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  • Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     OP - January 06, 2010, 05:38 PM



    Washington (CNN) -- NASA's Hubble Space Telescope has reached back 13.2 billion years -- farther than ever before in time and space -- to reveal a "primordial population" of galaxies never seen before.

    "The deeper Hubble looks into space, the farther back in time it looks, because light takes billions of years to cross the observable universe," the Space Telescope Science Institute said in a statement released Tuesday.

    "This makes Hubble a powerful 'time machine' that allows astronomers to see galaxies as they were 13 billion years ago -- just 600 million to 800 million years after the Big Bang," the institute said in a statement released Tuesday.

    The existence of these newly found galaxies pushes back the time when galaxies began to form to before 500-600 million years after the Big Bang, the institute said.

    "These galaxies could have roots stretching into an earlier population of stars. There must be a substantial component of galaxies beyond Hubble's detection limit," according to James Dunlop of the University of Edinburgh in Scotland, who was quoted in the release.

    Members of the American Astronomical Society are meeting this week in Washington to review the data and images retrieved by Hubble's new infrared Wide Field Camera 3 (WFC3), which was installed in May, institute spokesman Ray Villard told CNN. Some of the images were shared with the public in September.

    The camera, Villard said, is far superior to the previous camera, which could only see galaxies about 900 million years after the Big Bang -- the cosmic explosion that is theorized to mark the origin of the universe.

    But it is reaching its limits, he said. A more powerful instrument, the James Webb Space Telescope, is planned for launch in 2014. It will allow astronomers to study the detailed nature of early galaxies and discover many more even farther away.

    From the current cache of images, astronomers can see for the first time that "galaxies grew from small, bright clusters of stars to the big spiral cities of stars today," Villard said. The small galaxies show up as ultra-blue in color.

    He likened the Hubble results to "looking through a scrapbook of baby pictures."

    According to the institute, "the deep observations also demonstrate the progressive buildup of galaxies and provide further support for the hierarchical model of galaxy assembly, where small objects ... merge to form bigger objects over a smooth and steady but dramatic process of collision and agglomeration. It's like streams merging into tributaries and then into a bay."

    The camera was pointed at a section of sky known as the Hubble Ultra Deep Field, which was initially surveyed in visible light in 2004, and showed a dark sky filled with more than 10,000 galaxies.

    The WFC3 instrument repeated the exercise in August for infrared light. Some mosaics were formed with the images from both surveys.

    According to Villard, the archive from Hubble contains more than 500,000 pictures that can be accessed by the world's 6,000 astronomers. The data from the Ultra Deep Field have been analyzed by at least five international teams of astronomers, he said.


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    Source: http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/space/01/05/hubble.new.galaxies/index.html?eref=rss_world&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_world+%28RSS%3A+World%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

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  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #1 - January 06, 2010, 06:14 PM

    hasnt hubble already produced these photos?

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  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #2 - January 06, 2010, 06:28 PM

    It is on CNN now. I really can't comprehend the looking back in time thingy. Can anyone here tell me how exactly is Hubble a time machine?  Huh?

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  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #3 - January 06, 2010, 06:33 PM

    Hubble isn't a time machine. Its to do with the nature of light. Everything we see with our eyes or man-made devices are reflections of light. Light has a finite speed, so what we see is actually an image of whatever was reflected at that moment. Up close this doesn't matter since light is practically instantaneous.

    But when you start going past a certain distance it matters. For example, the closest star is Alpha Centauri, it's about 4 light years away. What that means is that it takes 4 years for light from Alpha Centauri to reach our eyes and telescopes on earth. So if you took a powerful telescope and look at Alpha Centauri, you're actually seeing what it was like 4 years ago.. NOT right now.

    So basically, the farther objects are, the more back into time you're actually looking.

    http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/cosmology/lightspeed.html

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  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #4 - January 06, 2010, 07:02 PM

    What's the furthest back in time we can actually look?
  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #5 - January 06, 2010, 07:04 PM

    The OP article actually is exactly about that:

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    NASA's Hubble Space Telescope has reached back 13.2 billion years -- farther than ever before in time and space -- to reveal a "primordial population" of galaxies never seen before.


    So 13.2 Billion years is the farthest into time we've looked back.

    I believe thats also near the age of the universe.

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  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #6 - January 06, 2010, 07:10 PM

    I mean without the limitations of our current technology, what is the furthest back we can ever look when we have made the greatest telescope ever? That picture is 500-600,000 years after the big bang, how close can we get to the actual big bang?
  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #7 - January 06, 2010, 07:12 PM

    The furthest point we can look back to is when time=0, and so this is pretty much it.

    (after the big bang, i.e. t=0, the glalaxies moved away at light speed, so when we look back from here we see the light from them that left 13.2 billion years ago)




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  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #8 - January 06, 2010, 07:15 PM

    I mean without the limitations of our current technology, what is the furthest back we can ever look when we have made the greatest telescope ever? That picture is 500-600,000 years after the big bang, how close can we get to the actual big bang?

    Good question, anyone hazard a guess?

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  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #9 - January 06, 2010, 07:20 PM

    Good question. Not sure either. I'm guessing anything that emanated light (or any waveform) that has reached earth can be looked at. Theoretically...

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  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #10 - January 06, 2010, 08:10 PM

    It is on CNN now. I really can't comprehend the looking back in time thingy. Can anyone here tell me how exactly is Hubble a time machine?  Huh?


    that is the light traveling from 13.5 billion years ago that you are now seeing today

    Just like the sunlight rays in Earth is 8 minutes late. The light you see in earth has taken 8 minutes to reach earth. So if you observe that light, it means that you looking at things that happened 8 minutes ago.

    Likewise scientists can see from the 13.5 billion years ago light waves how the Universe was in the beginning.  The compare it our present times and see how the Universe is changing
  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #11 - January 06, 2010, 08:21 PM

    And they say God created this? That's just plain stupid!

    If God created earth, why on earth he created all those galaxies? What a waste!

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  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #12 - January 06, 2010, 08:43 PM

    That picture is 500-600,000 years after the big bang, how close can we get to the actual big bang?

    I guess that the furthest back we could see is as far back as there is stuff to see - i.e.  the formation of stars - which happened c. 400 Million years after the big bang (according to Wikipedia)  .  Enough time for all the initial particles to cool down, start forming atoms, coalescing into clouds and then stars.
  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #13 - January 06, 2010, 08:44 PM

    And they say God created this? That's just plain stupid!

    If God created earth, why on earth he created all those galaxies? What a waste!

    Perhaps he knew we'd like chocolate .  Personally I prefer Aeros .

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  • Re: Hubble peers back 13.2 billion years, finds 'primordial' galaxies
     Reply #14 - January 06, 2010, 09:02 PM

    Perhaps he knew we'd like chocolate .  Personally I prefer Aeros .

     Cheesy

    Regarding the looking back in time thingy. I always find it amazing when looking at the stars, that what I am actually seeing might have partially already vanished millions of years ago.  Wink

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

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