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  • Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     OP - December 01, 2010, 11:53 AM

    My apologies, for like me i know there may be others who find the subject of "death" a disturbing one, but since declaring my apostasy on CEMB and even to a non religious christian friend, questions that i have neglected for about two years started poping up. truth be told i kind of felt better ignoring god related questions for that while yet having been around a month since joining up on CEMB i am thankful for science showing me the truth, yet dissapointed that religion has lied to me for 30 years of my life.

    Death in islam is explained to be as difficult as passing of a camel through an eye of a sewing needle, and a Kafir dies a painful, agonising death,even a faithful muslim will be subject to the pain of the soul leaving the body as the prophet himself experienced.

    common things to be heard is a bad muslim who never prayed turned black in color shortly after death, a few actually turn to a Kafir on their death bed, as at the time experiencing death "iblis" comes to you promising to keep you alive if you apostate...and the dying, saving themselves of the inflicted pain actually apostate right before their death.

    some claim that the faces of men of faith emit a glow even after death....and quite a bit of stories you would hear in an islamic country.

    what muslims claim that a kafir can never die a peaceful death....

    so has science shown us any  difference between the death of a muslim and a non muslim?

     

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #1 - December 01, 2010, 11:58 AM

    No.
  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #2 - December 01, 2010, 12:03 PM

    No. Any stories of Iblis coming to you when you die are false.

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #3 - December 01, 2010, 12:04 PM

    what muslims claim that a kafir can never die a peaceful death....

    so has science shown us any  difference between the death of a muslim and a non muslim?

     


    That you even ask that question shows how deeply and residually the absurdities (and horrible absurdities) of Islam can persist, even in one who rejects them.


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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #4 - December 01, 2010, 12:04 PM

    what muslims claim that a kafir can never die a peaceful death....

    so has science shown us any  difference between the death of a muslim and a non muslim?

     

    what do you think?

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #5 - December 01, 2010, 12:16 PM

     and a Kafir dies a painful, agonising death.....


    what muslims claim that a kafir can never die a peaceful death....

    so has science shown us any  difference between the death of a muslim and a non muslim?

    Well,   We should read the history of Islam and see how dedicated Muslims like Caliphs and and even Muhammad PBUH  what they did and   how they died??   was it painful death??

    on that subject it is worth reading chapter 60   and its Tafsir.

    http://quran-tafsir.org/mumthaina.pdf

    These 13 statements of Allah speaks volumes of hate against Kafirs
    Quote
    060.001: O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends: would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord? If you go forth struggling hard in My path and seeking My pleasure, would you manifest love to them? And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path.

    060.002: If they find you, they will be your enemies, and will stretch forth towards you their hands and their tongues with evil, and they ardently desire that you may disbelieve.

    060.003: Your relationship would not profit you, nor your children on the day of resurrection; He will decide between you; and Allah sees what you do.

    060.004: Indeed, there is for you a good example in Ibrahim and those with him when they said to their people: Surely we are clear of you and of what you serve besides Allah; we declare ourselves to be clear of you, and enmity and hatred have appeared between us and you forever until you believe in Allah alone-- but not in what Ibrahim said to his father: I would certainly ask forgiveness for you, and I do not control for you aught from Allah-- Our Lord! on Thee do we rely, and to Thee do we turn, and to Thee is the eventual coming:

    060.005: Our Lord! do not make us a trial for those who disbelieve, and forgive us, our Lord! surely Thou art the Mighty, the Wise.

    060.006: Certainly there is for you in them a good example, for him who fears Allah and the last day; and whoever turns back, then surely Allah is the Self-sufficient, the Praised.

    060.007: It may be that Allah will bring about friendship between you and those whom you hold to be your enemies among them; and Allah is Powerful; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    060.008: Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.

    060.009: Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.

    060.010: O you who believe! when believing women come to you flying, then examine them; Allah knows best their faith; then if you find them to be believing women, do not send them back to the unbelievers, neither are these (women) lawful for them, nor are those (men) lawful for them, and give them what they have spent; and no blame attaches to you in marrying them when you give them their dowries; and hold not to the ties of marriage of unbelieving women, and ask for what you have spent, and kt them ask for what they have spent. That is Allah's judgment; He judges between you, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

    060.011: And if anything (out of the dowries) of your wives has passed away from you to the unbelievers, then your turn comes, give to those whose wives have gone away the like of what they have spent, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah in Whom you believe.

