "Bomb bomb Mecca!"

    The Muslim mob protesting however are quite clearly shouting "Bomb bomb Denmark!"

    These aren't good times.  I just want it all to stop.


    I agree with Shahid here.

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  • Re: I Posted This on ummah.com
     Reply #16 - October 10, 2009, 09:16 PM



    See, the EDL isn't racist, they're multicultural-- that one dude's wearing a niqab.

    fuck you
  • Re: I Posted This on ummah.com
     Reply #17 - October 10, 2009, 09:55 PM

    Its great that ordinary non-Muslim brits are coming out to challenge the EDL but when will cowardly Muslims come out onto the streets to challenge the likes of Anjum Chowdary instead of sitting at home cooking up ever stranger conspiracy theories.

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: I Posted This on ummah.com
     Reply #18 - October 10, 2009, 11:05 PM

    See, the EDL isn't racist, they're multicultural-- that one dude's wearing a niqab.

     Cheesy

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  • Re: I Posted This on ummah.com
     Reply #19 - October 11, 2009, 03:02 AM

    See, the EDL isn't racist, they're multicultural-- that one dude's wearing a niqab.


    All of them are racist, nearly of them drawn from the far-right - yes.

    Thus, I agree with the approach spelled out in the OP: To not fall into the trap of making these provocations far more effective than they otherwise would be, which is the result of anti-fascist actions.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
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