Why don't all these disaffected Brits convert to Christianity instead?

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Why don't all these disaffected Brits convert to Christianity instead?
OP - December 23, 2011, 05:46 PM

"Why is it that the young folk revolted by contemporary excess don’t simply make for the local CofE, or Catholic church, and rediscover the religion of their grandmothers, rather than getting their spirituality via Islam? It is, I think, something to do with the real malaise of contemporary Britain. "

http://www.spectator.co.uk/faithbased/6603308/why-dont-all-these-disaffected-brits-convert-to-christianity-instead.thtml.

>>>>>Where the Faith Matters report is convincing is in its interviews with real converts, of whom Lauren Booth seems typical, though rather older than the average, which is aged 27, female, white and fed up with the mores of contemporary Brits. The interviewees identified alcohol and drunkenness, a “lack of morality and sexual permissiveness” and “unrestrained consumerism” as aspects of British society for which Islam was a remedy. Or as Ms Booth put it, after conversion to Islam, “I have glimpsed the great lie that is the facade of our modern lives; that materialism, consumerism, sex and drugs will give us lasting happiness.” <<<<

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Re: Why don't all these disaffected Brits convert to Christianity instead?
Reply #1 - December 23, 2011, 11:25 PM

if you read the comments to this article you will find this little gem

>>>>What "young Brits are almost conditioned not to hear" and for that matter, older Brits too, is anything about the
Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain. These are Muslim born Brits who claim their human right to have no religion. Naturally the BBC will not run a programme on this so how about the Spectator filling the gap?<<<<

Fame.

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Reply #2 - December 24, 2011, 12:25 PM

They do convert to Christianity, especially Pentecostal and evangelical churches which are growing. The dawaganda of Lauren Booth is just about Islam's oppositional dawah effort, and its appeal lies less in a notion of the flaws of our society, than of a theo-political identity that can be clung to, and a wider kaffar culture that can be derided and demonised.

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Re: Why don't all these disaffected Brits convert to Christianity instead?
Reply #3 - December 24, 2011, 12:28 PM

... because whilst Islam is a 9.8 on the bullshit-o-meter Christianity is a 9.9...

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Reply #4 - December 24, 2011, 10:01 PM

Yes because every Muslim/Christian is a perfect angel. Just labeling yourself a Muslim/Christian and wearing some article of clothing does not make you a saint. It just makes you more self aware of your actions, because your paranoid of an invisible force ready to strike you at any moment.

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when you go to heaven, you get all which is considered sin on earth including/ especially all your sexual fantasies fulfilled, and all the pleasures you want, for all eternity as your reward.

My other favorite irony. Islam makes a big deal out of the West's alcohol culture while Afghanistan is allowed to continue it's drug cultivation. My friend who was at a base in Afghanistan said the local Afghanistan soldiers there were always high.

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Reply #5 - December 24, 2011, 10:59 PM

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Yes because every Muslim/Christian is a perfect angel. Just labeling yourself a Muslim/Christian and wearing some article of clothing does not make you a saint.

I wouldn't personally know, but there is a view that these 'reverts' lol are more zealous/active/spiritual in their practice than those unfortunate to be born into a religion that makes it so hard for you to renounce. A bloke reverting though has its worries, he is capable of doing damage to society, I mean there is a possibility for the likes Germaine Lindsay, part of 7/7 to rise. On the other hand females who convert, even allowing for some-ill-effects, are generally good for society.

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It just makes you more self aware of your actions, because your paranoid of an invisible force ready to strike you at any moment.

Hyperbole much?

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when you go to heaven, you get all which is considered sin on earth including/ especially all your sexual fantasies fulfilled, and all the pleasures you want, for all eternity as your reward.

It's called marketing.

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My other favorite irony. Islam makes a big deal out of the West's alcohol culture

Plenty of organisations make a big deal out of the West's alcohol culture. Not that I am calling out for prohibition lol.

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while Afghanistan is allowed to continue it's drug cultivation. My friend who was at a base in Afghanistan said the local Afghanistan soldiers there were always high.

Lol. Where do you think all that crop grows there in the first place, because of the demand from the West. Unfortunately now more and more of the locals are getting hooked. But they wouldn't grow it at all if it wasn't worth what it was on the streets of West.

If you are going to talk about misery inflicted by drugs, you dont have to look much further than the American 'cigarette'. Biggest drug dealers the world has known.

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Reply #6 - December 24, 2011, 11:09 PM

Quote from: devilsadvokat on December 24, 2011, 10:59 PM
On the other hand females who convert, even allowing for some-ill-effects, are generally good for society.

LOL... riiiiiiight. And why do you believe that?

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Reply #7 - December 24, 2011, 11:24 PM

^^

I imagine that if the report in the article is true and it's because of their dislike to permissiveness/alcohol intake/consumerism , (is that western happening culture in a nutshell, to some perhap )that they convert, that must mean they have problems with these reasons and rather than becoming casualties, they use the 'crutch' of Islam to avert from sort of personal crises. To me that would mean less burden on society.