    060.012: O Prophet! when believing women come to you giving you a pledge that they will not associate aught with Allah, and will not steal, and will not commit fornication, and will not kill their children, and will not bring a calumny which they have forged of themselves, and will not disobey you in what is good, accept their pledge, and ask forgiveness for them from Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    060.013: O you who believe! do not make friends with a people with whom Allah is wroth; indeed they despair of the hereafter as the unbelievers despair of those in tombs.

    and welcome to CEMB dear "I quit"

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #6 - December 01, 2010, 01:26 PM

    what do you think?


    i do not believe that, but would love to throw something proven scientifically into their faces when the topic arrises (online of course  Smiley  ) just been browsing the arabic forums, sadly it is one sided against atheists, on one side are the religious people claiming their righteousness over Atheists and on the other hand are the normal folks nodding in approval, obviously they arnt smart or just plain scared to question.

    remember the hadith on eating six ajwa dates and not being affected by poison, i was just reading through that on the arabic forums where they claim it has been scientifically proven, some research done in jordan that prove the effectiveness of the dates against poisons. i have a good mind to challenge them....you bring the dates, i bring the cobra....or are you doubtful?  Smiley

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #7 - December 01, 2010, 01:33 PM

    That you even ask that question shows how deeply and residually the absurdities (and horrible absurdities) of Islam can persist, even in one who rejects them.





    agreed, widthrawal symptoms are not easy for those absurdities are deep rooted......life was easier when i just neglected Islam as compared to now....i feel funny, weired, depression kicking in?



    God is not great:

    in a muslim country, seeing intelligent,educated people make these claims make you question,the stories of the common folk are even worse!


    yeezevee,  thank you.

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #8 - December 01, 2010, 01:52 PM

    got this on an islamic forum and used google translate, not clear though, will try to post the correct translation later.

    If a person infidel in the novel immoral if it is in a break from the world and the Hereafter, there come down to him from heaven, angels, stern and black faces, with surveys of the fire Vijlson him hyperopia and then comes the king of death until he sits down at his head and says: O Malignant Self come out to the wrath of God and the anger he said: scattered in the body Ventzaaha also clinch Ambassod many people from the wool wet cut off her veins and nerve reviled by every king of heaven and earth, and all the angels in heaven and close the doors of heaven, not from the people of the door but they pray to God not to ascend unto the spirit of them, takes it, if taken did not invite them in his hand blink of an eye even make them in those surveys and out of Kontn Wind carcass found on the face of the earth ascend by not passing them on to fill one of the angels, but they said: What is this spirit of evil and say: So and so demonizing the Knight, which was called in the world until ends to the lowest heaven opening du'aa him not open it and then read the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him:
    (Do not open the gates of heaven will not enter Paradise until the camel goes in the needle)
    Almighty Allah says: Just write a prisoner in his book Earth in the lower and then said: Abdi returned to the land I promised them that I created them and where Oaidhm, and which brought them out at other times while providing his soul from heaven, put forward until you fall in the body and then read:
    (It involves God as if he has fallen from the sky Vtaktefh birds or come down by the wind in the place of immemorial) Vtaad his soul in his body, he said: he heard whipping the soles of his companions if they turn him.
    And two angels come to him severe rebuke Venthranh Ijlsanh and say to him from your Lord says: Huh huh say to him I do not know what your religion says: huh huh I do not know and say: What you say about this man who sent you there is no guide to his name, said: Muhammad! Says: huh huh I do not know, I heard people say that it will be said: I do not Drut and Avinade out from heaven that has lied Vovrashwa of the fire and open a gate to Hell Viote of heat and toxins, and narrows his grave until the ribs are different and come to him


    posted that quick as wife walked in to the house, getting caught doin this requires ar more justification than watching porn lol

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #9 - December 03, 2010, 07:03 AM

    Quote
    so has science shown us any  difference between the death of a muslim and a non muslim?


    No offense, but what kind of stupid question is that?

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #10 - December 03, 2010, 07:47 AM

    Well the Kuffar seem to have a higher per capita income and some of them have universal health care ...................... which raises the quality of life and longevity of the Kuffar.  Basically the model that there is a difference between the Kuffar and Muslims is hugely flawed. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #11 - December 03, 2010, 10:21 AM

    No offense, but what kind of stupid question is that?


    none taken,

    seeing the shit religion and middle eastern culture threw at me all these years i found the answers to a lot of stupid questions myself. but sitting among muslims hearing talk of people on their death bed is very disturbing, as much as i do not agree with what they say, i had to ask people of knowledge as any scientific study on the matter would keep my mind at rest, regardless how stupid the question may seem.

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #12 - December 03, 2010, 12:15 PM

    Quote
    the shit religion ......threw at me all these years i found the answers to a lot of stupid questions myself


    Good you realized it just in time! BTW Islam screwed middle eastern culture. I was surprised to know that there was an arab culture pre islam,but then this evil cult usurped its identity. Left on its own I am sure it would have evolved and become modern, but unfortunately this dead weight has contributed to ME culture being caught in a time warp.

