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  • Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     OP - December 09, 2009, 05:11 PM


    I freakin' love Leone's westerns.

    I honestly think The Good The Bad & The Ugly is one of the greatest movies ever made.

    I can watch The Man with No Name trilogy starring Clint Eastwood a million times and never get bored of them.

    They have the simplicity and power of parables.

    Ennio Morricone's soundtracks were genius as well.


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  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #1 - December 09, 2009, 05:19 PM

    It is one of the greatest movies ever made, and definitely in the top 10 Westerns ever made, IMO. Though my favorite Western is "The Wild Bunch":

    This is the end of the movie, so if you haven't seen it, you might wanna skip the clip

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUhUAa3y4rE&feature=related

    fuck you
  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #2 - December 09, 2009, 05:23 PM


    I only watched The Wild Bunch a couple of years ago and had heard great things about it, but I just didn't get into it as much as I thought I would. Maybe I have to watch it again.


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  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #3 - December 09, 2009, 05:24 PM

    I freakin' love Leone's westerns.

    I honestly think The Good The Bad & The Ugly is one of the greatest movies ever made.

    +1 - although it did slow down at times.. "eh Blondie" "When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk."  Cheesy

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  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #4 - December 09, 2009, 05:27 PM

    That was Tuco, not Blondie

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  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #5 - December 09, 2009, 05:28 PM

    He and Morricone were geniuses together!

    Tuco is just brilliant - the scene where he meets his brother who is a padre, such a great scene -- his character is such a bastard, but comical too -- to make you warm to a cold hearted bastard like that, Eli Wallach's performance is brilliant.


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  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #6 - December 09, 2009, 05:28 PM

    I meant it as 2 separate quotes, fixed

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  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #7 - December 09, 2009, 05:29 PM

    Sergio Leone's direction + Ennio Morricone's musical score = TOTAL WIN!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PwpOmjAu1M

    I absolutely love 'The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly'. Eli Wallach stole the show in that epic.

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  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #8 - December 09, 2009, 05:39 PM

    He and Morricone were geniuses together!

    Tuco is just brilliant - the scene where he meets his brother who is a padre, such a great scene -- his character is such a bastard, but comical too -- to make you warm to a cold hearted bastard like that, Eli Wallach's performance is brilliant.



    Wallach deserved an Oscar award for that role. How did he NOT get it??  finmad

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  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #9 - December 09, 2009, 05:43 PM

    He and Morricone were geniuses together!

    Tuco is just brilliant - the scene where he meets his brother who is a padre, such a great scene -- his character is such a bastard, but comical too -- to make you warm to a cold hearted bastard like that, Eli Wallach's performance is brilliant.




    Couldn't agree more. I think Tuco's character was the most compelling and definitely the best performed.

    Funny how a Jewish dude is best known in Hollywood for playing Mexican bandits-- you seen the Magnificent Seven? He's the bad guy in that, but, in some ways I think he proves to be more honorable than the good guys-- well, maybe not more honorable, but more rational and consistent about applying his moral code, however twisted.

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  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #10 - December 09, 2009, 07:54 PM

    I freakin' love Leone's westerns.

    I honestly think The Good The Bad & The Ugly is one of the greatest movies ever made.


    Because it is.  I even made my own ring tone from the Morricone theme.  I love love love Leone's movies as well as Clint Eastwood's other westerns.  (I like westerns overall). 

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  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #11 - December 09, 2009, 10:50 PM

    I swear I have lost count of the amount of times I have watched Fistful of Dollars, Few Dollars More, and Good, Bad & Ugly - and they still are fresh, involving and entertaining each time you watch them.

    I bought this book about them - a perfect Christmas / Eid / New Year gift for yourself if you love these movies!

    +++++

    They were "ersatz Westerns" to American critics. Umberto Eco compared them to the "godless nostalgia" of Renaissance writing, and the director himself described them as about "picaresque people placed in epic situations". The films of Sergio Leone have inspired generations of directors, from Steven Spielberg, George Lucas (whose film Star Wars was effectively a Western in space) and John Carpenter to Quentin Tarantino. Christopher Frayling certainly needs no convincing of the man's talent. Already the author of Spaghetti Westerns, his first full-length biography is a cinaste's delight, a detailed and rewarding survey of the career of the man of whom Bernardo Bertolucci said, "I like the way he filmed horses' arses".
     
