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  • Muhammad was not a perfect man
     OP - February 20, 2011, 04:33 PM

    Hi all,

    Since muslim apologists always have an answer prepared for the standard attacks through unethical hadith (Banu Qurayza for example), I thought it'd be handy to have more subtle arguments pointing out Muhammad's flaws.
    By flaws I mean acts or sayings by him that contradict with the image that muslims sketch of him: an honest, decent man who does no harm (countered by the hadith where he strucks Aisha on her chest, Muslim 4:2127), adheres to Allah's rules in the same way his followers do, without privileges (we know this isn't true [Quran 33:50 "...a privilege for you only, not for the rest of the believers"], yet muslims have argued this several times), etc...

    Marry four wives maximum, and only if you think you can treat them equally
    Quran 4:3 "And if ye fear that ye will not deal fairly by the orphans, marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess. Thus it is more likely that ye will not do injustice."

    As stated above he already doesn't adhere to the limit of four wives.
    It doesn't explicitly say one has to love his wives equally, but you definitely should treat them equally.

    Muhammad did not treat his wives equally as shown in the following hadith

    Bukhari 7:62:22 (same is repeated in 7:62:89)

    Narrated Anas:

    The Prophet stayed for three days between Khaibar and Medina, and there he consummated his marriage to Safiyya bint Huyai. I invited the Muslims to the wedding banquet in which neither meat nor bread was offered. He ordered for leather dining-sheets to be spread, and dates, dried yoghurt and butter were laid on it, and that was the Prophet's wedding banquet. The Muslims wondered, "Is she (Saffiyya) considered as his wife or his slave girl?" Then they said, "If he orders her to veil herself, she will be one of the mothers of the Believers; but if he does not order her to veil herself, she will be a slave girl. So when the Prophet proceeded from there, he spared her a space behind him (on his she-camel) and put a screening veil between her and the people.

    The fact that the absence of meat and bread is narrated gives the impression this was strange
    By contrast, his wedding with Zainab did provide bread and meat (you don't have to read it all, just put it there for completion)

    Muslim 8:3328

    Anas (Allah be pleased with him) reported: I was sitting behind Abu Talha on the Day of Khaibar and my feet touched the foot of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and we came (to the people of Khaibar) when the sun had risen and they had driven out their cattle, and had themselves come out with their axes, large baskets and hatchets, and they said: (Here come) Muhammad and the army. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Khaibar is ruined. Verily when we get down in the valley of a people, evil is the morning of the warned ones (al-Qur'an, xxxvii. 177). Allah, the Majestic and the Glorious, defeated them (the inhabitants of Khaibar), and there fell to the lot of Dihya a beautiful girl, and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) got her in exchange of seven heads, and then entrusted her to Umm Sulaim so that she might embellish her and prepare her (for marriage) with him. He (the narrator) said: He had been under the impression that he had said that so that she might spend her period of 'Iddah in her (Umm Sulaim's) house. (The woman) was Safiyya daughter of Huyayy. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) arranged the wedding feast consisting of dates, cheese, and refined butter, and pits were dug and tiers were set in them dining cloths, and there was brought cheese and refined butter, and these were placed there. And the people ate to their fill, and they said: We do not know whether he (the Holy Prophet) had married her (as a free woman), or as a slave woman. They said: If he (the Holy Prophet) would make her wear the veil, then she would be a (free married) woman, and if he would not make her wear the veil, then she should be a slave woman. When he intended to ride, he made her wear the veil and she sat on the hind part of the camel; so they came to know that he had married her. As they approached Medina, Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) drove (his ride) quickly and so we did. 'Adba' (the name of Allah's Apostle's camel) stumbled and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) fell down and she (Radrat Safiyya: also fell down. He (the Holy Prophet) stood up and covered her. woman looked towards her and said: May Allah keep away the Jewess! He (the narrator) said: I said: Aba Hamza, did Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) really fall down? He said: Yes, by Allah, he in fact fell down. Anas said: I also saw the wedding feast of Zainab, and he (the Holy Prophet) served bread and meat to the people, and made them eat to their heart's content, and he (the Holy Prophet) sent me to call people, and as he was free (from the ceremony) he stood up and I followed him. Two persons were left and they were busy in talking and did not get out (of the apartment). He (the Holy Prophet) then proceeded towards (the apartments of) his wives. He greeted with as-Salamu 'alaikum to every one of them and said: Members of the household, how are you? They said: Messenger of Allah, we are in good state 'How do you find your family? He would say: In good state. When he was free from (this work of exchanging greetings) he came back, and I also came back along with him. And as he reached the door, (he found) that the two men were still busy in talking. And when they saw him having returned, they stood up and went out; and by Allah! I do not know whether I had informed him, or there was a revelation to him (to the affect) that they had gone. He (the Holy Prophet) then came back and I also returned along with him, and as he put his step on the threshold of his door he hung a curtain between me and him, and (it was on this occasion) that Allah revealed this verse: (" O you who believe), do not enter the houses of the Prophet unless permission is given to 'you" (xxxiii. 53).


