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  • Instruments of torture
     OP - November 29, 2010, 09:31 PM

    Source: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/the-instruments-of-torture

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    The Inquisition in Cartagena, Colombia lasted from 1610 until (with sporadic interruptions) 1821. Some of the instruments used to extract confessions from heretics are on display at the Palace of the Inquisition.


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    The heretic’s fork was a torture device, loosely consisting of a length of metal with two opposed bi-pronged “forks” as well as an attached belt or strap. The device was placed between the breast bone and throat just under the chin and secured with a leather strap around the neck, while the victim was hung from the ceiling or otherwise suspended in a way so that they could not lie down. A person wearing it couldn’t fall asleep. The moment their head dropped with fatigue, the prongs pierced their throat or chest, causing great pain.This very simple instrument created long periods of sleep deprivation. People were awake for days, which made confessions more likely.  Traditionally, the fork was engraved with the Latin word abiuro(meaning “I recant”), and was used by the various Inquisitions.


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    The rack is a torture device consisting of a rectangular, usually wooden frame, slightly raised from the ground, with a roller at one, or both, ends, having at one end a fixed bar to which the legs were fastened, and at the other a movable bar to which the hands were tied. The victim’s ankles are fastened to one roller, and the wrists are chained to the other.  As the interrogation progresses, a handle and ratchet attached to the top roller are used to very gradually stepwise increase the tension on the chains, inducing excruciating pain. By means of pulleys and levers this roller could be rotated on its own axis, thus straining the ropes until the sufferer’s joints were dislocated and eventually separated. Additionally, if muscle fibers are stretched excessively, they lose their ability to contract, rendering them ineffective.One gruesome aspect of being stretched too far on the rack is the loud popping noises made by snapping cartilage, ligaments, or bones. One powerful method for putting pressure upon prisoners was to force them to watch someone else being subjected to the rack.


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    Used as a way to punish women, the breast ripper was a painful and cruel way to mutilate a woman’s breasts.  This instrument was mostly reserved for women accused of conducting a miscarriage or those accused of adultery.  The claws were used either hot or cold on the victim’s exposed breasts. If the victim wasn’t killed she would be scarred for life as her breasts were literally torn apart.  A common variant of the breast ripper is often referred to as “The Spider” which is a similar instrument attached to a wall. The victim’s breasts were fixed to the claws and the woman was pulled by the torturer away from the wall; successfully removing them.


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    There is not much that need be said after having examined the accompanying illustrations. The saw here on view is antique but cannot be associated specifically with the homonymous torture, a process that can be carried out with any large-toothed, four-handed woodsman’s saw. The present example is such a one, and certainly a couple of centuries old, or more.  History abounds in martyrs –religious, lay and antireligious– who suffered this fate, one that may be worse even than being burnt at the stake with a slow, small fire, or being dipped into boiling oil. Owing to his inverted position, which assures ample oxygenation of the brain and impedes the general loss of blood, the victim does not lose consciousness until the saw reaches the navel –and even the breast, if one is to believe accounts of the early eighteen-hundreds.


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    The garrote particularly refers to the execution device used by the Spaniards until as recently as 1974. In Spain, it was abolished, as well as the death penalty, in 1978 with the new constitution. Originally, it was an execution where the convict was killed by hitting him with a club (garrote in Spanish). Later, it was refined and consisted of a seat to restrain the condemned person, while the executioner tightened a metal band around his/her neck with a crank or a wheel until suffocation of the condemned person was accomplished.  Some versions of this device incorporated a fixed metal blade or spike directed at the spinal cord to hasten the breaking of the neck. [This version had an attachment to pierce the spinal cord.]


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    The head crusher was widely used during most of the Middle Ages, especially the Inquisition. With the chin placed over the bottom bar and the head under the upper cap, the torturer slowly turned the screw pressing the bar against the cap.  This resulted in the head being slowly compressed. First the teeth are shattered into the jaw; then the victim slowly died with agonizing pain, but not before his eyes were squeezed from his sockets.  This instrument was a formidable way to extract confessions from victims as the period of pain could be prolonged for many hours if the torturer chose to. This could be done by repeatedly turning the screw both ways.  If the torture was stopped midway, the victim often had irreparable damage done to the brain, jaw or eyes.  Many variants of this instrument existed, some that had small containers in front of the eyes to receive them as they fell out of their sockets.


    Source: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/the-instruments-of-torture


    Human sacrifices, animal sacrifices, suicide bombings, witch-burnings, pedophilia, torture and divine justifications for genocides and politics. Religion: ain't it grand.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Instruments of torture
     Reply #1 - November 29, 2010, 09:33 PM

    Allat, haven't seen you in a while.

    How have you been?

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Instruments of torture
     Reply #2 - November 29, 2010, 09:36 PM

    Hey HJL Smiley I'm around, just been busy with a lot of school work and work work - am generally taking a break from internet posting, but thought I'd share this piece as it relates to religion and may give us all some perspective about where Islam is now and where Christianity was not too long ago.


    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Instruments of torture
     Reply #3 - November 29, 2010, 09:42 PM

    The thing about 'instruments of torture' is that there is almost no evidence that any of these things ever existed at the claimed time period and equal lacks of evidence that they were ever used.
    (We're talking about VERY limited occasions here)

    Back in the 19th century, museums of this nature were popular, this is when most of these devices were created and as well as the old illustrations of their supposed previous use that we see today.

