Policing yourself!

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- cosmicdancer
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Policing yourself!
OP - February 01, 2011, 06:09 PM

When you were a Muslim did you counter your very valid doubts, by policing yourself to get back into line?

The thought came to me when I posted this verse - and realised that I used it and other verses hadith etc... to try and dissuade myself from rejecting Islam!

The Qur'an is quite a magnificient book in some ways - it really covers all the psychological bases to ensure that once in - you STAY in - making sure that you will police yourself!

"And there are some men who worship Allah upon an edge - if some good comes to them, they are content; and if some trial comes, they turn way upon their faces; a loss of this world and the Hereafter; and this is the complete loss." (Hajj 22:11)
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Re: Policing yourself!
Reply #1 - February 01, 2011, 07:09 PM

Interesting, I remember you thinking about that verse in some of your blogs. No doubt about it: Any ex-Muslim ought to have thought about that verse..However, also considering the asbab-i nuzul, this verse pretty much says nothing.
I mean: The Qur'an supposedly being a book of eternal truth, of universal values etc; there isn't a SINGLE verse which even comes close as qualifying for being an "evidence",- yet it wastes ayats upon ayats how MUBEEN the ayats are, how former qawim's rejected the again CLEAR proofs etc, and how the kuffaar will be punished YET it fails miserably in even attempting to give those clear evidenced..

For the moment, - forget about inshiqaq-i qamer, talking stones, mi'raj(and how (in some hadith I heared) he was able to correctly describe masjid-i aqsa to the tiniest details..) Forget about those "real" miracles: Because those miracles don't mean anything for us, as someone now needs again to have faith that these miracles indeed happened.
Indeed, - we being non Muslims reject all those claims, dismiss it as being da'eef, or exaggerated..
As coming to your question: OFCOURSE I tried to preserve my faith: It's ofcourse not about fear of Hell persee, but just solely the quest for the Truth,- it'd be very unfortunate if you had repudiated the truth while you were in fact grown up in it. However, countering your doubts only has the opposite effect ofcourse.
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Re: Policing yourself!
Reply #2 - February 01, 2011, 07:24 PM

Quote from: Hassan on February 01, 2011, 06:09 PM

"And there are some men who worship Allah upon an edge - if some good comes to them, they are content; and if some trial comes, they turn way upon their faces; a loss of this world and the Hereafter; and this is the complete loss." (Hajj 22:11)

what is new in that? Self policing or Self control is highlighted in every religion that was there before Quran..

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Judaism. Mishnah, Abot 4.1 : Who is strong? He who controls his passions.

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Timothy 1: For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline.

Mark 7 Then he called the crowd again and said to them, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand.7:15 There is nothing outside of a person that is able to make him unclean by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that makes him unclean.”

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Buddhism:

With the conquest of my mind, I have conquered the whole world.

Difficult to conquer is oneself; but when that is conquered, everything is conquered.

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Hinduism Gita 5.23 :

That man is disciplined and happy who can prevail over the turmoil That springs from desire and anger, here on earth, before he leaves his body.

Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything
I renounced my faith to become a kafir,
the beloved betrayed me and turned in to a Muslim
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