    Finally, the next hadith shows that the women were divided in two groups (why?) and some of them were jealous of Aisha receiving all the gifts from the companions, as they thought she was loved the most by Muhammad. As stated above, maybe the love doesn't have to be equal, but when they asked him to intervene, so the others would also get presents, he did nothing. Instead, he said that he says he only gets revelations from Allah in Aisha's bed...

    Bukhari 3:47:755

    Narrated 'Urwa from 'Aisha:

    The wives of Allah's Apostle were in two groups. One group consisted of 'Aisha, Hafsa, Safiyya and Sauda; and the other group consisted of Um Salama and the other wives of Allah's Apostle. The Muslims knew that Allah's Apostle loved 'Aisha, so if any of them had a gift and wished to give to Allah's Apostle, he would delay it, till Allah's Apostle had come to 'Aisha's home and then he would send his gift to Allah's Apostle in her home. The group of Um Salama discussed the matter together and decided that Um Salama should request Allah's Apostle to tell the people to send their gifts to him in whatever wife's house he was. Um Salama told Allah's Apostle of what they had said, but he did not reply. Then they (those wives) asked Um Salama about it. She said, "He did not say anything to me." They asked her to talk to him again. She talked to him again when she met him on her day, but he gave no reply. When they asked her, she replied that he had given no reply. They said to her, "Talk to him till he gives you a reply." When it was her turn, she talked to him again. He then said to her, "Do not hurt me regarding Aisha, as the Divine Inspirations do not come to me on any of the beds except that of Aisha." On that Um Salama said, "I repent to Allah for hurting you." Then the group of Um Salama called Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Apostle and sent her to Allah's Apostle to say to him, "Your wives request to treat them and the daughter of Abu Bakr on equal terms." Then Fatima conveyed the message to him. The Prophet said, "O my daughter! Don't you love whom I love?" She replied in the affirmative and returned and told them of the situation. They requested her to go to him again but she refused. They then sent Zainab bint Jahsh who went to him and used harsh words saying, "Your wives request you to treat them and the daughter of Ibn Abu Quhafa on equal terms." On that she raised her voice and abused 'Aisha to her face so much so that Allah's Apostle looked at 'Aisha to see whether she would retort. 'Aisha started replying to Zainab till she silenced her. The Prophet then looked at 'Aisha and said, "She is really the daughter of Abu Bakr."

    Also what's up with the ending? Why didn't he stop Zainab from hitting Aisha? And did he resolve the gifts problem?
    In Safiyya's case, one could argue that the meal was not as good as with Zainab because they were returning from Khaybar to Medina, but this then begs the question: why didn't he wait until they got to Medina to have a proper wedding that's equal to the others?

    I couldn't find anything on the other slaves' weddings.

    If you have more subtle contradictions as these, please post them here.

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  • Re: Muhammad was not a perfect man
     Reply #1 - February 20, 2011, 05:40 PM

    Theres plenty on superstition aswell.

    Off the top of my head:

    -Those who eat 7 dates will not be affected by poision (or the devil or something)
    -Cover pots,pans and spoons at nightfall because the devil gets in them
    -If you over sleep, satan has urinated in your ears
    -Plenty about magic
    -Jew magic and voodoo on Muhammad
    -stepping into the bathroom with your left (?) foot
    -Using an odd number of stones for wiping your backside

    This guy was a kook, plain and simple.
  • Re: Muhammad was not a perfect man
     Reply #2 - February 20, 2011, 06:17 PM

    Muhammad went partying too:

    From Seerah:

    Once Prophet wanted to attend a party, he went to Makka and as soon as he heard his music he fell asleep. Woke up when party was over, next day he wanted to go again, same thing happened.

    http://maniacmuslim.com/forums/index.php?/topic/21452-life-of-muhammad-pbuh-makkan-period/

    Lol party fail  Cheesy
  • Re: Muhammad was not a perfect man
     Reply #3 - February 20, 2011, 06:27 PM

    That reminds me of the hadith about when Muhammed tried crack cocaine.

    Bukhari 9:31:

    ''Cocaine is a hell of a drug.''


    Sadaq allahu'll azeem.
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