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Reply #8 - December 24, 2011, 11:34 PM

Quote from: devilsadvokat on December 24, 2011, 11:24 PM
^^

I imagine that if the report in the article is true and it's because of their dislike to permissiveness/alcohol intake/consumerism , (is that western happening culture in a nutshell, to some perhap )that they convert, that must mean they have problems with these reasons and rather than becoming casualties, they use the 'crutch' of Islam to avert from sort of personal crises. To me that would mean less burden on society.

Whatever issues "western culture" may have, women, and men, who convert or embrace a more traditionalist version of a patriarchal, outdated religious dogma are basically lacking in imagination or courage to actually challenge those issues. Those people are casualties because they have succumbed to one exploitative system in order to escape another exploitative system. Lots of people manage to find ways to live their lives without clinging on to either side of the false dichotomy of "permissiveness" vs. "piousness".

Besides, are you saying that it is women's "permissiveness", alcohol intake, consumerism that is a "burden on society" and that when men do those things, society remains unburdened?

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Reply #9 - December 24, 2011, 11:38 PM

Millions of people in British / western society reject certain aspects of that society like (as they see it) the permissive culture, gay marriage and so on - they are called conservatives (with a small 'c'), or liberals with a cultural circumspect aspect.

They don't make an aggressive theo-political replacent identity out of it. Which public dawah hooting is all about, for various dawahgandists* and their bullshit.

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Reply #10 - December 24, 2011, 11:46 PM

Yep. And those people who converted but who were not actually socially regressive, i.e. who were misinformed about what they were getting into, usually end up deconverting later, as many of the ex-converts on this forum exemplify.

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Reply #11 - December 25, 2011, 12:07 AM

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version of a patriarchal, outdated religious dogma

Hence my use of the words 'ill-effects'.

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Those people are casualties because they have succumbed to one exploitative system in order to escape another exploitative system

I see that, perhaps I should have said 'bigger' casualties.

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Lots of people manage to find ways to live their lives without clinging on to either side of the false dichotomy of "permissiveness" vs. "piousness".

No denying that, but lots don't, and feel the need to be pious to avoid permissiveness.

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Besides, are you saying that it is women's "permissiveness", alcohol intake, consumerism that is a "burden on society" and that when men do those things, society remains unburdened?

It does sound like it lol. I think what it is, is that if your a casualty of society and happen to be male, Islam is appealing for the wrong reasons.

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Reply #12 - December 25, 2011, 12:09 AM

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They don't make an aggressive theo-political replacent identity out of it. Which public dawah hooting is all about, for various dawahgandists* and their bullshit.

But that's usually the men.

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Reply #13 - December 26, 2011, 12:05 PM

Quote from: allat on December 24, 2011, 11:46 PM
Yep. And those people who converted but who were not actually socially regressive, i.e. who were misinformed about what they were getting into, usually end up deconverting later, as many of the ex-converts on this forum exemplify.

Exactly correct

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Reply #14 - December 26, 2011, 12:06 PM

Quote from: devilsadvokat on December 25, 2011, 12:09 AM
But that's usually the men.

Nope - dawahganda in the west increasingly focusses their lies on women, and have women like the dunce Lauren Booth as their pre-eminent poster children, for various reasons.

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Reply #15 - December 26, 2011, 09:28 PM

I always wondered: if you were drinking too much and having casual sex as a christian , why turn to Islam for remedy? Why don't people try to resolve these issues within themselves with a little help from therapist, friends, psychiatrists?

The other thing that i find funny is this; people love to blame society for their misbehaviour, you know, when parents say; my kid ended up with bad people, they made him do drugs, drink, etc...

Where is the personal responsibility?

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Reply #16 - December 26, 2011, 10:51 PM

Quote from: Merry_Squirell on December 26, 2011, 09:28 PM
I always wondered: if you were drinking too much and having casual sex as a christian , why turn to Islam for remedy? Why don't people try to resolve these issues within themselves with a little help from therapist, friends, psychiatrists?

That doesn't help such people.. they need beatings/slapping every day and need to be controlled... For them Having freedom means drink heavily and go for casual sex wherever they can find .. it could be hole or wooden nail in the wall.. .. Yes they need Islam and they need Burkha for some time in their life..

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Le-bkMevLw

Hei...what .. every one is crying.. what is the problem.. crazy nuts...

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Reply #17 - December 26, 2011, 11:12 PM

Spot on yeezevee.

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Reply #18 - December 27, 2011, 12:55 AM

Quote from: allat on December 24, 2011, 11:46 PM
Yep. And those people who converted but who were not actually socially regressive, i.e. who were misinformed about what they were getting into, usually end up deconverting later, as many of the ex-converts on this forum exemplify.

I TESTIFY THIS IS TRUTH!!! lol

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