    Leone was born into film: his father directed the first Italian Western in 1913 and his mother was an actress. Beset by a formative tangle of influences, such as Neapolitan marionette shows and a love of John Ford and Charlie Chaplin, he moved from "toga flicks" to the landscape of his dreams, the American mid-West (actually Almeria in Spain). The 1960s Dollars trilogy, with their fledgling star Clint Eastwood as The Man With No Name (actually Joe in the first, then Blondie) and their lingering camerawork allied to Ennio Morricone's haunting scores, defined a genre from which he fought to escape. Once Upon the Time in the West followed, with its dizzying stillness but there would be a decade of relative inertia before the epic Once Upon a Time in America, the gangster film he reputedly turned down The Godfather to direct. The film is a mosaic of reference to film noir and America, the genre and country that continued to inform and delight him. Frayling's cultured prose focuses less on the man than the movie-maker, yet his study, which also doubles as a general history of Italian cinema, splendidly feeds off the numerous legends and bitching that sprung up around the history of Leone's productions. Drawing on conversations with the director himself before his death in 1989, as well as dialogues with old acquaintances--and, most essentially, a first-class knowledge of the films themselves--Frayling has written a comprehensive homage to one of the trademark directors of 20th-century cinema.


    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sergio-Leone-Once-Upon-Italy/dp/0500287430/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260398947&sr=1-2



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  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #12 - December 09, 2009, 10:56 PM

    He's the bad guy in that, but, in some ways I think he proves to be more honorable than the good guys-- well, maybe not more honorable, but more rational and consistent about applying his moral code, however twisted.


    Before the Spaghetti westerns, the genre idealised American history and society - the heroes were honourable men, decent men in a dangerous world.

    Leone said "fuck that"

    He made his heroes cold-hearted, money grasping, amoral bastards who would kill you and then spit on the floor and not give a damn about your soul.

    These pictures were revolutionary towards the genre! His vision is not the western in which everything will be alright in the end, he sees the world as a brutal, harsh, unremitting place where its every man for himself, he sees goodness in men who commit murder, and cruelty in the so called 'heroes' of the old fashioned western.

    An amazing director - a true artist.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #13 - December 09, 2009, 11:14 PM

    Well, I was talking about Wallach's role in the Magnificent Seven, and I think that movie was starting to head in the direction that Leone fully realized a few years later. Specifically, though the good guy/bad guy roles were still clearly defined, it definitely was treading around the edges of moral ambiguity-- while the good guys were definitely heroic and altruistic, the bad guy did have a moral code and ultimately I think he was truer to his own code than the good guys were. The Searchers and High Noon were also a couple of pre-Leone Westerns that started to gingerly challenge the established good guy/bad guy archetypes and clear moral lines.

    But yeah, Leone really did break through the traditional archetypes and strict moralism of the Western like no other before him. Although I prefer the Wild Bunch to Leone's films, I have to acknowledge that it was really Peckinpah trying to out-Leone Leone himself, and had it not been for Sergio Leone, the Wild Bunch very well may have never been made.

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  • Re: Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns
     Reply #14 - December 11, 2009, 12:29 AM

    I freakin' love Leone's westerns.

    I honestly think The Good The Bad & The Ugly is one of the greatest movies ever made.

    I can watch The Man with No Name trilogy starring Clint Eastwood a million times and never get bored of them.

    They have the simplicity and power of parables.

    Ennio Morricone's soundtracks were genius as well.




    It's Good, but I prefer A few Dollars More, the final gun fight, the way the music blends in there beautiful, the way it starts with the chiming watch, teasing us with suspense waiting for the draw and Mortimer inevitable death and then the second watch cuts in in the nick of time, then the swirling brass leading to the inevitable climax, okay enough holes to sink the Bismark and inaccuracies by the score but you don't notice them until the film is done - that is the mark of a great film.

    But for the sheer suspense and emotion I prefer Das Boot the original cinema cut, the first film I went to with my wife, I thought anothing film but a bit of backrow cuddling, boy was I wrong, it grabbed us both by the throat and we were still talking about it when I got her homeandthat is all we talked about over coffee. Whoof! talk about powerful!
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