    It's very similar to the idea of the 'wild west' with an idea that major gun fights broke out at any given moment...the reality is that in many of these places, you're more likely to be shot at now than back then.



    History likes to paint a picture that says 'look, we've progressed'
    Unfortunately, we haven't as much as people presume.



    Examples:
    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Spanish_Inquisition#The_trial   ([30] onwards)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choke_pear_(torture)   (museum pieces area)
  • Re: Instruments of torture
     Reply #4 - November 29, 2010, 09:49 PM

    Disagree with the notion that these and other instruments didn't exist or were rarely used in medieval europe.

    There's lots of historical documentation to prove that they did exist and were used widely even before the "Inquisition" for political and religious reasons, but were systematically employed by the Inquisition to torture dissenters, Jews, Muslims, pagans, and anyone else they just didn't like.

    Some more sources:
    http://www.exposingchristianity.com/Inquisition.html
    http://history.howstuffworks.com/european-history/spanish-inquisition3.htm
    http://www.medievality.com/torture.html
    http://www.corvalliscommunitypages.com/Europe/jesuits_saints_inquisition_reformation/an_inquisition_torture_session.htm
    http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/11/03/this-date-in-history-use-of-torture-by-the-inquisition.htm
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08026a.htm (That's the Catholic Encyclopedia which is the only source among these that claims that torture was used "occasionally")

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Instruments of torture
     Reply #5 - November 29, 2010, 09:52 PM

    Hey HJL Smiley I'm around, just been busy with a lot of school work and work work - am generally taking a break from internet posting, but thought I'd share this piece as it relates to religion and may give us all some perspective about where Islam is now and where Christianity was not too long ago.




    At least have your priorities correctly sorted Afro

    I can't seem to avoid COEM nowadays.

    Brutal stuff btw. Christianity does have a very bloody past but these grimmacing details bring to light the true extent of the bloodshed and pain.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Instruments of torture
     Reply #6 - November 29, 2010, 09:55 PM

    Here is an example of the your source claims of instruments in comparison with the origins and evidential use of them:

    culla di Giuda
    "The Judas Cradle is falsely attributed to the Spanish Inquisition. These origins are disputed by all serious historians of the Inquisition.[by whom?] There is no documentary evidence for the device existing at all during the Middle Ages."

    Iron maiden chair
    "The Nuremberg iron maiden was actually built in the 19th century as a probable misinterpretation of a medieval "Schandmantel" ("cloak of shame"), which was made of wood and tin but without spikes."

    The Pear of Anguish
    "Further mentions of the device appear in the 19th century. They are also mentioned in Grose's Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue (1811) as "Choak Pears," and described as being "formerly used in Holland."

    "There is no contemporary first-hand account of those devices or their use. The earliest mention is in F. de Calvi's L'Inventaire général de l'histoire des larrons "

    Witch Burning
    "The following is the list of the twelve persons who were executed for witchcraft in New England before 1692..."

    If you look at the illustrations alongside almost all torture devices, you will see they are identical in their apperance and assumed age.


    (I could also list the total recorded deaths per year for Tombstone Arizona being roughly the same as today as in the wild west era and Billy the Kid only actually having 4 kills etc etc)



    Im not arguing that torture and devices weren't used- they obviously were, Im arguing that almost all of them are fabrications, do not correlate with the time period attributed to them and many were used for extracting information, rather than primarily for death, as assumed by the Museums who house them.

    Most are just entertainment constructions.
  • Re: Instruments of torture
     Reply #7 - November 29, 2010, 09:56 PM

    History likes to paint a picture that says 'look, we've progressed'
    Unfortunately, we haven't as much as people presume.


    I can agree with this part, though it requires contextualizing what we mean by history, whose history, what place's history, etc. and what we mean by progress. Torture tactics have been used by virtually all human groups throughout history for various purposes. Today, these things are looked down upon and actively protested in some parts of the world, which I suppose is some progress.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Instruments of torture
     Reply #8 - November 29, 2010, 10:16 PM

    Im not arguing that torture and devices weren't used- they obviously were, Im arguing that almost all of them are fabrications, do not correlate with the time period attributed to them and many were used for extracting information, rather than primarily for death, as assumed by the Museums who house them.


    There may be specific ones that were imagined up later, though I haven't seen any credible evidence to suggest that (wiki articles can be easily edited by anyone, we would need to consult the sourced archaeological and historical objects, studies, drawings etc.). And there are lots of drawings and written accounts from the period that provide evidence of the types and the scale of torture that was used by Christian/Catholic Inquisitors to force "confessions" out of heretics. Those objects in the OP that are replicas would be based on that evidence from the period, though I can accept that there may be historical muddling among the actual objects, but it doesn't take away from a really fucked part of human history, again justified by religion. Interesting that the museum that houses the objects pictured in the OP is called "The Palace of the Inquisition" - quite the name...

    On a lighter note:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oppHeMlaLVM

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Instruments of torture
     Reply #9 - November 29, 2010, 10:18 PM

    At least have your priorities correctly sorted Afro

    I can't seem to avoid COEM nowadays.


    It's quite tough to stay away from this place Wink But I paid for school with loans that are now around my neck like a torture device that'll snap if I don't make it a worthwhile endeavour, so that keeps me motivated grin12

    Brutal stuff btw. Christianity does have a very bloody past but these grimmacing details bring to light the true extent of the bloodshed and pain.


    Yeah, it's good to get some perspective now and then.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
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