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 Topic: Why do some people convert so easily?

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  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     OP - January 31, 2013, 05:01 AM

    I hear Muslims boast about how successful their dawah is.
    I didn't believe them until I started talking to some fresh converts. I have even witnessed a couple of shahadas. These people knew next to nothing about Islam. One of them hadn't read a word of the quran because he was not aware that translations are available.

    Muslims tell potential converts that they could get hit by a bus tomorrow, so they might as well convert today, and learn about Islam later.This works!.
    But why would you convert to something you know nothing about?
  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #1 - January 31, 2013, 06:14 AM

    If you read your question, you've answered yourself. Because they think the simple act of 'converting' will save them from something they DO know about.. fear. Fear of hell, and fear of the unknown. Out of choosing to imagine that they could be punished for not believing, they'd better save themselves while they're still alive - quick, this guy sounds like he knows what hes talking about. Eternal torment in fire 70 times hotter than on Earth? Well on the off chance you're right, my good man, you better sign me up. I want to make sure my ass is covered  Wink
  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #2 - January 31, 2013, 06:41 AM

    Some people convert because they are easily psychologically manipulated.

    Some people convert because they got emotionally manipulated. (e.g. for marriage)

    Some people convert because they genuinely believed that Islam holds truths they can't find anywhere else.

    Some people convert because evangelical Islam (Da'wah) is an insidious tactic that targets the most vulnerable, those with low self esteem and a lack of identity or direction in life. (e.g. in prisons or gangs)

    Some people convert because they believed the propaganda that "Islam is a religion of peace" and they wanted something to be permanent, divine, infallible and somehow, for a while at least, ignored and/or were kept ignorant of the ways Islam (its mainstream versions especially) keeps people imprisoned and threatens apostates.

    Some people (some younger women especially) convert because they are trying to escape "Western" gender roles and the extreme consumerist culture in some places that pressures women to conform to ridiculous beauty standards, and they believed, for a short while at least, that Islam values them more by insisting that they cover up instead of get naked.

    Some people convert because that is what will piss off their parents, or other people who they'd like to piss off.

    Some people convert because they conflate spirituality, or a sense of connection with the universe, as being the presence of a supernatural deity.

    Some people convert because it's trendy.

    Some people convert because they support "Muslim causes" (usually Palestine), and to become Muslim is just the next step for them (especially since they receive some kinds of subtle but powerful peer pressure to convert the more they get involved in those causes).

    Some people convert because they believe they can adapt Islam to be more liberal, secular etc. That they can "reinterpret" it to be the "religion of peace" they want it to be. (e.g. often the LGBT people who convert can be understood to do it for this reason)

    Some people convert because they start to be afraid of the images and ideas about "hell" they are told await non-believers, and they feel that something they did before can be forgiven/erased/pardoned if they seek out forgiveness from Allah who is a vicious and vindictive figure in Islamic mythology.

    Some people convert because, at least for a little while, they believed Islam was truth.




    All of the above can be applied to people born into Muslim families too, especially those who grow up to become more and more dogmatic about Islam. In a sense they also "convert" to become more Muslim than before.

    I'm sure there are other reasons that I haven't articulated here.

    There is not just one kind of convert to Islam.

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  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #3 - January 31, 2013, 12:29 PM


    Muslims tell potential converts that they could get hit by a bus tomorrow, so they might as well convert today, and learn about Islam later.This works!.
    But why would you convert to something you know nothing about?


    Secret hope that a bus would hit you tomorrow.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #4 - January 31, 2013, 04:44 PM

    Some people just need religion in their lives to function. I think people like us just have the emotional and mental capability to cope with the realities of death. Which is why religious people think it's shocking that we simply aren't scared'their interpretation' of what happens if you get hit by a bus tomorrow. WHAT IF? I don't know, you don't know. Let's leave it at that.

    The joke is already on Islam, since a high number of these people either get bored and leave, or practice a sugar-coated version of Islam, that would not be considered 'true' Islam by many and are forcing a cultural shift and many tensions between what is Islamic and what is not. I feel if you're going to convert you do it 100% not 10%.

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  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #5 - January 31, 2013, 06:00 PM

    @ Allat, another fantastic post.
  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #6 - January 31, 2013, 07:18 PM

    @Crunchy CDs
    Most of the converts I know are niqabis and extremely hardcore. In fact, I'm yet to meet a normal (that is, non-extremist) convert. I find it's only the converts who do PR for Islam in the media who appear namby pamby. 
     