    Quote
    i had to ask people of knowledge as any scientific study on the matter would keep my mind at rest, regardless how stupid the question may seem.


    A common sense answer would be NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL.Death is one of those things in nature over which we have no control, a brainwashed believer is as likely to die a horrible death as a non believer. The only difference is a believer will have sorts of BS justifications for it,whereas a non believer just accepts it as natural and something beyond his control.



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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #13 - December 03, 2010, 12:41 PM

    To expand further on what's already been said..

    Look at history instead.

    Research the history of the idea of hell (and the devil.)
    Both youtube and google provide a large number of videos/essays to demonstrate how both ideas were:
    1) Rip off's of other localized beliefs, rolled into 1
    2) Often created from mis-represented verses in the Bible.


    To cut the story short:
    The Greeks mis-translated a meaningless verse in the O.T, threw in a few descriptions with prevalent ideas in Greek religions at the time (Hades especially), then exported it to the Mid-east where that f*cker Muhammad and his business team parroted it and expanded on the 'hell fire' idea...


    When you fully realize how false the idea of hell is, you'll realize your question doesn't exist.
  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #14 - December 03, 2010, 05:25 PM

    none taken,

    seeing the shit religion and middle eastern culture threw at me all these years i found the answers to a lot of stupid questions myself. but sitting among muslims hearing talk of people on their death bed is very disturbing, as much as i do not agree with what they say, i had to ask people of knowledge as any scientific study on the matter would keep my mind at rest, regardless how stupid the question may seem.


    Ohhh. I see where you are going. Sorry if I sounded like a jerk Cry

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    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #15 - December 03, 2010, 11:27 PM

    a few actually turn to a Kafir on their death bed, as at the time experiencing death "iblis" comes to you promising to keep you alive if you apostate...and the dying, saving themselves of the inflicted pain actually apostate right before their death.

    Most likely they were apostates for whom it was finally safe to come out upon their death.

    Or Muslims who were able to recognize Islam isn't reality.

    Obviously, for believers to ignore it, they had to invent a story.


    God is not great:

    in a muslim country, seeing intelligent,educated people make these claims make you question,the stories of the common folk are even worse!


    yeezevee,  thank you.

    I can see why intelligent, educated people would believe it.

    People don't have much to go on when it comes to death.

    Due to this, those myths cause childlike fascination and belief in grown men.

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #16 - December 04, 2010, 01:45 AM

    I Quit..  I have had TWO NDEs (near death experiences) once when I
    was a "heathen" (I was 13 and really didn't know what to believe) and
    the second time, I was AGAIN a heathen, and at a native american
    ceremony.  NEITHER time did I have a "religious" experience, good
    OR bad, but rather, had some extremely pleasant experiences in
    both cases.  No pain at all, and actually, had no real desire to
    struggle at all, the experiences were so amazingly beautiful.

    Maybe not a scientific explanation, but I have had personal experiences
    TWICE, and know without a doubt, the death process was VERY
    comfortable and a very easy transition.  I don't know if the psyche
    does that to ease the transaction, but I have no real fear of death
    any longer

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #17 - December 04, 2010, 03:22 AM

    Funny how Ahmad Deedat did not have such an easy passing away, considering his work for the deen


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN-_20sjHVI&feature=related



    It is also ironic to note that the video was uploaded by a Christian and is an example of one religious bigot gloating over the death of another.  So just skip to 1:10 to avoid the holybook quotations.

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #18 - December 04, 2010, 05:18 AM

    i want to know why he was howling after that guy told him that.

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #19 - December 04, 2010, 09:19 AM

    but sitting among muslims hearing talk of people on their death bed is very disturbing


    It is deeply disturbing. It is almost psychotic, to think about the actual process and moment of death of 'the kuffars'. Its morbid, its creepy, its sadistic, its warped. What is just as disturbing is how it frightens people into submission. It  sounds like the reasoning of a death cult.

    It also shows how easily the differentiation between Muslim / non Muslim that Islam asserts is crippling to the minds of many Muslims. It also shows how non Muslims can be viewed as lesser humans, worthy of suffering at point of death. This is utterly sadistic and cruel and prejudiced.


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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #20 - December 04, 2010, 10:24 AM

    And it's amazing how many people, who should know better, believe this shit!



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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #21 - December 04, 2010, 10:36 AM

    I have had TWO NDEs (near death experiences) once when I
    was a "heathen" (I was 13 and really didn't know what to believe) and
    the second time, I was AGAIN a heathen, and at a native american
    ceremony.