  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #7 - January 31, 2013, 08:47 PM

    Yeah, allat pretty much covers it

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #8 - January 31, 2013, 10:05 PM

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/derren-brown-the-specials/episode-guide/series-14/episode-4

    Quote
    Derren Brown: Fear and Faith

    In the finale of his second two-part event, Fear and Faith, Derren Brown looks at the psychology of religious belief, performs a satanic rite and attempts to give an atheist a religious conversion.


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  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #9 - January 31, 2013, 10:51 PM

    @Crunchy CDs
    Most of the converts I know are niqabis and extremely hardcore. In fact, I'm yet to meet a normal (that is, non-extremist) convert. I find it's only the converts who do PR for Islam in the media who appear namby pamby. 
     


    I was never hard core, even when I first converted.  I got a little hard core whilst living in London but quickly grew out of it after having lambasted one of my husband's friends for wearing shoes made by a company who bulldozes Palestinians, and being told that frankly, he didn't care. I realized then that I was starting to become a hypocrite and having had several unpleasant encounters with other, hardcore sister reverts I vowed never to go down that path and I never did.

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  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #10 - January 31, 2013, 11:43 PM

    I once asked a convert friend of mine why he was so cool about the whole converting thing and he said some thing along the lines of the following "I was always religious and planning to get more active about my faith(Christianity) as I got older, Islam seems more logical anyway, so it wasn't such a big step, there's also mentions of science in the Koran unlike other religious texts." That said his original reason was to marry a muslim girl.
    I think another reason some people convert, (espcially in America) granted a tiny minority is that they're are trying to rebellious and they see it as being subversive against their government. Higher profile examples of this may include the occasional rapper, like Ice Cube, and DJ Everlast and there's probably a few more knocking around. To be fair these types are some times critisised by more mainstream muslims for not being real muslims, apparently they don't properly practice the faith. I remember another muslim guy telling me Tyson wasn't a real muslim but Muhammed Ali was, although to be fair Tyson's facial tatoo kind of confirms that. Anyway now I'm just rambling so I'll stop.
  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #11 - February 01, 2013, 02:06 AM

    I stand corrected Al. *_* Media again brainwashing me >_>;
    I did also hear one the other hand converts are more hardcore about Islam since it's fresh for them. I even saw a documentary where this new convert niqabi was tediously making sure all the ladies were in a straight line when praying. I'm trying to figure out which on is the majority. On one hand I hear new converts are hardcore... but then on the other hand I hear they are hardcore for a few years then give up. Hmmmm

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  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #12 - February 01, 2013, 03:22 AM

    A good post Allat. The same people who would convert to Scientology are the ones that convert to Islam or any other religion for that matter. Its just a matter of who got to them first is all. If you're not skeptical of anything you can be convinced to believe everything

    "Knowledge is preferable to ignorance. Better by far to embrace the hard truth than a reassuring fable. If we crave some cosmic purpose, then let us find ourselves a worthy goal." - Carl Sagan
  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #13 - February 01, 2013, 03:40 AM

    one hand I hear new converts are hardcore... but then on the other hand I hear they are hardcore for a few years then give up. Hmmmm


    The correct answer is: they are hardcore. But... They are hardcore about the particular kind of islam that they got into. For example a softcore islam. So they could be hardcore softcores, (which is why, with a superficial understanding of the situation, you may think that sometimes they are not hardcores). For a few years. At most. Mostly most.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #14 - February 01, 2013, 06:43 AM

    Quote
    Some people (some younger women especially) convert because they are trying to escape "Western" gender roles and the extreme consumerist culture in some places that pressures women to conform to ridiculous beauty standards, and they believed, for a short while at least, that Islam values them more by insisting that they cover up instead of get naked.


    Every single convert Muslimah is like this^ They believe in this false dichotomy where it's either a bikini or burka, and they're all veiled. I used to go to group meetings, and you just know the ones in niqaab are white Aussies, and people are all like MASHALLAH! I don't know what they did as non-Muslims but for whatever reason, they seem to need to go to extremes to make up for it.
    I guess in these convert ladies' minds, they think anything other than wearing drapes is trashy; no concept of being classy.

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  • Why do some people convert so easily?
     Reply #15 - February 01, 2013, 11:06 AM

    Tbh, I never thought women who say stuff like that actually believed it. I was under the impression that was just PR and what they fed non-Muslims and Muslim women to try and damper Islam's horrid treatment/view of women. 
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