    Forgive my curiosity, but how did you almost die during a native american ceremony?

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #22 - December 04, 2010, 01:51 PM

    ^ Heat stroke if I remember correctly
  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #23 - December 04, 2010, 01:57 PM

    thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. the middle east is a terrible and unhealthy place for an enquiring mind.  

    cool canadian cheers  

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #24 - December 04, 2010, 02:11 PM

    Forgive my curiosity, but how did you almost die during a native american ceremony?


    princey is right.  I had heat stroke.  It was 100 degrees or so, I went for a walk in the
    prairie to do some soul searching.  I had left xianity and some dear friends of mine
    invited me to Sundance to see if I could find God there, or at least some peace of
    mind. 

    Why did Deedat howl when he heard that guy talking, thats what I want to know LOL
    The impression I got was he was thinking how bad he had fucked up.

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #25 - December 04, 2010, 02:25 PM

    We all live with this fear of death. Its a natural phenomenon. Fear of the unknown. Fears are like our nightmares. If we allow it to control our lives, then it becomes a real nightmare for us. What we must do is to face this nightmare and come to terms with it. Do not allow it to hunt you. In Islam they use a lot of this element of fear. Fear of everything... even with their own shadow. You see how sad and pathetic
    they have become. How can you call it peace when you are living in a constant fear. Even to do their worshiping they are doing it out of fear and expecting rewards from heaven. How can you call it honesty?

    But lets us ask ourselves this question : why talk about death when we still have not fully understand our living. We are still struggling to live happily in this earth. You see the problem here. We are either living in the past, or in the future. We are not living in the present. The present is here... today, right before you. Why can't we try to see it and experience it. Why ask about death, when we should be asking : I am here today, and this is what I have become. What can I do today to make this journey of mine more enjoyable and meaningful.

    To me death is but like a journey we have to take. For a person who is adventurous, death is like any other journey, and are not afraid of it. I know its easier said than done.... as a hospice nurse, I have to go through with them.. right from the day they are diagnose with the disease till the day of their last breath. This is what I've learn.... In Hospice we talk about quality of life, about acceptance and  preparing for the eventual. We guide the patient to go through all the  stages, until he/she comes to the stage where he/she able to say is: I  am ready to go.

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #26 - December 04, 2010, 02:34 PM

    so has science shown us any  difference between the death of a muslim and a non muslim?


    Is the worms that eats up the flesh of the dead in the muslim cemetery different from that of the non muslim? If you were to collect all the bones from the muslim cemetary and mix them up with the non muslim, would you see any different? If you burn the body of the muslim together with the non muslim will the ashes be any different?

    They say Nature is part of Allah creation. If you look at nature, does nature makes any distinction between a muslim and a non muslim. When nature strike does SHE give favor to the muslim. NO! When SHE kills, she kill all regardless of whom and what you are. Look at Banda Acheh during the Tsunami, the whole town wipe out and SHE left the body all over. Do you think nature say :Oh this is a  muslim town as such I should make sure the body is properly position or cover up. NO! What better example can we show that The creator don't give a bloody damn weather you worship HIM/HER/IT. The creator will continue to create, to kill and destroy. Because that is how things are.

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #27 - December 04, 2010, 02:46 PM

    Nuru.  I spent 2 1/2 days with my father as he lay dying in a hospice care.
    I was very aware of how the staff interacted with the other patients in varying
    degrees of illness.  An experience I won't soon forget.  My father passed in
    my arms and I rang for the nurses, and was there when they called the time.
    They asked me to leave the room for a bit, and I had to come back and get
    my things, one of the nurses went to the window, opened it, and told me,
    "this is what we do to let their soul go free".  It was a beautiful ritual on so
    many levels.  And no doubt, I wondered how they dealt with the dying and
    death on a daily basis.  Hats off to you, as your path is not one just anyone
    can walk!  

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #28 - December 05, 2010, 10:41 AM

    princey is right.  I had heat stroke.  It was 100 degrees or so, I went for a walk in the
    prairie to do some soul searching.  I had left xianity and some dear friends of mine
    invited me to Sundance to see if I could find God there, or at least some peace of
    mind. 

    oh ^_^
    hot sunny days are my enemy!

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  • Re: Death: A kafirs versus a muslim
     Reply #29 - December 05, 2010, 11:38 PM

    Surely you are passing through the trauma of apostasy. I would say, avoid religious debates at all cost, specially because you are in middle east.  There is no good that can come out if you start telling the truth to people around your who spent 40+ years of life believing in this bull shit. But if you want, you can give some food of thought to younger audiences around you.

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